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What cancer therapies are available?
« on: 23/09/2010 09:36:16 »
Science has grown so much and is growing is there any medicine found for cancer?

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Re: What cancer therapies are available?
« Reply #1 on: 23/09/2010 10:41:00 »
Wow - spamming a genome sequencing service.  Bit scary that a scientific company couldn't think up a better question too!
 

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Re: What cancer therapies are available?
« Reply #2 on: 24/09/2010 05:26:16 »
In Northern NSW Aust a fellow diagnosed with cancer defied science and his doctors by drinking a brew of pawpaw leaves. He is still living today.

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Gold Coast based resident Stan Sheldon has for years claimed the abilities of Papaya leaves in curing cancer. A cancer survivor himself, he told the Gold Coast Bulletin how ingestion of Paw Paw leaves from the papaya tree led to a full recovery when all hope was lost.
http://www.ozcarguide.com/health/health-a-z/cancer/2361-papaya-benefits-cancer-cure
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« Reply #3 on: 25/09/2010 01:28:45 »
hmmm one anecdote with no other information does not a cure make.

I don't doubt that there are 'beneficial' elements in papaya.. but I am always very wary of multi claims like cures cancer and helps with quick weight loss (so does cancer) improves skin quality, hair loss prevention and (I love the note at the bottom)  - Additionally, papaya has been found to be especially beneficial for women looking to enhance their breast size. A common misconception is that it would have the same effect for men, OZCAR is happy to know that this isn't one of the side effects of papaya.


 

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Re: What cancer therapies are available?
« Reply #4 on: 25/09/2010 06:54:57 »
ScienceDaily (Sep. 8, 1997)
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The studies show that the pawpaw compounds not only are effective in killing tumors that have proven resistant to anti-cancer agents, but also seem to have a special affinity for such resistant cells.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/09/970908043817.htm

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Over 100 scientific papers have been published concerning the biochemistry of pawpaw substances, including significant positive results of in vitro anti-cancer studies. Most importantly, an informal and unpublished clinical trial involving 94 cancer patients, undertaken by Dr James Forsythe of the Reno Cancer Screening and Treatment Center in Nevada, showed that a significant number of terminal patients responded positively to treatment with pawpaw extract. A selection of ten positive case studies demonstrate that pawpaw extract reduced tumour markers and tumour sizes, as well as increasing longevity.

 
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Papaya leaf juice is claimed to have reversed cancer in many people living on the Gold Coast
in Australia. Harold W. Tietze in his book Papaya The Medicine Tree, describes how to make .....the Gold Coast Bulletin.
“PawPaw Cancer Plea Bears Fruit". Gold coast gardeners have responded to an appeal by
cancer victims desperate to find supplies of pawpaw leaves. And the Gold Coast man who,
14 years ago, first exposed the leaves as a possible cure for cancer has been tracked down
to a Labrador (Gold Coast) nursing home. The story of how Stan Sheldon cured himself of
cancer by drinking the boiled extract of pawpaw leaves was first told in the Gold Coast
Bulletin in 1978.

Now research in the United States has given scientific support to his claim, isolating a
chemical compound in the pawpaw tree which is reported to be a million times stronger than
the strongest anti-cancer drug. Mr Sheldon, says the discovery does not surprise him..... The recipe is as follows:
Wash and partly dry several medium-size papaya leaves. Cut them up like cabbage and
place them in a saucepan with 2 quarts/ litres of water. Bring the water and leaves to the boil
and simmer without a lid until the water is reduced by half.
Strain the liquid and bottle in glass containers.
The concentrate will keep in the refrigerator for three to four days. If it becomes cloudy, it
should be discarded.

The recommended dosage in the original recipe is 3 Tablespoons/ 50ml three times a day. It
is recommended to read Papaya The Medicine Tree for the interesting stories of "incurable”
people who have used this extract to beat their cancer, and for other medicinal uses of
papaya
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9882730/Papaya-Leaf-Cure

http://www.cancerevolution.info/index.php?/cancer-therapy/Cell-energy-limitation-therapy/graviola-paw-paw-and-acetogenenins-containing-plants.html

Radium weed is used to eliminate skin cancer
The Queensland Institute of Medical Research has found a natural plant-based gel known as PEP-005 that can reduce and eradicate sunspots after two days.

Dr Jim Aylward discovered the enzyme in the plant known as the radium weed.

"My mother had been keeping a weed growing for years, and she knew that it had great effects against skin cancer," he said.

Institute spokesman Dr Peter Parsons says scientists are now looking at using the enzyme to treat a variety of cancers.

These come from natural products that we can grow and use but still science insists on manufacturing pills.
Cancer = $$

This team has developed a new anti-cancer drug derived from the sap of a plant called Euphorbia peplus  or radium weed in Australia. In human clinical trials the drug has been very effective in the treatment of skin cancer, one of the most common forms of cancer.

http://www.ausbiotech.org/UserFiles/File/AusBio-Magazine_March2007.pdf
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Re: What cancer therapies are available?
« Reply #5 on: 25/09/2010 09:18:10 »
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These come from natural products that we can grow and use but still science insists on manufacturing pills.
Cancer = $$   

No science insists on verifiable replication, if the natural products work, they will/would be researched, trialled and made into an effective
medicine. That is what science is, taking something that might work, seeing if it does work and making it into a medicine whether that is from a plant or an already known compound is irrelevant.
I for one am heartily sick of the claim that scientists are not interested in natural cures because we are driven by money.
There is no 'cure' for any cancer as yet, all we can do at best is to enable the patient to live cancer-free for as long as possible and hope it does not return. It is my personal feeling that eventually cancer will become like HIV, people live with it much longer than previously, but there is no cure.
Pharmaceutical companies may have a lot to answer for, but they are not a charity, they will only fund research that is beneficial and has some hope of improvement, they are a business and will not fund research that they feel they will lose money, that is just common sense.

If there was any solid proof, in terms of research that a plant or fruit had any verifiable affects on cancer, the research would be snapped up and funded.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 25/09/2010 11:31:58 »
Actually, there are cures for some forms of cancer. Surgery is an obvious one, but drugs like cisplatin can destroy some cancers completely.
 

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« Reply #7 on: 25/09/2010 13:13:03 »
Actually, there are cures for some forms of cancer. Surgery is an obvious one, but drugs like cisplatin can destroy some cancers completely.

Yes but it is not a certainty the cancer will not return, that is what I would define as a cure, when we can be certain something will not return. Hence living with cancer, or living with the possibility it might return is the best we can do at present.
 

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« Reply #8 on: 25/09/2010 15:28:26 »
I understand that if the cancer hasn't returned after 5 years it's generally considered to be gone for good i.e. cured.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 25/09/2010 16:38:31 »
I understand that if the cancer hasn't returned after 5 years it's generally considered to be gone for good i.e. cured.

That is a benchmark when the cancer is considered to be in full remission, but most consultants wont talk about it in terms of a cure because it is so unpredictable in nature.
Plus if something is a cure, it should work for a particular cancer in all or very vast majority of people, however it is just not like that.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 26/09/2010 10:21:05 »
Surgery generally works for the great majority of people, (provided that you can cut out all the cancer of course).

What's the difference between remission and cure? If the cancer doesn't come back then it doesn't come back.
If someone get's athletes foot, then dunks their feet in a fungicide and the infection goes away but they get the same disease again later (from another changing room floor or whatever) was that temporary remission or the cure failing or what?

It's going to be a matter of definition.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 26/09/2010 11:55:02 »
Surgery is a prime example, if you can get all the cancer ad surrounding cancerous tissue, but it is impossible to tell if you have got all the cancerous cells, which is why surgery is often combined with chemotherapy. But again it depends on the type of cancer and where it is located.
Cancer is a combination of genetic mutations, the circumstances that caused that set of mutations may still be present inside the body, it may be controlled by the usual routes or it may lead to cancer again. There are so many factors involved because it is the body itself, it cannot be compared to the invasion of a pathogen, like Athlete's foot.
Most people reading this forum will have mutations in cells in their body, but they are dealt with by the body through *various routes and so cancer does not develop, that does not mean those safety measures will not fail in the future. If it does develop, and is successfully treated, and does not return for some years, that does not mean the genetic mutations are still not present in cell lineage and those safety measures will not fail again. A 'cure' is a tenuous term when it comes to cancer because it relies on the body's mechanisms as much as it does drug therapy.

*denotes this is a very complex issue so I have not gone into great reams of detail that a full explanation would require.And I would be in dager of boring the pants off people....  :)
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« Reply #12 on: 26/09/2010 22:06:04 »
Actually, there are cures for some forms of cancer. Surgery is an obvious one, but drugs like cisplatin can destroy some cancers completely.

Yes but it is not a certainty the cancer will not return, that is what I would define as a cure, when we can be certain something will not return. Hence living with cancer, or living with the possibility it might return is the best we can do at present.
A drug has been made available for ovarian cancer and administered to all females who want to participate under the age of 25 yrs for free. or was this just a trial?
 

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« Reply #13 on: 26/09/2010 22:18:16 »
Scientifically proven that Pawpaw compound is effective in 'killing' tumors. also proof from non scientific volunteers who has taken the boiled leaf remedy after science/doctors gave them the death sentence. Most still alive today living without cancer.

Yes but it is not a certainty the cancer will not return, that is what I would define as a cure, when we can be certain something will not return. Hence living with cancer, or living with the possibility it might return is the best we can do at present.

Radium weed is used extensively here in its natural form, due to being the region on earth with most skin cancer disease. It cures it, it does not return, I can personally assure you that. why would we want to synthesise, manufacture or commercialise the weed?
 

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« Reply #14 on: 26/09/2010 22:40:20 »
Cancer is a combination of genetic mutations, the circumstances that caused that set of mutations may still be present inside the body, it may be controlled by the usual routes or it may lead to cancer again. There are so many factors involved because it is the body itself,

We all may carry genetics or DNA associated with cancer but never get it. It is our lifestyle, the food we eat, the place we live, etc. What science should be concerned with is finding the initiator of mutations caused to our genes and control that, which sounds more feasible to me, probably less commercially profitable though.


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Natural Chemical From Sea Sponges Induces Death In Cancer Cells Via Unusual Pathway

ScienceDaily (Aug. 29, 2008) — A chemical called candidaspongiolide (CAN) inhibits protein synthesis but also kills cancer cells by triggering caspase 12-dependent programmed cell death, according to an article in the Aug. 26 online issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080827223119.htm
Also on this site other cancer killing treatments mentioned

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Scientists Create New Process to 'Program' Cancer Cell Death. ScienceDaily (Sep. 8, 2010)
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« Reply #15 on: 27/09/2010 09:25:40 »
Actually, there are cures for some forms of cancer. Surgery is an obvious one, but drugs like cisplatin can destroy some cancers completely.



Yes but it is not a certainty the cancer will not return, that is what I would define as a cure, when we can be certain something will not return. Hence living with cancer, or living with the possibility it might return is the best we can do at present.
A drug has been made available for ovarian cancer and administered to all females who want to participate under the age of 25 yrs for free. or was this just a trial?


I have not seen that drug, but I doubt it came with a 100% cure.
 

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« Reply #16 on: 27/09/2010 09:29:39 »
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We all may carry genetics or DNA associated with cancer but never get it. It is our lifestyle, the food we eat, the place we live, etc. What science should be concerned with is finding the initiator of mutations caused to our genes and control that, which sounds more feasible to me, probably less commercially profitable though.

 

Er....we already do! That is what a lot of the research funding goes into. Problem is what happens in vitro is not always what happens in vivo.
The mutations are so complex, and peoples biochemistry is so variable, it is like unravelling a large ball of wool with a JCB!
 

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« Reply #17 on: 27/09/2010 09:32:56 »
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Radium weed is used extensively here in its natural form, due to being the region on earth with most skin cancer disease. It cures it, it does not return, I can personally assure you that. why would we want to synthesise, manufacture or commercialise the weed?
 

To extract the active compound and analyse it's effect, thus possibly opening up the chance of it being effective against other types of cancer, and to ensure people get the correct dosage to maximise their chances of recovery.
And how do you know it does not return? Skin cancer does not restrict itself to the skin.
 

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« Reply #18 on: 28/09/2010 22:44:20 »
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for research.
A drug has been made available for ovarian cancer and administered to all females who want to participate under the age of 25 yrs for free. or was this just a trial?

I have not seen that drug, but I doubt it came with a 100% cure.
My appology 'cervical cancer' not ovarian cancer. The injection was offered to all woman in Australia under 25yr old for Free.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/cancer-vaccine-not-before-2008-abbott/2006/11/10/1162661861926.html

I would hope that is had been proven to be 100% effective but it came with a warning that woman were not to stop having pap smears. Although I have known Australia to be the testing ground for various chemical, medical etc experiements, so if no other country has heard of this maybe Australians are just the 'test shop dummies' for this vaccine?!
 

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« Reply #19 on: 28/09/2010 22:50:29 »
Radium weed is applied direct to skin cancer. You pick the weed and place the white sap directly onto the effected area. In 2-3 days it is burned off. It's been used for years here and doctors will perscribe, by telling us to go pick it and how to use it.

I'm all for experiementing and reasearching just don't know why we have to bottle it.
 

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« Reply #20 on: 29/09/2010 02:51:32 »
I would hope that is had been proven to be 100% effective but it came with a warning that woman were not to stop having pap smears. Although I have known Australia to be the testing ground for various chemical, medical etc experiements, so if no other country has heard of this maybe Australians are just the 'test shop dummies' for this vaccine?!

This is also available in the US. I don't know much about it, but I seem to recall it's an immunization against a particular virus that can lead to cervical cancer.
 

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« Reply #21 on: 29/09/2010 06:10:54 »
yes difficult to find info on the vaccine, here's some
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cervical_cancer
 

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« Reply #22 on: 29/09/2010 06:31:10 »
Actually, there are cures for some forms of cancer. Surgery is an obvious one, but drugs like cisplatin can destroy some cancers completely.

I've just found info on cisplatin.

Is that's why paw paw is not known to cancer patients?
With Paw paw, instead of drug companies taking the royalties for the cancer treatment, we may have to give the royalties to the farmers to grow the fruit.....Then we would have to set security fences around the perimiter of the farm, then employ security guards to transport it to the factory where it can be bottled and perscribed by doctors bought from chemists.

Nearly all of the university’s royalty income comes from cisplatin and carboplatin, and nearly 20 percent of RCT revenues comes from the two drugs.2 Because of this monetary component to the lawsuit, many people—including officials at other universities having contracts with RCT,
 

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« Reply #23 on: 29/09/2010 07:03:37 »
Echochartreuse.
Do you know that there are at least two anti cancer drugs extracted from plants?
The pharmaceutical companies would be quite happy to make money from paw paw in the same way they make it from yew trees and the Madagascar periwinkle.

Also, there are other reasons for establishing what the active ingredient is. Of course, it helps get the dose right and that's always a good thing.
It also means they can develop derivatives with better efficiency and fewer side effects.
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« Reply #24 on: 30/09/2010 01:43:05 »
I know that there are more than two componants of natural plants that is used in manufacturing drugs and it is apparent you do too.

I'm all for researching these componants but not for engineering the plants change prior to or at all before we fully understand all the plants componants and how they effect us.
Not to the extent of distroying these plants through environment mismanagement, corporate greed etc only to promote the manufactured, processed version able to be synthisised from knowing and studying the natural componants.

Quote from:  author London, Jan 20 (ANI): In a breakthrough study, MIT researchers have successfully engineered plants to produce entirely compounds that can be used as drugs against cancer.

The researchers have genetically altered plants into create chemicals they do not naturally make. The plant-produced compounds include molecules similar to cancer drugs................According to O”Connor, the resulting alkaloids vary only slightly from the compounds the periwinkle makes naturally, but such tweaks could prove useful for improving medicines that plants already make.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/madagascar-periwinkle-engineered-to-produce-anti-cancer-compound_100144659.html


Note the words 'similar' and 'vary only slightly' (above)

Science has the key componant in plants to treat cancer but finds a need to be able to manufacture it.

 

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