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Hello from soul surfer
« on: 18/01/2006 20:34:23 »
I've been on this forum for a couple of months now and am beginning to get the measure of it.  I find it interesting and plan to be around regularly for some time.  I am happy to help people out with anything that I can, and willing to explore solidly based new ideas but I won't treat trolls or loonies gently.  Genuine humour is another thing but us scientists must be a bit careful when we crack jokes to ensure that some less well educated types don't take them literally and run off with completely the wrong idea.

You can find a lot more about me by looking at my profile and web pages.

As a retired physicist and engineer it worries me some of the things that we get from younger people about the quality of their science teaching.  OK on pages like this some of it may just be a wind up but I have other verified examples of the physical sciences being taught by very poorly equipped teachers.  I think that it would be much better if quality video based instruction and simple labwork was supported by controlled ask a scientist websites like this.

If anyone wants to talk openly with me please post to this topic otherwise if you send me an email make sure that you identify the naked scientist site in your header or I might chop it unread as spam.

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Re: Hello from soul surfer
« Reply #1 on: 26/02/2006 18:56:46 »

Hi, Soul Surfer.
May be you can help me understand the dilema between MOND and Dark Matter, i know
that MOND requires a modification of Newtons second law, (by adding a constant)and
Dark Matter requires a new particle (wimp)or some other.
It seems to me if MOND is correct then a much more fundamental change in physics is
needed.

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« Reply #2 on: 26/02/2006 20:49:07 »
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Originally posted by Soul Surfer

As a retired physicist and engineer it worries me some of the things that we get from younger people about the quality of their science teaching.  OK on pages like this some of it may just be a wind up but I have other verified examples of the physical sciences being taught by very poorly equipped teachers.  I think that it would be much better if quality video based instruction and simple labwork was supported by controlled ask a scientist websites like this.




Video based instruction can be a bit limiting, although to be fair, the OU did fairly well doing just that, but it was teaching adults, adults who chose to learn, and not children who are forced to learn.

The problem with science (well, its the problem with all knowledge) is that you can take a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.

For most children for those who don't come from a family that are intimately involved in science (which normally means that they are professional scientists or engineers), science is something that is left at the school gate, and is a childish thing that is taught to children, and has no meaning in the adult world around them.

I think one of the things sites like this can do is promote science as something for ordinary adults, and not something that merely happens inside the school gates, or in specialised science labs.  If science becomes something the child can talk about just as much at home as in school, then it becomes something that is a part of life, not merely something one is forced to do at school.



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Re: Hello from soul surfer
« Reply #3 on: 01/03/2006 15:26:09 »
George - I totally agree; but I think there is a lot of validity in what Ian said. A lot of teachers, not just science teachers, are poorly trained. I too have been surprised at some of the posts here, genuinely made by people who have been taught wrongly (1 that springs to mind was about gravity holding an atom together).
There are also many teachers who simply don't make their subject interesting; and if the pupils aren't interested, they don't learn. I clearly remember dreading maths classes in the 3rd year at school because my teacher was so dreary. A 1-hour maths period seemed to drag on all day and I don't think anyone learned very much. Thankfully I had a different teacher the next year who was genuinely excited about maths and his enthusiasm rubbed off on us.
Videos can be a great way to spark interest as they can include things school labs just aren't equipped to demonstrate. Plus some of the FX that be generated really bring certain points home. I watched that series on TV, "The Elegant Universe". The FX in that explained things in ways no stand-up teacher or textbook ever could.
Another point in favour of videos is that the content can be controlled so that false "facts" are not taught. But, of course, there would have to be a properly-qualified teacher on hand to answer questions.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 01/03/2006 15:29:27 »
P.S. Let's have a Naked Scientist TV series! (right, that's my grovel for today over & done with) :D
 

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Re: Hello from soul surfer
« Reply #5 on: 26/03/2006 00:20:08 »
Sorry It's taken me so long to get back to this topic.

Wolram  sticking MOND and dark matter into Google produces quite a lot of useful references but here's a quick review

It has been known for many years that the rotation of galaxies appears to be anomalous it is as if there was much more gravitating matter in them than can be seen as stars or dust.  sticking to standard dynamics this unaccounted for matter has been called "dark matter"

Cosmologists would also be happier if there was more matter in the universe than can be accounted for in normal matter because it would "balance the books in their favourite theories.

However there is an alternative theory  MOdified Newtonian Dynamics  (MOND)  which suggests that whenfre fall accelerations in orbits fall below a certain value   (about 10^-8 cm/sec^2) something goes wrong with normal gravity that it appears to fall off more slowly with distance than it did before and therefore it is not necessary to postulste the existence of dark matter.

Either way it is clear that there is something that we are missing but the hot money is on dark matter at the moment. personally I se no rreason why it might not even be a bit of both!

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Re: Hello from soul surfer
« Reply #6 on: 24/08/2006 00:46:01 »
quote:
Originally posted by Soul Surfer

I am happy to help people out with anything that I can, and willing to explore solidly based new ideas but I won't treat trolls or loonies gently.  
As a retired physicist and engineer it worries me some of the things that we get from younger people about the quality of their science teaching.  OK on pages like this some of it may just be a wind up but I have other verified examples of the physical sciences being taught by very poorly equipped teachers.  I think that it would be much better if quality video based instruction and simple labwork was supported by controlled ask a scientist websites like this.

If anyone wants to talk openly with me please post to this topic otherwise if you send me an email make sure that you identify the naked scientist site in your header or I might chop it unread as spam.

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evolution rules in all things
God says so!


Soul surfer, i hope u can help in this regards, i just concluded HND programme is Physics Electronics, its my strong, insatiable will to further but so many bottlenecks...........your advice could chang e the whole story

lets keep trying the untried since the birth of science innovations have been like  toy but their impacts have rocked the world
 

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Re: Hello from soul surfer
« Reply #7 on: 24/08/2006 00:46:01 »
quote:
Originally posted by Soul Surfer

I am happy to help people out with anything that I can, and willing to explore solidly based new ideas but I won't treat trolls or loonies gently.  
As a retired physicist and engineer it worries me some of the things that we get from younger people about the quality of their science teaching.  OK on pages like this some of it may just be a wind up but I have other verified examples of the physical sciences being taught by very poorly equipped teachers.  I think that it would be much better if quality video based instruction and simple labwork was supported by controlled ask a scientist websites like this.

If anyone wants to talk openly with me please post to this topic otherwise if you send me an email make sure that you identify the naked scientist site in your header or I might chop it unread as spam.

Learn, create, test and tell
evolution rules in all things
God says so!


Soul surfer, i hope u can help in this regards, i just concluded HND programme is Physics Electronics, its my strong, insatiable will to further but so many bottlenecks...........your advice could chang e the whole story

lets keep trying the untried since the birth of science innovations have been like  toy but their impacts have rocked the world
 

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Re: Hello from soul surfer
« Reply #8 on: 25/08/2006 00:17:24 »
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P.S. Let's have a Naked Scientist TV series! (right, that's my grovel for today over & done with)

As you mention it... If you live in east anglia, you will be able to see Chris on the local BBC TV doing an experiment, and there should be doing some live stuff from the BA festival in Norwich (4-8th Sep), and there will be some films of some experiments appearing on a BBC website probably during the festival, so you will be able to see my ugly mug. ;)
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Re: Hello from soul surfer
« Reply #9 on: 24/08/2006 00:46:01 »
quote:
Originally posted by Soul Surfer

I am happy to help people out with anything that I can, and willing to explore solidly based new ideas but I won't treat trolls or loonies gently.  
As a retired physicist and engineer it worries me some of the things that we get from younger people about the quality of their science teaching.  OK on pages like this some of it may just be a wind up but I have other verified examples of the physical sciences being taught by very poorly equipped teachers.  I think that it would be much better if quality video based instruction and simple labwork was supported by controlled ask a scientist websites like this.

If anyone wants to talk openly with me please post to this topic otherwise if you send me an email make sure that you identify the naked scientist site in your header or I might chop it unread as spam.

Learn, create, test and tell
evolution rules in all things
God says so!


Soul surfer, i hope u can help in this regards, i just concluded HND programme is Physics Electronics, its my strong, insatiable will to further but so many bottlenecks...........your advice could chang e the whole story

lets keep trying the untried since the birth of science innovations have been like  toy but their impacts have rocked the world
 

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Re: Hello from soul surfer
« Reply #10 on: 25/08/2006 00:17:24 »
quote:
P.S. Let's have a Naked Scientist TV series! (right, that's my grovel for today over & done with)

As you mention it... If you live in east anglia, you will be able to see Chris on the local BBC TV doing an experiment, and there should be doing some live stuff from the BA festival in Norwich (4-8th Sep), and there will be some films of some experiments appearing on a BBC website probably during the festival, so you will be able to see my ugly mug. ;)
« Last Edit: 25/08/2006 00:18:16 by daveshorts »
 

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