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« Reply #25 on: 21/10/2010 06:54:59 »
Eric,
Please make up your mind what you are saying.
Did you mean this
"organic compounds dissolve readily in water making it an organic solvent."
or "I'm not saying that water is organic"
or this
"Water is called the "universal solvent" "?

It's no wonder you are not sure I'm a chemist- you don't seem sure what you are on about.

Though, since none of them is true you should be putting these ideas forward in "new theories" or not at all.
 

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Is liquid methane an organic solvent?
« Reply #26 on: 21/10/2010 08:52:44 »
I wish you would stop this endless pointless bickering.  It is my understanding that for life we need both organic materials and water and the ability to make membranes between fats and liquid water.  This would appear to be impossible at low temperatures because the water would freeze so the possibility of life at these temperatures looks remote.  However the presence of other materials dissolved in water can greatly reduce its freezing point (notably ammonia)band the containment in an environment with pressure in small drops reduce it further so there appears to be a remote possibility of a low temperature carbon/water based complex chemistry.  This could use a different liquid (gas) with a small amount of dissolved water as a majority fluidising matrix.  It is very remote but Isn't that a bit more interesting than arguing about terminology?
 

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« Reply #27 on: 21/10/2010 12:56:07 »
Ian, what you say is correct, anyway people shoud try to be more precise or they could, for example, make the mistake of considering water as "able to dissolve everything" just because it's poetically termed "universal solvent" in some non-university book.
 

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« Reply #28 on: 21/10/2010 16:29:02 »
Talking about non-geo/non-anthropocentric notions of life; it's possible to envisage some form of life that does not use water as such a mainstay of existence (very very difficult) but I would say possible to imagine in broadbrush strokes if not in detail.  But can anyone get an idea of life within solids - is that just another intellectual leap of imagination required or is it impossible?  And what about a purely gaseous environment - is there any chance of enough molecules being in proximity long enough to form the complexity of life?
 

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« Reply #29 on: 21/10/2010 19:24:26 »
It's not the discussion of the meaning of words that's pointless. It's the whole thread. It's based on a couple of ideas that are simply wrong.
 

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« Reply #30 on: 21/10/2010 23:33:51 »
Maybe the thread should have been placed under  New Theories or Cells and Microbes & viruses or Just Chat

Methane Eating Bacteria Found in Icy Arctic Water

Hydrocarbon-Eating Microbes Mean Oil Was An Ancient Energy

If Bacteria is a form of life and it exists here why not there. Hypothetical speaking...
Intellegent life, as in intellectual, on Titan may be stretching thing a bit far...

The word solvent is a bit over the top.
A Liguid flow is most common, used as a Vehicle of transport, to aid in supporting life.
« Last Edit: 22/10/2010 00:12:54 by maffsolo »
 

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« Reply #31 on: 22/10/2010 05:26:48 »
Maybe the thread should have been placed under  New Theories

You only had to ask.
 

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« Reply #32 on: 22/10/2010 18:14:05 »
Maybe the thread should have been placed under New Theories

You only had to ask.

I did not realize it sooner, nor I thought is was my place, I just only suggested.
The inspiration came with the last Post prior.
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