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How "intelligent" are black holes?
« on: 18/02/2006 21:12:25 »
Some researchers are now stating that black holes may show a type of "intelligence"--see-

http://www.jlittlewood.com/discuss/read/nf_siegfried.htm

indicating a similarity between the human brain and a black hole.
Other scientists have outlined the possibility that black holes
could be the originators of new universes (Penrose and Hawkins) which would form new stars, planets and life forms and than, collapse into new black holes--a type of reproduction. One indication of this "intelligence" is the black hole's ability to maintain information on its horizon (Susskind and d'Hooft).
I was wondering just how "intelligent" are these black holes?  Is this "universe creating" event a chance, blind occurence or directed by this information system loacted on their horizon--a new type of cosmic intelligence?  


 

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Re: How "intelligent" are black holes?
« Reply #1 on: 19/02/2006 00:23:04 »
Where does all the material that goes into a black hole,end up, it must go somewhere

                                 

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Re: How "intelligent" are black holes?
« Reply #2 on: 19/02/2006 02:57:53 »
Arrhhhh but can you prove that anything actually goes in.

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Re: How "intelligent" are black holes?
« Reply #3 on: 19/02/2006 04:03:17 »
Whoa !..that's an interesting article DocN just trying to comprehend it is incredible.

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Re: How "intelligent" are black holes?
« Reply #4 on: 19/02/2006 04:42:14 »
I found that article somewhat reminiscent of Freud. He basically said that if you don't believe his theories, you must be in denial. That article seemed to imply that if you don't agree with it, that is merely because you are too narrow-minded...
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Therefore, scientists seeking E.T. should not shy away from proposals that seem absurd, like the idea of intelligent black holes.


I find that attitude rather offensive even though I do actually agree with some of what was said.
In particular, I agreed with their point about an advanced civilisation simply not bothering to contact us. Why should they? I would, though, add another aspect to that. Why are we so convinced that an alien civilisation would be using radio waves? They could be millions of years ahead of us and have discovered a method of transmission involving something akin to the sub-space transmissions in Star Trek. Radio waves may have been relegated to their dim and distant past, maybe even long-forgotten. Or possibly they would consider a race that still uses radio waves to be too primitive to concern themselves with.
However, the main crux of the article - that a black hole could be "intelligent" - I find, frankly, rather laughable. Simply storing the entire knowledge of an advanced race on the horizon of a black hole would not mean the black hole was intelligent or conscious. Almost the whole of human knowledge can be found on the internet. Would anyone consider the internet to be intelligent or conscious?

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One human cannot read another's mind, and no human can perceive a black hole's innards. So perhaps black holes have minds of their own, Lefebvre and Efremov speculate.


That quote from the article is a total absurdity. You may as well say that blackboards & blackholes are the same colour so maybe blackholes are blackboards.

 
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Equations describing the self-reflection of an intelligent being are similar to the math of thermodynamics that describes connected heat engines. The math of thermodynamics has also been shown to be useful in describing certain features of black holes


Again, the fact that 2 things have certain properties in common does not necessarily mean they are the same. Also, I'd be interested to see those equations (so long as I had a maths whizz to explain them to me). I can't see how conscious thought (self-reflection must be a conscious process) can be described mathematically when a) we can't even define consciousness, and b) no 2 people think alike. The only way I can conceive of it being done is if the equations are so general that they become meaningless.
 

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Re: How "intelligent" are black holes?
« Reply #5 on: 20/02/2006 01:56:56 »
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Arrhhhh but can you prove that anything actually goes in.

My missus said that last nite, what a coincidence.[:p]

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Re: How "intelligent" are black holes?
« Reply #6 on: 20/02/2006 19:12:39 »
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   I beleive that there is an intelligent behind the design of a Blackhole, as there is behign all heavinly bodies, BUT the blackhole is not intelligent.
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Re: How "intelligent" are black holes?
« Reply #7 on: 21/02/2006 00:05:43 »
Jordan has got a heavenly body, and she is as thick as sh%* !
 

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Re: How "intelligent" are black holes?
« Reply #8 on: 21/02/2006 00:29:22 »
Wow, what an intriguing piece of writing. Although I don't agree with anypart of that. It is a very interesting theory...
 

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Re: How "intelligent" are black holes?
« Reply #9 on: 21/02/2006 00:56:57 »
awwww cmon!tight butt, fab legs,and the hooters,welllll. not theory,FACT :D:D

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Re: How "intelligent" are black holes?
« Reply #10 on: 21/02/2006 01:28:29 »
Base, Ray, very base [}:)]
 

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Re: How "intelligent" are black holes?
« Reply #11 on: 21/02/2006 01:31:59 »
yes, just proves we are still evolving,im almost human !!!!
 

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Re: How "intelligent" are black holes?
« Reply #12 on: 21/02/2006 01:36:30 »
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Re: How "intelligent" are black holes?
« Reply #13 on: 21/02/2006 01:44:47 »
well i just dont know how to answer that.
i could be drawn in several directions,good,bad,rude,i will behave and shut up!!!;)

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