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Re: God real or not
« Reply #225 on: 29/06/2006 17:58:08 »
You may ask, to which Gecko has referred you to 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' (but then, I believe that you only got a second rate version on film in the USA, not the original radio broadcasts, so you may be excused for not knowing about this cult icon).

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The Babel fish is a fictional species of fish in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams, who describes it like this:
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The Babel fish is small, yellow and leechlike, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy received not from its own carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.





I was never myself a great fan of HG2G, but it is such a cult series in this country that it is difficult not to be familiar with some of its characters and ideas (I hesitate to use the word plot, because that is something is lacks to any great degree).

AltaVista named their automated language translator (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) babelfish after the fish in HG2G.



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Re: God real or not
« Reply #226 on: 30/06/2006 15:28:14 »
so its mythical or not real so that is not proof of god at all

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« Reply #227 on: 30/06/2006 16:29:28 »
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ok it has come to my attention that there r certain...uhhh....writings that were in the original Bible were cut out as the Church deemed them "un worthy of the bible" things that the Church wouldn't like 2 mention any1 have ideas what these writongs could be????



The Bible has been rewritten several times, and still continues to regularly be revised (something that does not happen with the Koran, nor with the Old Testament Bible used by the Jews), but this does not normally remove whole sections of the Bible, it merely carefully substitutes for words and phrases which are seen as anachronistic, irrelevant, or maybe even uncomfortable for the more modern Church.

The very early Bible, at the birth of Christianity, is another matter.  At that time, neither the Jews nor the Christians had an authoritative compilation of the books that would later form the Bible.  There was a general body of folk tales and religious stores, and many books in circulation, in many different versions.  With the diaspora of the Jews (and later with the Christian underground movement) there was a fear that these collections of religious and folk stories would be lost, so there was an attempt to create a compilation of the major known works.  Clearly, they could not include everything, so much had to be left out.  Clearly, they wanted to created a cohesive body of work, so anything that did not fit into that model would be excluded from the final work.  Bear in mind that the early bible was not designed as an academic work, but something that would be read by any Jew or Christian, and so needed the simplicity of a Hollywood movie (it looks more complicated to us because it was written for an alien world), and so all of the nuances and contrary opinions were removed, just as they are removed from  Hollywood movie, but just as Hollywood movies still leave contradictions within their plot line (so long as they don't get in the way of the main story), so too this remained with the Bible.

The bigger problem then arose when different branches of Christianity started using different versions of the Bible.  It was not that The Church left out some sections, but that different branches of the Church included different sections, and so which version of the Bible you read identified you as 'one of us' or 'one of them'.  It is a little like which day of the week one regards as the Sabbath (the Bible does not actually say which is the Sabbath, but Christians, Jews, and Muslims have each chosen different days of the week).  During the period of the Inquisition in Spain, taking Saturday as your Sabbath was a very dangerous thing to be seen to be doing, as it labelled you as a Jew; and so too, reading the wrong version of the Bible would label you as the wrong kind of Christian.



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Re: God real or not
« Reply #228 on: 29/06/2006 15:20:23 »
um may i ask what the heck a Babel fish is?

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« Reply #229 on: 29/06/2006 17:58:08 »
You may ask, to which Gecko has referred you to 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' (but then, I believe that you only got a second rate version on film in the USA, not the original radio broadcasts, so you may be excused for not knowing about this cult icon).

.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babel_fish
quote:

The Babel fish is a fictional species of fish in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams, who describes it like this:
quote:

The Babel fish is small, yellow and leechlike, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy received not from its own carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.





I was never myself a great fan of HG2G, but it is such a cult series in this country that it is difficult not to be familiar with some of its characters and ideas (I hesitate to use the word plot, because that is something is lacks to any great degree).

AltaVista named their automated language translator (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) babelfish after the fish in HG2G.



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Re: God real or not
« Reply #230 on: 30/06/2006 15:28:14 »
so its mythical or not real so that is not proof of god at all

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« Reply #231 on: 30/06/2006 16:29:28 »
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ok it has come to my attention that there r certain...uhhh....writings that were in the original Bible were cut out as the Church deemed them "un worthy of the bible" things that the Church wouldn't like 2 mention any1 have ideas what these writongs could be????



The Bible has been rewritten several times, and still continues to regularly be revised (something that does not happen with the Koran, nor with the Old Testament Bible used by the Jews), but this does not normally remove whole sections of the Bible, it merely carefully substitutes for words and phrases which are seen as anachronistic, irrelevant, or maybe even uncomfortable for the more modern Church.

The very early Bible, at the birth of Christianity, is another matter.  At that time, neither the Jews nor the Christians had an authoritative compilation of the books that would later form the Bible.  There was a general body of folk tales and religious stores, and many books in circulation, in many different versions.  With the diaspora of the Jews (and later with the Christian underground movement) there was a fear that these collections of religious and folk stories would be lost, so there was an attempt to create a compilation of the major known works.  Clearly, they could not include everything, so much had to be left out.  Clearly, they wanted to created a cohesive body of work, so anything that did not fit into that model would be excluded from the final work.  Bear in mind that the early bible was not designed as an academic work, but something that would be read by any Jew or Christian, and so needed the simplicity of a Hollywood movie (it looks more complicated to us because it was written for an alien world), and so all of the nuances and contrary opinions were removed, just as they are removed from  Hollywood movie, but just as Hollywood movies still leave contradictions within their plot line (so long as they don't get in the way of the main story), so too this remained with the Bible.

The bigger problem then arose when different branches of Christianity started using different versions of the Bible.  It was not that The Church left out some sections, but that different branches of the Church included different sections, and so which version of the Bible you read identified you as 'one of us' or 'one of them'.  It is a little like which day of the week one regards as the Sabbath (the Bible does not actually say which is the Sabbath, but Christians, Jews, and Muslims have each chosen different days of the week).  During the period of the Inquisition in Spain, taking Saturday as your Sabbath was a very dangerous thing to be seen to be doing, as it labelled you as a Jew; and so too, reading the wrong version of the Bible would label you as the wrong kind of Christian.



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Re: God real or not
« Reply #232 on: 07/07/2006 04:38:35 »
they should of had left it as it waz


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« Reply #233 on: 07/07/2006 14:30:35 »
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they should of had left it as it waz



As it 'waz' when?

The Christians themselves inherited the Old Testament from the Jews, who inherited many of the stories from pre-Jewish traditions.  You might well have to be reading some of your Bible in cuneiform script, in the old Mesopotamian languages, and maybe some from Egyptian Hieroglyphs, and many other scripts and languages.

Once Christianity was accepted as the official religion of the Roman Empire, then the Bible was all converted to Latin and Greek (not sure which is the older version, since after the fission of Catholic and Orthodox Churches, the west used the Latin Bible, and the East used the Greek Bible)..

The question about whether the Bible should remain in Latin, or be translated into the vernacular, so that ordinary people could read it in their own languages, was one of the major issues that split the Church church in the late middle ages, leading to the reformation.

One of the criticisms some people have of the Koran is that it is in Arabic, which may be fine for those people for whom Arabic is their first language, but it limits the ability of people who do not speak Arabic as a native language to fully understand it.  The counter argument ofcourse is that since the Koran remains in its original language, it has not been subject to the distortion of translation (although, ofcourse, the Koran inherited much of its material from the Bible, and so there is a translation step there, just as the Bible had its own translations from the pre-biblical stories that it inherited).



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Re: God real or not
« Reply #234 on: 07/07/2006 22:30:36 »
yes az it waz!!! *sticking toungue out*

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Re: God real or not
« Reply #235 on: 25/07/2006 06:32:48 »
 How can you just [be] and then create off of your self? "god created all"...how?
 

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Re: God real or not
« Reply #236 on: 27/07/2006 05:15:45 »
how did god get created???

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Re: God real or not
« Reply #237 on: 27/07/2006 18:18:44 »
he didnt
 

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« Reply #238 on: 28/07/2006 05:32:41 »
then how did god come to be??

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Re: God real or not
« Reply #239 on: 29/07/2006 03:02:18 »
he didnt
 

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« Reply #240 on: 29/07/2006 19:05:49 »
if he didn't then how can he "be" ???? if he was never created or never came to be then how did he get anywhere???

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« Reply #241 on: 29/07/2006 20:30:56 »
What Gecko I think is saying is that there is no God, and therefore the issue of how he was created does not arise.

Perfectly valid argument, since there is no way of proving the existence of a God, one cannot argue conclusively against His supposed non-existence.



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« Reply #242 on: 27/07/2006 05:15:45 »
how did god get created???

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« Reply #243 on: 27/07/2006 18:18:44 »
he didnt
 

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« Reply #244 on: 28/07/2006 05:32:41 »
then how did god come to be??

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« Reply #245 on: 29/07/2006 03:02:18 »
he didnt
 

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« Reply #246 on: 29/07/2006 19:05:49 »
if he didn't then how can he "be" ???? if he was never created or never came to be then how did he get anywhere???

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« Reply #247 on: 29/07/2006 20:30:56 »
What Gecko I think is saying is that there is no God, and therefore the issue of how he was created does not arise.

Perfectly valid argument, since there is no way of proving the existence of a God, one cannot argue conclusively against His supposed non-existence.



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« Reply #248 on: 31/07/2006 14:56:34 »
we will find out soon as u would know if watch the news. they say the israli bible is unfolding be4 our eyes

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Re: God real or not
« Reply #249 on: 03/08/2006 06:05:04 »
At the moment no evidence for god exists. One thing is true though religion does exist and it's insipid.
 

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