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plasma vs LCD
« on: 18/03/2006 16:08:00 »
OK here's one that nobody will probably be able to help me with.


My old sony 32" wide-screen just ain't cutting it anymore. I'm OK with the make sony rocks in terms of reliability and visual quality but we've decided to get with the big boys and buy a new wall mounted 42" PLASMA or LCD  screen.
Now i always thought that LCD was the way to go picture quality wise, however after visiting a few shops it seems that the plasma's have better pictures.

Is it possible the shops are trying to push the plasma's more than the LCD's and are doing something to the signal quality given to the LCD'S to make the plasma's look better  ,maybe they make more from the sale of each plasma's unit than LCD and our trying to con us.

So whats better plasma or LCD.

Also i heard plasmas have got to be recharged with gas every now and again is that true.

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Re: plasma vs LCD
« Reply #1 on: 18/03/2006 16:29:05 »
The two are completely different technologies and both have their advantages and disadvantages.

LCDs can suffer from blurring on fast moving objects and also may suffer from a restricted viewing angle on the vertical and on the horizontal. The plus point is that they do not have a tube or a gas that can deteriorate over time and will not suffer from a ‘ burning ‘ should a static image be left on the screen for a long time,eg a channels logo that is constantly in the corner.

Plasmas do produce far more vivid pictures and suffer far less from the blurring effect and have a wider viewing angle, but do suffer from the potential of a burnt in image, but this is after many hours and in reality, you just won’t let that happen. Please do not be put off by the rumours that they have to be charged…they can’t be !!, it’s a sealed unit and modern day latest generation of Plasmas will give you at least 5 – 10 years of USE !! ..ie..if you keep it on and never turn it off for that many years. You also tend to get far better size per pound and therefore you get more for your money.. You would have purchased a new one long long time before the picture goes.

One thing to bear in mind is to NOT put a plasma on the wall above an active fireplace as they tend to ‘ blow up ‘

Panasonic do make fantastic LCDs  (and Plasma) and with the advent of High Definition available now via HD dvd players and SKY the pictures are very very good, in fact…it’s like looking out the window…they  truly are amazing !!

I would go for a plasma, (IMO) they are larger, more affordable, produce better pictures but the LCDs are very good too. You need to go to people like John Lewis  or Sevenoaks Sound & Vision to see these together as other stores are notoriously bad at setting these things up properly.

One thing also to bear in mind is that there are bargains out there but you are getting what you pay for...the cheaper ones (plasmas and LCds) are older generations. The models change on average every 10-12 months.


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Re: plasma vs LCD
« Reply #2 on: 18/03/2006 18:57:53 »
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Originally posted by neilep
Panasonic do make fantastic LCDs  (and Plasma) and with the advent of High Definition available now via HD dvd players and SKY the pictures are very very good, in fact…it’s like looking out the window…they  truly are amazing !!




Can't say much about Panasonic with regard to displays; but as a brand. I think they are functionally very nice, but have sometimes had problems with longevity, and I have an old tranny radio (OK, that has survived for over a decade, but I have some JVC stuff that has survived for about a quarter of a century), but that goes through batteries at a phenomenal rate (although, it does have a mains adaptor, which I now use exclusively, and have not put any batteries in it for about 5 years).




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« Reply #3 on: 18/03/2006 19:39:34 »
Panasonic, of recent years have been consistent in the quality of their Plasmas and LCDs....you just need to read some reviews of any magazine to see how well respected they are. Additionally they were always amongst the top brands for video products.

I can't vouch for their longevity though. Plasmas and especially LCDs just have not been around long enough for accurate reports.

Hi Fi  products, where my interest is, is a completely different situation though. Not many people realise but when it comes to true Hi Fidelity then Britain actually rules the waves with specialist brands like Cyrus, Exposure Musical Fidelity..I could go on and on...and especially our many brands of speakers which are renowned the world over !..sorry..I'm digressing I know, but having been in the Specialist audio retail industry for seven years I still have the bug...besides..I'm passionate about music anyway and being able to  reveal as much detail and information from a recording. You can not beleieve the incredible sound-stage and three dimensionality you can obtain for a reasonably set up Hi Fi. You can quite literally distinguish where the instruments and vocals are.

99% of Plasmas and Lcds are Japanese made, and out of the Japanese brands that we sold and installed Panasonic and Pioneer followed by Toshiba and Hitachi were the top four.

However, it's worth investigating properly, it's a lot of money and you may have to live with the odd dead pixel too in LCD and Plasma.



 

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« Reply #4 on: 18/03/2006 20:16:24 »
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Hi Fi  products, where my interest is, is a completely different situation though. Not many people realise but when it comes to true Hi Fidelity then Britain actually rules the waves with specialist brands like Cyrus, Exposure Musical Fidelity..I could go on and on...and especially our many brands of speakers which are renowned the world over !..sorry..I'm digressing I know, but having been in the Specialist audio retail industry for seven years I still have the bug.




Yep, I'd go with that, if you are willing to spend the money, and buy something that is without any frills.

For speakers, there is no competition, and what more do you want out of speakers that just the sound.  When one is talking about the rest of the system, for instance the tuner, then you also might have certain criteria regarding functionality as well as pure sound, and there sometimes one has to make a trade-off between raw sound quality and something that will satisfy one's all round needs, and the British stuff still is focused purely on the one dimension, the sound.

Yes, I know there is the argument that all electronics ever do is interfere with the sound, so if one is obsessed about sound, and sound alone, then don't put in any electronics other than are purely necessary for the reproduction of that sound.  Real life is rarely that simple.

I am not saying one should not buy British.  When my mother upgraded her system, probably about 7 years ago, she already had Mission speakers, she bought Arcam amps and CD, but went for a Japanese tuner.  That having been said, the amp had to go in for repair recently, so clearly one has to ask again about longevity (OTOH, I doubt that the Japanese would even be able to offer to repair kit of that vintage).



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« Reply #5 on: 18/03/2006 20:58:03 »
Arcam are great George,

I've attended a few training days there in cambridge.

Absolutely right, simplicity is the key, the less you have inside the box then the less chance of cross interference. Most decent amps don't have a balance control, and you can forget about tone controls and flashy lights too...but I'm silly, ... you know all this already.

Though the UK stuff is more expensive, at least you know you have many upgrade paths available and that models change every 2-3 years rather than annually.

Ther are some reputable Japanese brands too, Marantz and Denon do make some lovely Hi Fi...but..well, I just like the UK stuff .
 

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Re: plasma vs LCD
« Reply #6 on: 18/03/2006 23:31:45 »
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LCDs can suffer from blurring on fast moving objects and also may suffer from a restricted viewing angle on the vertical and on the horizontal.




soo true, i have a flat screen  magnavox lcd tv thing...
and whenever the screen changes from something with high contrast and a lot of color to like an all black screen,  you can still see an outline of the shapes and its takes a second to fade![:(!]

but i luckily dont suffer from a restricted viewing angle
:D

anyways, have you consider getting a projector?
I've one, and it has a huge but still good quality picture, less expensive, and so far no problems:)
 

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« Reply #7 on: 18/03/2006 23:46:35 »
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quote:
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LCDs can suffer from blurring on fast moving objects and also may suffer from a restricted viewing angle on the vertical and on the horizontal.




soo true, i have a flat screen  magnavox lcd tv thing...
and whenever the screen changes from something with high contrast and a lot of color to like an all black screen,  you can still see an outline of the shapes and its takes a second to fade![:(!]

but i luckily dont suffer from a restricted viewing angle
:D

anyways, have you consider getting a projector?
I've one, and it has a huge but still good quality picture, less expensive, and so far no problems:)



Excellent point Ariel (not just a pretty face eh ? ;)) regarding the contrast ratio...LCDs are appalling at this, being able to distinguish between light and dark can be very cumbersome unless you have the LCD panel at the same height as your eyes when viewing. Plasmas have a far far better capability of dealing with contrast.

The projector is another excellent point :)....There are a couple of minus points though...they can be noisy due to the fan (those bulbs burn HOT), they may need a darkened room but the major negative point is the life of the bulbs which are limited ,and to replace them costs a lot. Over here in the UK you could well be thinking of £300-£600 plus for a new bulb !!...however...the SIZE of the picture is immense, and if you use a good screen ,is simply awesome !!

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Re: plasma vs LCD
« Reply #8 on: 19/03/2006 00:00:17 »
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soo true, i have a flat screen magnavox lcd tv thing...
and whenever the screen changes from something with high contrast and a lot of color to like an all black screen, you can still see an outline of the shapes and its takes a second to fade!
That could be partly an illusion the the blurring effect which Neil spoke about has been almost eliminated along with the restricted angle thing in the new tv's .

There are points for and points against both technologies. LCD tv's have come a long way over the last few years and they have ironed out most of their problems. I cant decide :) I thought about rear projection but i want to hang it on the wall and i have two friends who have the system and its ok but not what i want.

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« Reply #9 on: 19/03/2006 00:13:40 »
That's true Michael, LCDs have coem along way but the discrepencies are still there, but as you say, they are very slight. The thing is, to have a proper demonstration where you can view the same scene over and over again as opposed to just seeing them running on the shop floor, and you don't want to see a cartoon movie either in the dem..you want to see close ups of faces,explore the textures and details of the skin, you wanna see moving vehicles against the back drop of buildings to bring out the shortcomings of the venetian blind effect, ie when viewing roofs and slatted windows /fences etc...and you wanna see how well they cope in bright lit rooms and how well they distingusih betyween light and dark.

Rear projection used to be awful, now, just in the last couple of years they are making a good comeback...but as you say, you can't hang them on the wall......yet !!

It is a toughie...I've still got a good old fashioned TV (albeit a 40" beast)...my mummy has had a pansaonic plasma for two years and it's amazing. The newer ones are spectacular...as are the LCDs

good luck...and can we all come over when you get one ?
 

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Re: plasma vs LCD
« Reply #10 on: 19/03/2006 00:18:49 »

 
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good luck...and can we all come over when you get one ?


yes but you must all bring a bottle:)

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« Reply #11 on: 19/03/2006 00:20:40 »
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good luck...and can we all come over when you get one ?


yes but you must all bring a bottle:)

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« Reply #12 on: 19/03/2006 23:00:58 »
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 I thought about rear projection but i want to hang it on the wall and i have two friends who have the system and its ok but not what i want.

Michael



are you talking about the projection tvs?
when i said projector i mean like...a ...projector :D
and in that case you could atleast hang a screen on the wall!
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