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#### socratus

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##### About Reference Systems: Vacuum and Space.
« on: 19/01/2006 18:31:36 »
About Reference Systems: Vacuum and Space.
From times of Newton in classical physics the principle worked:
" Until the reference system is specified, any conversations on movement
are completely deprived the contents."
Newton, first of all physicists realized, what a main role a reference system has.
The choice of reference system is a central, basic question at the commencement of any task
But the founders of the “Big Bang” theory have forgotten this.
Nowhere do they write in what reference system the "Big Bang" took place,
and in what reference system the substance of the "single point " is distributed.
And consequently, the theory of the "Big Bang" is constructed on a sand.
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The astronomers have established the fact of galaxy rotation
but nobody speaks of the reference system in which they rotate.
Without the inclusion of a reference system the rotation of galaxies
is deprived of any content. To avoid this problem, write:
Each Galaxy is surrounded by an "accompanying reference system",
and the "accompanying reference system" is extended.
/ The Physics of Space. is a small Soviet encyclopedia published in 1986./
This is a joke!
For example, I am at home and I am surrounded by an "accompanying reference system";
my house. Then I go to work surrounded by an "accompanying reference system";
And when I have arrived on the job, I am surrounded by an
"accompanying reference system", the university.
But if we do not understand that we work in the reference system of the Earth,
and the astronomers do not understand in what reference system
the billions of galaxies rotate, any statement is meaningless.
Only when the reference system is specified, then the words "galaxies rotate"
and "Big Bang" make sense.
The first problem in the discussion of the laws of motion is to answer the question,
"In what reference system does this motion occur?
In what reference system are the laws of motion formulated?"
This question is most unpleasant for the amateurs in abstract reasoning and conjecture.
God teaches man to think particularly and logically.
The Devil teaches man to speak with beautiful, general and abstract phrases.
By such method he easily hides the truth from the people.
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The main paradox in physics is not understanding reference systems.
Einstein and Infeld wrote:
“We have the laws, but are not aware what the body of reference system they belong to,
and all our physical construction appears erected on sand”.
They are right. The essence is that now there is no precise border
which divides two different frame of reference:
1) System of Vacuum and
2) Gravitational frame of reference.
Now these two systems are considered as though they were common.
But they are completely different systems.
There, where there is a vacuum - there is no gravitation.
In the vacuum, one set of laws - the laws of the vacuum work
( not taking into account external influences).
Where there is gravitation, there is no vacuum.
In a gravitational reference system
a complete set of other laws apply.
These laws are connected and take into account external influences.
How these two systems cooperate between themselves is explained on the following site.
http://www.socratus.com
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Best regards.
Socratus.

#### socratus

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##### Re: About Reference Systems: Vacuum and Space.
« Reply #1 on: 19/01/2006 18:34:57 »
The Structure of Nothing . According to my peasant logic: 1 + 1 = 2.
Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, all matter
(all elementary particles and all quarks and
their girlfriends- antiparticles and antiquarks,
all kinds of waves: electromagnetic, gravitational,
muons… gluons field ….. etc.) – was assembled in a “single point”.
It is interesting to think about what had surrounded the “single point”.
EMPTINESS- NOTHING….???
Ok!
But why does everyone speak about EMPTINESS- NOTHING in
common phrases rather than in specific, concrete terms?
I wonder why nobody has written down this EMPTINESS- NOTHING in
the form of a physical formula ? You see, every schoolboy knows that
is possible to express the EMPTINESS- NOTHING condition
by the formula  T=0K.
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Once there was a “Big Bang”.
But in what space had the Big Bang taken place
and in what space was the matter of the Big Bang distributed?
Not in  T=0K?
It is clear, that there is only EMPTINESS, NOTHING, in  T=0K.
Now consider that the Universe, as an absolute frame of reference is
in a condition  of  T = 2,7K  (rests in relic radiation of the Big Bang ).
But, the relic radiation is extended and in the future will change and decrease.
What temperature can this radiation reach?
Not  T=0K?
Hence, if we go into the past or into the present or into the future,
we can not escape from EMPTINESS- NOTHING .
Everyone knows about the “singular point”, but nobody knows that it is
EMPTINESS- NOTHING! To understand it, it is necessary to ask a question:
What geometric and physical parameters can particles have in  T=0K?
Can they have a volume?
No.
Then they must have the geometrical form of a flat circle: C/D =pi= 3,14.
But what these particles do ?
Nothing.
They are in a condition of rest: h = 0. So, maybe they are dead?
In order to answer of this question, it is necessary to more clearly understand
EMPTINESS- NOTHING.
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Has this EMPTINESS- NOTHING a border? No! It has no borders.
EMPTINESS- NOTHING is indefinite. Let's identify it by the formula: T=0K = #8734;
And what about time in the EMPTINESS- NOTHING ?
Independent time is absent.
Time in EMPTINESS- NOTHING is indissolubly merged with infinite space.
Stop!
But you see, such space is described by Einstein in Special Relativity Theory.
In SRT, space also has a negative characteristic and there also,
time is indissolubly merged with space.
Only in SRT, this EMPTINESS- NOTHING has another name:
Negative four-dimensional (Minkowski) space.
Then it is possible to conclude that SRT describes the behaviour
of the circle-particles in T=0K.
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In agreement with SRT, these circle-particles can be in two conditions of movement:
To fly rectilinearly with a speed of  c =1.
In this kind of movement , it is named a “quantum of light”, ”photon”.
2) To rotate around its own diameter and then its form and
physical parameters will change according to the Lorentz transformation.
In this kind of movement, it is named the “electron”.
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But what is the reason for the movement of circle-particles?
In the EMPTINESS- NOTHING, nothing can influence the condition of rest.
Quantum theory gives the answer to this question.
1)      The rectilinear movement of the circle-particles depends
on Planck's spin :h = 1.
2) The rotary movement of the circle-particles depends on the spin
of Goudsmit-Uhlenbeck: #295; = h  / 2pi.
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Very strange particles surround the "singular point ".
These circle-particles can be in three conditions:
1) h = 0 ,
2) h = 1,
3) ) #295; = h  / 2pi
And they can independently decide what action to take.
So it can work only with particles  that have their own consciousness,
which is not static but can develop.
The development of consciousness scale goes " from vague wishes up to a clear thought ".

#### socratus

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##### Re: About Reference Systems: Vacuum and Space.
« Reply #2 on: 19/01/2006 18:37:05 »
Infinity: a symbol or reality.
1. Everyone knows, that absolute temperature T=0K cannot be reached.
We can only indefinitely come nearer to her.
2. Everyone knows, that nobody can reach
absolute speed of quantum of light  c=1.
We can only indefinitely come nearer to her.
3. But everyone also knows, that only quantum of light goes with
absolute speed  c=1.
It is the fact, it is a reality.
Question: Unless can this absolute movement  c=1 occur in  relative reference frame ?
The absolute movement can occur only in absolute frame of reference.
But only one absolute  frame of reference is known  T=0K
(which  is impossible to reach).
And only in her quantum of light can move with the absolute speed  c=1.
And it is also reality.
But what can tell quantum of light about his travel in the parallel world?

#### Soul Surfer

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##### Re: About Reference Systems: Vacuum and Space.
« Reply #3 on: 20/01/2006 09:15:10 »
That's a lot of rabbit!  You seem to have forgotton the meaning of relativity.  Things are relative.  Try to learn a bit about vector calculus (you don't need to go as far as tensors)  The rotation of a galaxy can be inferred without reference to anything else but the relative velocities of the stars and gas clods form which it is composed.

In general atronomers do not have the full information because with one or two exceptions the only velocities that they can measure acurartely using doppler spectrometry are radial velocities.  They tend to inferr the rest from the application of the virial theorem which describes how gravitating fluids stabilise their energy between potential and kinetic energy.

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God says so!

#### socratus

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##### Re: About Reference Systems: Vacuum and Space.
« Reply #4 on: 28/01/2006 14:18:12 »
Many of physics consider, that: " the Physics is first of all Vacuum. "
P. Dirac wrote:
" Òhe problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion,
is the basic problem worth now before  physics.
Really, if you can’t correctly describe vacuum,
how is it possible to expect for the correct  description anything more complex? ".
It is completely correct.
In Vacuum physics have groped true and the
condition of infinite / eternal Vacuum  characterized
with one simple physical parameter T=0K.
The philosophy of science begins from T=0K .
The physics begins from  T=0K.
The religion begins from T=0K .
The origin of Existence begins from T=0K .

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##### Re: About Reference Systems: Vacuum and Space.
« Reply #4 on: 28/01/2006 14:18:12 »