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Offline tony6789

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« Reply #475 on: 04/05/2007 16:35:51 »
yea i agree
 

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« Reply #476 on: 04/05/2007 17:00:55 »
How much is the "Church" worth?

Some say The Vatican is worth 1 billion (euros), some say 5, but the real total value sold at an auction, say, would probably be a multiple of that last number. Highest I've heard is close to 50 billion, Holy See + Vatican City.

Ofcourse, that's only the Roman Catholic Church, them poor, poor beggars. Other numbers of other faiths are much harder to obtain, because of a lack of a big central organisation like the RCC has.
 

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« Reply #477 on: 04/05/2007 19:09:12 »
How much is the "Church" worth?

Some say The Vatican is worth 1 billion (euros), some say 5, but the real total value sold at an auction, say, would probably be a multiple of that last number. Highest I've heard is close to 50 billion, Holy See + Vatican City.

Ofcourse, that's only the Roman Catholic Church, them poor, poor beggars. Other numbers of other faiths are much harder to obtain, because of a lack of a big central organisation like the RCC has.


5 euros or 5 million euros?
 

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« Reply #478 on: 04/05/2007 20:23:58 »
All numbers are billions, although some reports use dollars, so it's only roughly equivalence with euros. But not lire or zloty, in any case. :)

You have to add up quite a few separate not-so-impressive cashflows together though and take all the assets artwork/real estate into consideration as well, especially that last one's an enormous figure alone. Now that's all 'priceless' and valued at 1$, like. Token value.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061201175736AAx89Vt
http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Europe/Vatican.html
 

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« Reply #479 on: 04/05/2007 22:14:39 »
The Vatican is one of the most opulent places on the planet. It is probably priceless. No one could ever buy it.
 

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« Reply #480 on: 05/05/2007 02:16:27 »
Think that's very relative - a lot of the Church's gold came from Latin-America, and in a lot of cases was formerly representing totally different religious embellishments/artforms, equally priceless. Melting pots and greedy people care very little about such things. :P
 

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« Reply #481 on: 07/05/2007 16:45:11 »
Umm, sure.
 

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« Reply #482 on: 07/05/2007 17:44:11 »
lol.
 

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« Reply #483 on: 09/05/2007 16:29:14 »
WHat? No one knows what to say all of a sudden?
 

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« Reply #484 on: 11/05/2007 18:42:15 »
Science & Philosophy. Religion & Physics.  XXIc.
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The laws of physics and mathematics in the different countries
of the world  are  identical, but religions - different.
 Why?
Because the religion is not proved with the laws
of physics and mathematics.
Question:
Is it possible to unite the laws of physics with religion?
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Yes. It is possible.
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The time, when concepts: “religion, god, spirit” are possible
to explain with the formulas, equations and laws of physics, has come.
 In my book and on a site I approve that it is possible.
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The secret of words 'God', 'soul ', 'religion', ‘ Existence’,
'dualism of consciousness', 'human being'  hide
 in the “Theory of Light quanta”.
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   http://www.socratus.com
 

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« Reply #485 on: 11/05/2007 19:29:55 »
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Is it possible to unite the laws of physics with religion?
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Yes. It is possible.

Why bother trying?

If you don't believe in the latter then it has no relevance to the former.
 

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« Reply #486 on: 14/05/2007 16:26:21 »
if u try then u can finally know the truth
 

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« Reply #487 on: 14/05/2007 16:33:11 »
Anyone else think socratus is smoking way too much crack?
 

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« Reply #488 on: 14/05/2007 16:36:02 »
Anyone else think socratus is smoking way too much crack?

No...why would anyone think that? Because he thinks it's possible for the God, to exist?

Or because he thinks science and religon can be joined?
 

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« Reply #489 on: 14/05/2007 16:46:12 »
No because he thinks he has done it.
 

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« Reply #490 on: 14/05/2007 16:50:26 »
Joined religon and science? Impossible. Need proof? See how long this religous post has grown on a science site? Everyone's made up their mind on what they beileve and have good reasons, but so does the other side and neither are giving ground.
 

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« Reply #491 on: 14/05/2007 16:54:43 »
You act like they both have equal footing in reality.
 

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« Reply #492 on: 14/05/2007 18:09:35 »
Both science and religion are true.

(For a given value of 'true').
 

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« Reply #493 on: 15/05/2007 13:22:18 »
God's truer then any science thats for sure.
 

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« Reply #494 on: 15/05/2007 13:38:26 »
God's truer then any science thats for sure.

Is this a fuzzy logic argument?

I did not think that most religions had a very high tolerance for fuzzy logic - they usually regarded as something being either true or false, and so one could not have degrees of being 'true'.
 

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« Reply #495 on: 15/05/2007 16:31:21 »
No, it's not a fuzzy logic arguement.
 

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« Reply #496 on: 15/05/2007 16:48:21 »
No, it's not a fuzzy logic arguement.

So how do you explain the notion that "God's truer then any science" - unless you regard science as false?

Either you regard science as false, or you regard both science and God as equally true, but to regard that science is not false, but is less true than religion, smacks of fuzzy logic to me?
 

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« Reply #497 on: 15/05/2007 16:52:53 »
Science is true...in some things.

But God's better at being less fuzzy in some topics.
 

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« Reply #498 on: 15/05/2007 17:50:29 »
Science is true...in some things.

But God's better at being less fuzzy in some topics.

But this just reiterates what batroost stated, that they are true (if so they be) in different domains; not that one is more or less true than the other.
 

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« Reply #499 on: 15/05/2007 18:20:20 »
well tony, that's where faith steps in... do you believe he is real?
 

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