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Offline albert.ronit

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« on: 06/05/2011 12:43:26 »
Ie "EVERY SET OF SIMILAR DIMENSION ARE CURVE WITH RESPECT TO OTHER SET OF SIMILAR DIMENSIONS". Hence on traviling time, space expand causing dark energy and on traveling space, time expand causing slow of time (highly observe at high speed).... Too that space and time are dynamicaly finite but with no boundries. They repeat after particular unit but are change like we have begain from particular place and rotate around earth but we find that the place had change, thats not the space we where in at begaining. Similar thing cause the non repeat of time in normal condition, and of space too.


 

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« Reply #1 on: 06/05/2011 16:49:54 »
Yet more metaphysical nonsense.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 06/05/2011 16:55:47 »
Hi Albert,

Do you have a science question here?  I've moved it to New Theories for now, since it seems to be about new ideas in physics.

Thanks,
JP (moderator)
 

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« Reply #3 on: 06/05/2011 17:09:53 »
What we see from Earth (The Visible Universe) is roughly a sphere 13 to 14 billion light years in radius.

Light has been traveling from the most distant objects for so long that undoubtedly they would be much different today if they could be visualized without time delay.

There is no evidence for a physical repeat of objects in the Universe.  Would there actually be 2 earths?

Light doesn't necessarily follow a straight path, but again there is little evidence of light being bent around a complex shape such as a toroid.  
 

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« Reply #4 on: 07/05/2011 09:11:05 »
Clifford - you are getting your units/dimensions mixed up.  The extreme visible universe is approximately 46 billion light years distant from us; ie we can see 13.6 billion years into the past (cos we can see the CMBR). The furthest/oldest stellar objects we can see are around 13.1 billion years old - http://arxiv.org/abs/1010.4312 about 30 billion light years away, and are red-shifted by 8.55.  As near as anything this is the light of the first stars. 

The difference between light years and year (which should logically be the same because it is light doing the travelling) is the background expansion of the universe.  The light from that galaxy mentioned in the article has been travelling for 13.1 billion years - but the object that emitted the light is now 30 billion light years away.  It is this universal expansion which has caused the huge red-shift (from the ultra-violet to the infra-red) - although the galaxy was moving away from us when it emitted the light this would not nearly be enough to red-shift light this much.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 09/05/2011 05:52:31 »
Ie "EVERY SET OF SIMILAR DIMENSION ARE CURVE WITH RESPECT
TO OTHER SET OF SIMILAR DIMENSIONS".
Hence on traviling time, space expand causing dark energy
and on traveling space, time expand causing slow of time
(highly observe at high speed).... Too that space and time are dynamicaly finite but with no boundries.
They repeat after particular unit but are change like we have
 begain from particular place and rotate around earth
 but we find that the place had change, thats not the space
 we where in at begaining.
 Similar thing cause the non repeat of time in normal condition,
and of space too.

Dimensions of Universe: How many we have?
==.
Euclidean space is a flat two dimensions space without
conception of time .
Put negative time ( -t ) into Euclidean flat two dimensions
 space and it will be  ‘Pseudo – Euclidean space’
Put negative time ( -t ) into Euclidean/ Descartes three
dimensions space and it will be ‘negative Minkowski
4D spacetime’
Add to (-4D) a new D and it will be Kaluza 5D space.
Add to 5D a new  D and it will be 6D space.
Etc …11D . . Etc …26D  . . . . to . . . .higher – super –
- extra  dimensions. ( !)
The problem.
Every new dimension was taken from the heaven. (!)
Every new D needs new ‘ list of constants, which were
freely specifiable’  / The trouble with physics.
 Page 119.  Lee Smolin./,
needs new ‘ extra particles – - particles not seen in nature’
/  The trouble with physics. Page 121. Lee Smolin /,
needs new parameters.
 #
What is next step?
a) some D must be freeze or hidden.
The real mechanism of the freeze is unknown.
‘ Unless there is some mysterious mechanism that
 freezes the geometry of the extra dimensions . . . ‘
 /Page 123. Lee Smolin /
 b) some D must be wrapped or curled and ‘ there are
 many different ways to curl them up’ / page 51, 119.
Lee Smolin / . But the real force (s ? ) of this process is
unknown.
#
What is result?
‘When you added more dimensions, or more twists
to the geometry, thing always got worse, not better’
/ page 52. Lee Smolin /
Why?
‘Indeed, the more dimensions you include, the higher
 the price you pay for freezing their geometry.’
  / page 51. Lee Smolin /
( and also the higher  the price you pay for curling
their geometry.  My opinion.)
#
What is the situation?
‘ In fact, neither theory nor experiment offers any evidence
 at all that extra dimensions exist’.
  / page XVI. Lee Smolin./
I think the higher – super – extra – dimensions are only
good  mathematical toys, it is good mathematical training..
So.
  Pecking order of the sciences:
Biologists answer only to Chemists.
Chemists answer only to Physicists.
Physicists answer only to Mathematicians.
Mathematicians answer only to God.               
#
‘ I knew many physicists who were sure that supersymmetry
 and the extra dimensions  were there, waiting to be discovered’
/ Page 125. Lee Smolin./
Why?
/ Page 234./
‘ It was discovered in the 1980s  that quantum gravity can be
 precisely defined in a world with only two spatial dimensions.
We call this 2 + 1 quantum gravity, for two dimensions of space
 and one of time’. / Lee Smolin./
#
So, what did they do?
At first they added one D and then one D more and more D
and later they began to hide these D and as conclusion (!)
we need only two D ( only 2D - !) and time (!) to explain
 quantum gravity. (! ? !? )
I have no words.
====.
A mathematician can create and add many new D to his D theory.
But a physicist must ask: What are physical parameters like:
 volume (V), temperature (T) and density (P) of these new D?
==.
Israel Socratus.
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