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Offline Don Kingsley

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What elements form Bose Einstein condesates?
« on: 08/02/2011 05:30:02 »
Don Kingsley  asked the Naked Scientists:
   
Why is rubidium used to produce the Bose Einstein condensate? Is it the only element that will work?

If so, why?

What do you think?
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Offline bardman

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What elements form Bose Einstein condesates?
« Reply #1 on: 17/02/2011 19:53:51 »
I have never heard of rubidium being a Bose Einstein condensate. I know for sure that Helium-4 forms a Bose Einstein condensate.

Only bosons will form Bose Einstein condensates and the spin interactions of the nucleons in Helium-4 produce a Boson when super-cooled. I will look into Rubidium to see if and why it works.
 

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What elements form Bose Einstein condesates?
« Reply #2 on: 17/02/2011 20:00:46 »
It seems that Rubidium also can be supercooled (to around 1.710−7 K which is minutely above absolute zero) to a state that is bosonic in nature. I'm not sure what other atoms can be supercooled into a boson, it has to do with how many neutrons and protons there are. These are both fermions which have a different spin than bosons and only form a boson due to the low thermal energy and the spin-spin interactions of the fermions.

For more information, look up Bose-Einstein condensates, bosons and fermions, and spin-spin interactions. Most of this could be found in a Thermal Physics book.
 

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Re: What elements form Bose Einstein condesates?
« Reply #3 on: 29/11/2013 21:54:14 »
First, BEC (Bose-Einstein Condensate) is a state of the matter, so all elements turn in to a BEC in his exclusive temperature and other conditions. Like water an alcohol have diferent booling points and helium 4 only get solid at high pressure and low temperature. My knoweldge is not enough to say if somebody has achived a bec with other materials, but i know certanily that the achivement of bec with rubidium, sodium and hydrogen is a reality.

bec video link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY6D2LjYKzw
 

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Re: What elements form Bose Einstein condesates?
« Reply #4 on: 01/12/2013 10:57:54 »
See a list of the elements used in successful demonstrations of BEC.

Helium 4 demonstrates some of the properties of a BEC, but as a liquid, the adjacent atoms interact too strongly, and the BEC is actually formed as a dilute solution in a Helium 4 liquid which is mostly not a BEC.

Systems with half-integer spin are called Fermions, and cannot form a BEC. However, if you cool them down significantly, the Fermions can pair up, effectively forming a Boson, which then can form a BEC.

So electrons in some materials can pair up to form a BEC, which becomes visible as superconductivity.

In some cases, the half-integer spin of the nucleus, combined with the half-integer spin of the outer electron allows the atom as a whole to have a zero overall spin, and a single atom can act as a boson.

It is thought that quarks can also form a condensate, under some conditions.
 

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