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#### Heikki Rinnemaa

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##### Nothing cannot born from zero.
« on: 24/02/2011 17:33:23 »
MoHei. :)

Mathematical issue,,,,

0=zero=nothing=pure matterless space

numbers means that something exist
1=one piece,,,or weight or length,,or speed,,etc,,means
that one existing has something,,,hmm,,,olemus,,,essence
- size
- form/shape
- weight,,hmm,,or matter particle amount

So all mathematical function is story of existing issue,,,story of something Is

So if we devide all universum matter to smallest particle,,, and start to look 1=one particle
- size
- form
- "weight",,weight is 0 if there is no any power-direction round of that particle

What i the life-time of that particle?

It cannot born from nothing,,,so it must be exist for ever,,,

How this particle can first live so that tomorrow is two particle,,where this other comes?

I take three particle and think that it is one atom,,,

Same questions,,,

What is the life who make this atom,,,?
How it born,,,?
What is the life-time of that atom,,,?

Mathematical question,,if all is only atoms,,,then why and how those particles made atoms,,,?,,,or cells,,,of us,,,if we are amount of atoms particles,,,?

Is our atom-theory telling us all,,,?

#### CliffordK

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##### Nothing cannot born from zero.
« Reply #1 on: 24/02/2011 21:56:00 »
I suppose your question is what came before the atom?

With Einstein's Theory, E=MC2, matter can be converted into energy, and energy can be converted to matter.

One of the big mysteries in our universe is that if energy is made out of hydrogen.  Then, why hasn't all of the hydrogen been consumed?

The Big Bang offers one explanation, giving the Universe a finite age.

But, perhaps there are other mechanisms in which matter can be recycled into hydrogen and other elementary particles.  For example, Plasma is considered the 4th state of matter where nuclei are dissociated from electrons.  However, perhaps there is a 5th state where atoms loose their identity under extreme pressures in a black hole.

When matter would be ejected from the black hole, it might be in the form of Hydrogen, and thus start the process over again.

#### imatfaal

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##### Nothing cannot born from zero.
« Reply #2 on: 25/02/2011 11:03:44 »
Cliff - to say that energy is made of Hydrogen is pushing mass/energy equivalence a little too far - mass can be converted to energy (a-bombs etc and many other examples) and energy to mass (idea behind whipping stuff round the lhc so quickly). All the hydrogen hasn't been converted to energy because the proton is incredibly stable (half life many magnitudes longer than life of universe so far).  A bigger question is why the anti-matter and matter didn't balance and annihilate completely.

BTW Hydrogen is not normally considered to be an elementary particle - sure it's an element, but we normally reserve the name elementary particle for those particles we don't have any understanding of their internal structure or make up (ie quarks, electrons, leptons, gauge bosons).

I am not sure if matter is ever ejected from a black hole, the black hole radiates hawking radiation; but I think they boil away like this rather than ejecting matter (I can't see how any matter could get away).  Soulsurfer is a bit of an expert on them - he would know

#### Heikki Rinnemaa

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##### Nothing cannot born from zero.
« Reply #3 on: 25/02/2011 17:00:01 »
Cliff,,i mean this,,,

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