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« on: 23/03/2011 05:56:35 »
Names in even such as a forum may be important for respect reasons so why did I choose this name I am not going to tell you the exact reason but rather tell another story.

My sister has what’s called an intellectual disability with some doctor recently diagnosing it with the creation of too much natural adrenalin. My brother in is younger days created his own self-help program if he had the same problem. And thus I was diagnosed with my problem, assuming all of this is true possibly my sister is more affected by it then us because she does not have the Y chromosome. Natural adrenalin may be altered in several forms by the Y chromosome into forms such as testosterone and other usable forms for men like steroids. The adrenalin levels could therefore be blamed on my Dad’s short temperament and thus fighting a lot.

We all have/had what could be explained as addictive personalities, my sister craves attention misbehaving and self-mutilation , my brother is somewhat now a ladies man, my dad was an on again off again alcoholic. As for me I get bored of my addictions and find another like WOW I played that constantly for about 2 years and in my youth I could have been classed as addicted gambler, I actually gave up smoking pot for obvious reasons but not given up the ciggies yet, I try to give up alcohol for long periods so I could be a cheap drunk. I gave up coffee for about 3 days recently and just slept sort of all day. A treatment plan for me could be as easy as changing medications every so often and chemically lobotomize different parts of my brain but this does not happen because the doctors only wish they could be mentally ill, but then they would not have become doctors. Being on the same drug all the time is creating “ground hog day” symptoms for my brain pattern. Having said all that am worried about my brother he has given up the drugs and was just wondering how long it will be before he does ones of the following: falls into a depression again or just says stuff it and get on the drugs again either of the situations happen result in the same thing an increase in anger and unstable predictability.

Maybe my next addiction could just be to get attention from the users of this forum, good or bad it does not matter, I have never really craved or wanted attention possibly this is what the internet is for. Keeping it as an alias is important to me but I do not know why?


 

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« Reply #1 on: 23/03/2011 20:29:16 »
"Natural adrenalin may be altered in several forms by the Y chromosome into forms such as testosterone "
Balderdash.
And the rest of your post isn't much better.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 24/03/2011 03:06:06 »
Names in even such as a forum may be important for respect reasons so why did I choose this name I am not going to tell you the exact reason but rather tell another story.

My sister has what’s called an intellectual disability with some doctor recently diagnosing it with the creation of too much natural adrenalin. My brother in is younger days created his own self-help program if he had the same problem. And thus I was diagnosed with my problem, assuming all of this is true possibly my sister is more affected by it then us because she does not have the Y chromosome. Natural adrenalin may be altered in several forms by the Y chromosome into forms such as testosterone and other usable forms for men like steroids. The adrenalin levels could therefore be blamed on my Dad’s short temperament and thus fighting a lot.

We all have/had what could be explained as addictive personalities, my sister craves attention misbehaving and self-mutilation , my brother is somewhat now a ladies man, my dad was an on again off again alcoholic. As for me I get bored of my addictions and find another like WOW I played that constantly for about 2 years and in my youth I could have been classed as addicted gambler, I actually gave up smoking pot for obvious reasons but not given up the ciggies yet, I try to give up alcohol for long periods so I could be a cheap drunk. I gave up coffee for about 3 days recently and just slept sort of all day. A treatment plan for me could be as easy as changing medications every so often and chemically lobotomize different parts of my brain but this does not happen because the doctors only wish they could be mentally ill, but then they would not have become doctors. Being on the same drug all the time is creating “ground hog day” symptoms for my brain pattern. Having said all that am worried about my brother he has given up the drugs and was just wondering how long it will be before he does ones of the following: falls into a depression again or just says stuff it and get on the drugs again either of the situations happen result in the same thing an increase in anger and unstable predictability.

Maybe my next addiction could just be to get attention from the users of this forum, good or bad it does not matter, I have never really craved or wanted attention possibly this is what the internet is for. Keeping it as an alias is important to me but I do not know why?


It depends what drug your brother has been taking, if it was an anti-depressant, the depression might not come back at all, some areas of thought with in the study of depression today believe that depreesion should not be medicated at all, and depression allowed to pass naturally.

If it was something else he was taking, some other drug for a different reason, then actually they can induce depression and cause a person to become depressed, which is why often people will be given muliple drugs, the anti-depressants counter-act the side effects of the main drug/drugs.

Everyone prescribed a mental health drugs should be working to the day they no longer need them, stoppping his meds is not a bad thing, I'd say just be a friend, and see how it goes.

 

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« Reply #3 on: 24/03/2011 04:20:52 »
Sorry i was very unclear about most of this but referring to the self help program of illegal drugs such as pot, then later concentrating on amphetamines. He, to me, seems to be very calculating when it come to such things as anger issues. he has been off drugs for along time now! i suppose what I'm asking could amphetamines cause long term severe mood swings?

I am going to try and focus just on my problem but was just giving examples of other family issues and how my life could have been different, would I have been better of to just been known as a recovering drug addict or even just someone with a short temper with violence records!
 

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« Reply #4 on: 24/03/2011 05:46:30 »
Sorry i was very unclear about most of this but referring to the self help program of illegal drugs such as pot, then later concentrating on amphetamines. He, to me, seems to be very calculating when it come to such things as anger issues. he has been off drugs for along time now! i suppose what I'm asking could amphetamines cause long term severe mood swings?

It's possible, I know of no studies involving long term users, yet I'm sure that has been studied by someone.




I am going to try and focus just on my problem but was just giving examples of other family issues and how my life could have been different, would I have been better of to just been known as a recovering drug addict or even just someone with a short temper with violence records!

I dont know that any perticular drug use, can actually be blamed for temper, it surely can have an effect but, generally I would have thought temper relates to other issues, talking about the things that upset you, would I think, be a better answer than hunting for an drug to blame from past drug use.
You mentioned alcohol, pot and adictive behaviour, why not go to an AA group? If they couldn't advise you directly they would probably know people that could.

Peace I hope you find what you are looking for.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 24/03/2011 20:26:18 »
"what I'm asking could amphetamines cause long term severe mood swings?"
Yes. Definitely.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulant_psychosis


And I agree with Wiybit about this idea "why not go to an AA group? If they couldn't advise you directly they would probably know people that could."
 

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« Reply #6 on: 24/03/2011 21:41:42 »
It is a very bad idea to go 'cold turkey' from a prescribed medication. What your brother needs to do is to keep taking them as prescribed, and if not feeling satisfied by their influence consult a alternative doctor to see if he agrees on the medication.

Depending on what it is your brother suffers from he might lose touch with reality if stopping like that, instead creating a personal hell for himself. I knew one guy that now lives the life of a homeless person, his sister and relatives constantly worried about him, not knowing where he is, and what his health is as he did just like your brother.

Tell him to get in touch with a new doctor instead and test if there are some better medication available. And yeah, care.
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Did you mean like 'self-medication'?
Like he smokes pot to stay 'calm'?

Not a good thing, although not that unusual. It's called a 'borderline' personality, and I would say he should find a doctor that he could trust and then listen to his advice. To 'self medicate' just prolongs the trouble. The best think is naturally to not need any medication at all, but? Life's not simple, there's a lot of things that can go wrong, not all of them self created so to speak. But he will need friends, and some good medical advice possibly. If that was what you meant?
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« Reply #7 on: 24/03/2011 21:50:22 »
It is a very bad idea to go 'cold turkey' from a prescribed medication. What your brother needs to do is to keep taking them as prescribed, and if not feeling satisfied by their influence consult a alternative doctor to see if he agrees on the medication.

Depending on what it is your brother suffers from he might lose touch with reality if stopping like that, instead creating a personal hell for himself. I knew one guy that now lives the life of a homeless person, his sister and relatives constantly worried about him, not knowing where he is, and what his health is as he did just like your brother.

Tell him to get in touch with a new doctor instead and test if there are some better medication available. And yeah, care.

Sorry to dis-agree, but indutry has been imposing on the medical profession for a long time now and people are often being over medicated, and in some instances do not need to be medicated at all, sadly for industry it's just about making money and has nothing to do with care for people.

He claims his brother has not been taking them for a while, and considering that neither of us actaully know what was wrong(if anything), with his brother, neither are really in a position to say anything, yet following the medical professions madate we "First do no harm" and all drugs have side effects at times worse than the things they claim to be countering.

Seek advice, but no one should be forced to take meds, although industry would love to be able to, lots of cash for them isnt it.     
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« Reply #8 on: 24/03/2011 22:05:30 »
Yes, in some cases it might be so.

But if you find someone (a doctor) that makes sense to you, that also advice you a certain medication based on the tests you made, blood samples etc, then it seems rather stupid not to listen, don't you agree? To go the other way is to invalidate all medical professions  :) And considering the time they spent studying, they should have some knowledge. But it depends, there's always the possibility of misdiagnosing, so if you are taking a medication, but isn't happy with its effects, you should consult another one, to get a independent opinion.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 25/03/2011 03:14:38 »
Yes, in some cases it might be so.

But if you find someone (a doctor) that makes sense to you, that also advice you a certain medication based on the tests you made, blood samples etc, then it seems rather stupid not to listen, don't you agree?

Sorry but over doctors do not do test on people to see if they are suited to the meds or not, rather they give them the pills then over a period of mounths and years see how they are doing.




To go the other way is to invalidate all medical professions  :) And considering the time they spent studying, they should have some knowledge. But it depends, there's always the possibility of misdiagnosing, so if you are taking a medication, but isn't happy with its effects, you should consult another one, to get a independent opinion.

Well you should seek secound/thrid oppinions if you feel the advice is wrong. As for invaildating the education of doctors, it's so much the doctors but the industry, they are leading the research, and often put profit first.

They also treat the symptoms, and often ignore the cause.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 25/03/2011 05:59:05 »
Thank you for the replies,

a difference of opinion good to see as for i have been doing a lot of thinking lately and done some more writing but as for the difference of opinion you might agree that more research need to be done on most of the subjects not sure wether to publish it all at once being that Bored Chemist first response made me think very carefully about how things are/were worded.

as for the AA thing i might give the meetings a miss but without creating another illness or anything but i can stop my some of my addictave problems calling it "too much of a good thing" creating boredom.don't challenge me to give up smoking cigarettes because i dint think i can at this point in time. thinking it it more of a dependency to me then an addiction.

so i was writing and thinking about the science way of doing things and am in the middle of developing a theory to a different way of dealing with these problems.the basics of it was to be able see the problem at hand, i had problems writing it because without explaining this that and the other, no-one i don't think could grasp the whole picture.

i did today create Urgent attention wanted by administrators ! it is just asking permission to create something or actually many threads and includes writing a sort of book, the books are meant to be like a distraction for the increasing "mental illness" waiting lists and frequency that seems to be happening but could have some scientific help with diagnoses Merritt if written properly! this not written there of course. should i post it?
 

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« Reply #11 on: 25/03/2011 07:21:53 »
i did today create Urgent attention wanted by administrators ! it is just asking permission to create something or actually many threads and includes writing a sort of book, the books are meant to be like a distraction for the increasing "mental illness" waiting lists and frequency that seems to be happening but could have some scientific help with diagnoses Merritt if written properly! this not written there of course. should i post it?

You could write your book (autobiography ?) and put a copy online, say in Google docs ...

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Upload your existing files.
Google Docs accepts most popular file formats, including DOC, XLS, ODT, ODS, RTF, CSV, PPT, etc. So go ahead and upload your existing files.
http://www.google.com/google-d-s/tour1.html

 and post a link to the book in forums ... http://www.google.com/google-d-s/tour4.html

Anyone who was interested could read or download a copy of the book via the link.
This saves you from attempting to publish a book in forums where this is not permitted, (and where your text could be deleted).

Readers of your book could then contact you with feedback via Gmail email, or via the forum where you posted the link.

If you feel writing and publishing such a document would be beneficial IMO don't use your real name in the book or Gmail details, (give everyone else in the book a pseudonym too).
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« Reply #12 on: 25/03/2011 08:32:24 »
Memory and Emotion
Hope this is a link if its not you will know that I'm a bit of a nub still at this internet but if its not a link it is a Psychology book from the books on this site!

i see forums as like a brainstorming thing! sorry in advance for posting to my last post it's not intentional to increase its popularity as ill post the idea here, my most advanced computer skill is copy paste. so after i post it comments on or like it's been done before are welcome.

as for the idea it might be like memory and emotion, never read the book but as for autobiography it's not as for it's creation it needs a forum.

hopefully it does not get deleted as it's not actually a book yet just a concept. further professional help will be needed if you like the idea and would like to help me start its writting styles and possibly it's own site.
 

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« Reply #13 on: 25/03/2011 08:40:05 »
I want to create subjects such as “is there an increase in hospital admittance on a full moon” going into statistical information to start with then if that comes off as a positive for stories to come out from as such as police as well as nurses so that people could develop their own theories. It could even lead into phobia discussions.

Taking increase in customers I would like you opinion to try and start books like “a guide into understanding what your feelings” “a guide to understanding your personality”. These plus others could actually help people. Written in a format as to which I may start off with an example. Part of my inspiration for these titles comes from a sociable outing at a poker game to which a nurse gave me “suicide and how to do it properly” a book title that should not be written in my opinion! The nurse in particular was not in connection on to say a working level the subject happened as to how two strangers start a conversation “what u do for a living” with me just sitting back listening.

Subject “inspirational equations” this subject is more like a ‘which come first debate or could one have not been created if the other was not’ the idea is just to get 2 things that mean something to you write them down with no further explanation so if I wrote the book of “Dr Jeckal and Mr Hyde” or “psychiatry’ no further explanation would be required. Now breaking my own rule, actually I won’t.

“When is psychosis psychosis” would be for “the well mentally ill” to write, creating a sort of psychological data base for practitioners to study. Some material could be transferred to the books. So this will need a trickery recruitment drive by as such chemists Dr’s who may be on this site already who deal with the ‘mentally ill’ written in the form of not so much as revenge but to get of your chest what may seem necessary at the time actions of which they can now explain as it could have been one or the other reasons according to them! And since this is a science site I’ll try call it a form of ‘behavioural study”.

“telepathy or coincidence” a subject to which I have done some work to, focusing on coincidence written as previously described above, telepathy being often referred to as a symptom. So now thinking back doctors seem to throw the term paranoia around a lot “tell us anything we will believe you” reaction is chemical brain discomfort thus creating what?

All these possible threads could have a common denominator but am unsure as to what it may be. Further thought is that it is a study creating a book(s) into a form to which people could self-analyse as to who they are and what makes them them, not just focusing on titles given or as some might say dwelling on the past but including theoretical guides as to “premature death, others you affect”

The underlying issue now is acceptance of these ideas as scientist’s write books so I don’t think this would be an issue with the probable issue being would it be classed as science?

I am asking for this, a topic of my own, Thinker Schizophrenic project book, a project started by him, written anonymously by many, current edition sceptical, an otherwise unfinishable project.

I would include such threads like” take the piss: out of project” such as the nurse previously mentioned and “what’s in a name?” to which is started as an opening statement of sentences.
 

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« Reply #14 on: 25/03/2011 20:22:59 »
“is there an increase in hospital admittance on a full moon”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_effect


“suicide and how to do it properly”

Giving people advice on how to top themselves is a criminal offence in the UK, (this is a UK based forum) ...
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Helping someone to kill themselves - known as assisted suicide - is a crime in Britain which carries a sentence of up to 14 years imprisonment.
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article718917.ece


“telepathy or coincidence”
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=38021.msg348357#msg348357


I am asking for this, a topic of my own, Thinker Schizophrenic project book, a project started by him, written anonymously by many

You could create a "blog" page rather than use Google docs as I suggested. There are many such blog page hosts ...

http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Have-Schizophrenia/5563

www.schizophrenic.com/blogs/blogs.php?uid=203
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« Reply #15 on: 25/03/2011 21:06:21 »
Thinker Schizophrenic seriously I think you should go and have a chat at an AA place they deal with addiction and not just alcohol, addiction is addiction.

If I recieve anything from your posts it's the impression that you wish to talk, and AA are all about that, while the internet is rather impersonal and more private, nothing is better than a conversation face to face with other people. I know you said you would give it a miss but seriuos we all have problems at times, it's nothing to be ashamed about, atleast go once and just listen, see what is it, then decide. But, you dont have to, I can only try and help you out as best I can from here, but as I said I seriously get the feeling you want to talk, and the internet is not such a great place to do that, it can be but it's too impersonal at the same time.

You have to decide for yourself, I certainly do not believe in forcing people, but meeting with other people having problems and talking can do a lot, if nothing else hopefully you will realise that your not alone out there, lots of people are having problems, and maybe you could help some of them as much as some of them could help you.

Peace man, I'll pray you find what you are looking for.
 

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