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##### Existance of the same matter at the same time in all places
« on: 14/01/2012 23:53:31 »

My name is Osama Sadoon Memon and I am a lawyer/businessman. I took physics,chemistry and Maths up until my A levels.

I was always fascinated by the Idea of God at all places at the same time. I believe atleast theoretically I can prove the possibility of this happening using the simple formula speed = distance/time.

Lets Imagine there is this person (Mr. G) who happens to be standing at point A. Mr G decides to travel to point B which is 500 meters away in 10 seconds. Now in accordance with the formula Speed equals to distance divided by time [c=d/t] , the speed of Mr G would be speed = 500/10. The speed will be 50 m/s.

Thus now it takes 10 seconds for (Mr G) traveling at 50m/s to travel 500 meters from A to the point B.

As the speed increases time for (Mr.G) to travel from A to B decreases. Using simple mathematics there has to be a speed ( lets say [God Speed]) where t =0s. Time becomes an absolute zero. At such a speed (Mr G's) travel from A to B will be instantaneous. No time would have lapsed.  One might argue that time would still lapse but it would require new measurements for a possible calculation. But imagine a speed beyond the possibility of calculation where time actually halts.
Now (Mr G) goes a step further and decided to travel from A to B and then back from B to A continuously. The distance for the total journey now increases from 500m to 1000m and thus the speed required to bring the value of time to an absolute 0 also increases. This new speed is now the God speed for this distance where the time required to travel it becomes 0. Now imagine if (Mr G) continued this cycle of traveling from A to B and back from B to A for 1 hour.

For another spectator (Mr O) standing at point C (Mr G) would be present at the point A and B at the same time. In essence time will be elapsing for (Mr O) and (Mr G), with (Mr O) perceiving that there are two (Mr Gs) rather than one.

Expand this theory further and imagine every single point in the universe and an entity traveling back and forth between them non-stop at a speed which regardless of the distance forces the value of time taken to travel it into an absolute 0. That I believe is the Divine Speed.

Thus for a spectator if he chooses to look at the entire universe the entity would appear as though it was present at all these places at the same time, which in accordance with the above example will be.
« Last Edit: 15/01/2012 00:14:13 by Osama Sadoon Memon »

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##### Re: Existance of the same matter at the same time in all places
« Reply #1 on: 15/01/2012 00:03:48 »
Disclaimer: This is not the end of my theory but rather just the beginning. A simple explanation of the point I intend to ultimately make with powerful examples. I would appreciate everyone's thought on this.

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##### Re: Existance of the same matter at the same time in all places
« Reply #2 on: 15/01/2012 00:12:16 »
You might check your math early in the paper.

500/10 = 50, not 20.

But, you can look at speeds as limits.

Velocity = Distance / Time.
Set Time = ε, as ε < 0.

Then look as the limit as the non zero ε approaches zero.

Traveling between two points of a finite distance, with a non-zero time ε.  One always also gets a finite, velocity, less than infinity, d/ε.

If you set your time to be zero, and your velocity to be infinite, then you might also conclude that you would be unable to travel (and stop) at a finite distance.

What is the distance that you travel in zero time --> zero.
What is the distance you you travel at an infinite velocity at a finite non-zero time, for example... 1 second..  well, the distance is now also infinite.

If you think of asymptotes, you can always approach the asymptote, but you can never quite hit it.

Incidentally, if you set an asymptote at say, velocity = c.  Then, you put in v=c+1, you get some quite screwy stuff.

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##### Re: Existance of the same matter at the same time in all places
« Reply #3 on: 15/01/2012 00:27:37 »
Thank you for the correction. I was thinking about the next line and the shift of values and ended up writing a 20.

I've already tried to establish the possibility of avoiding the value of infinity. Infinity is everything we can't measure. I Don't expect the speed to possibly exist in a definable number. It would not be a constant either. The possibility I expect you to explore is that it exists.

You need not actually calculate it. I don't intend to take the argument in the waters of what we know but rather I want to limit it to what we don't know.
I already also stated that time should be considered an absolute zero. It halts. Otherwise obviously where time cannot be calculated in seconds it can be calculated in micro seconds if the need be. I am saying an absolute zero where the speed over powers its need to exist.

Obviously with the shifting value of the distance the velocity will also change. Thus the velocity required to keep time at an absolute zero will also fluctuate.

Hence rather than discussing infinity I am proposing a new term where speed exists at a level where time no longer matters for a particular distance.

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##### Re: Existance of the same matter at the same time in all places
« Reply #4 on: 15/01/2012 00:30:13 »
A possible velocity where the formula v=d/t fails to operate!

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##### Re: Existance of the same matter at the same time in all places
« Reply #5 on: 15/01/2012 01:02:54 »
The problem is that if you can travel from A to B at velocity V, and time T.
Then choose point C (consider it further from A than B).

Then, you can't conclude that you can also travel from A to C at the same velocity V, and time T.

While your limit v=d/ε as ε-->0 is that v-->∞
But, you never truly hit 0 or ∞.

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##### Re: Existance of the same matter at the same time in all places
« Reply #6 on: 15/01/2012 10:37:59 »
There lies the problem
"While your limit v=d/ε as ε-->0 is that v-->∞
But, you never truly hit 0 or ∞."

True its never been achieved but it can't be ruled out either unless there is proof that an absolute 0 cannot be achieved. You have to understand I am operating on Immanuel Kants theory i.e. If there is an A than there has to be a B that follows. Thus if I start emptying a glass of water which is full, it will have to become completely empty at some point. Its a systematic reduction. So as speed keeps increasing since Time is inversely proportional to it in the formula v=d/t, it is only systematically valid that T will have to become an absolute zero at some point!

Thus my line of argument is based on simple mathematical reduction.

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##### Re: Existance of the same matter at the same time in all places
« Reply #7 on: 15/01/2012 13:07:21 »
One final thing " The God speed will always be a speed and never a velocity"

O.S.Memon

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##### Re: Existance of the same matter at the same time in all places
« Reply #8 on: 16/01/2012 10:28:30 »
OSM

1.  Your notion (it isn't a theory) clashes with most physics in the area.  SR is exceedingly well tested - and most people believe in causality; if you have SR and causality then NO particle nor information can travel faster than the speed of light.

2.  Maths can show much - and it can be false and as well as true.  A logically valid mathematical process will only lead to a truthful outcome if and only if the axiomata are true.

3.  You could re-write your entire idea with "a pink sheep playing the harpsichord" instead of the word God - this would not change its provability, ie it would be just as unfalsifiable.  This lack of experiment falsifiability is why it is a notion or idea and not a theory.

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« Reply #9 on: 16/01/2012 23:01:17 »
1.  Your notion (it isn't a theory) clashes with most physics in the area.  SR is exceedingly well tested - and most people believe in causality; if you have SR and causality then NO particle nor information can travel faster than the speed of light.

Well if the emphasis is on the words used then I assure you it is nothing more than a temporary belief that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light unless proven otherwise. The same was the case with the theory that atom is the smallest existing particle.

I just tried to use the possibility of a systematic progression and reduction to explain that if such a speed could be achieved the implications would produce unprecedented ripples in the way we perceive time.

« Last Edit: 18/01/2012 06:01:17 by Osama Sadoon Memon »

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##### Re: Existance of the same matter at the same time in all places
« Reply #10 on: 16/01/2012 23:37:22 »

1.  Your notion (it isn't a theory) clashes with most physics in the area.  SR is exceedingly well tested - and most people believe in causality; if you have SR and causality then NO particle nor information can travel faster than the speed of light.

Well if the emphasis is on the words used than I assure you it is nothing more than a temporary belief that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light unless proven otherwise. The same was the case with the theory that atom is the smallest existing particle.

I just tried to use the possibility of a systematic progression and reduction to explain that if such a speed could be achieved the implications would produce unprecedented ripples in the way we perceive time.

Osama

It might be a temporary belief - it may not; but most of the physics at present use this as a fundamental law.   Please bear in mind that SR  correctly predicts time dilation in orbiting satellites, is the basis of modern physics, and had been thoroughly tested - this is what you need to overturn.

Ie - Until your theory can make the gps satellites work (and I promise you they need both adjustments based on Special and General relativity to function) the you have an untestable, non-falsifiable piece of religious apology.

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« Reply #10 on: 16/01/2012 23:37:22 »