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Offline mojo4567

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Voids and Kinetic Energy
« on: 17/02/2012 00:55:09 »
so i was thinking today and i decided to share some of my ideas with the world. It is these questions that have started my love for particle physics and made me want to be a theoretical particle physicist when i grow up.

1. Kinetic energy must be a particle
So when we are taught chemistry we are taught that the change in tempeture was actually a change in kinetic energy. So i was wondering "isnt that just a diffrent name for change in tempature" which got me thinking "shouldnt there be a cause and an effect at the sub-atomic level" so i did some thinking and came up with my theory. In the electron cloud of an atom there is a tiny particle much like an electron. as part of the lepton family this particle has many diffrent types of it much like a quark and some atoms have the same type and some have diffrent. so my theory is is that these particles which i do not know how small they would be, although i am sure they would be to small to detect much like the strings associated with string theory just to small to see or they may be like the higg's boson and just plain vanish to quick to detect, but some would attract to each other some would repel and the one of the same group would just hang as if it was part of the group. the ones that attract are the decrease in tempature as the atoms slow down and pull closer to each other effectivly lowering there tempature and the repeling would be the rise in tempature. Basicly it would explain why certain reactions produce heat. It may also be that this particle is energy. if you raise somethings energy you raise its tempature so maybe electricity and other forces are just a pure beam of this substance and the particle of it just aggrivates all other ones. 

2. electrons move faster than the speed of "void" or maybe even light

So i asked myself a question today... What is between atoms? After an hour of reasearch i only got the same crap-can answer every time, that the electron fields overlap so there is no space and even gas has no "void" between it all the particles have some area touching another and no open space. So lets say hypotheticly that we could freeze time and ourselves be the only thing moving and then after that shrink ourselves down to 10^-20 and go look around an atom. so lets say we chose a small atom of hydrogen which has 1 electron and go have a look. if we took it that nothing could travel faster than the speed of light then what would that empty space there be? so i propose that electrons must move faster than the speed of light. if you spin a ball of dough it will stretch and i think that is what happens. the less electrons it has the faster the electrons it does have go to make a big ball or whatever shape it would take that make it so there is no void INSIDE an atom making it so that solids would have no space between them and making it so that the "void" cannot get inside of the electron cloud as the electron, if its going faster than the void, would be everywhere at once blocking you off from entering.

thanks for reading. Please know that i am just a seventh grader so remeber that when your posting, becuase i have taken no science but chemistry, a small amount of physics, and internet research. Please give me ideas or comment on something you like, or think i need to change


 

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Re: Voids and Kinetic Energy
« Reply #1 on: 17/02/2012 09:56:08 »
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1.  We would not really bother with this part because it doesn't explain anything that we cannot already explained in simpler ways.  This is sometimes referred to as Occam's Razor.  You can read about Occam's Razor here We have a very simple model of heat, kinetic energy, temperature etc which explains lots - the only reason a new idea would be thought about is if 1) it explained more  and/or 2) it was even more basic.  I cannot see that yours does either of these two things so we might as well stick with the simple model.  Although we must say that just because something is simple does not mean it is right - we might someday find circumstances that we cannot explain - and then we need to re-investigate and it could be we were being too simple.   :D

2.  This is very neat - it's not really right, but it is cool thinking.  electromagnetic fields can be thought of as extending out way past where we can detect them - ie they don't stop they just get weaker and weaker.  Remember that if we fire alpha particles at a very thin gold sheet ([urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger%E2%80%93Marsden_experiment] the rutherford experiment[/url]) most of them go straight through - ie there do seem to be big gaps between the bits that bounce the alpha particles back.   The idea of electrons spinning around a nucleus (that followed from the rutherford experiment) - is a great way to start learning, but in your final years of school and later on you will find that this is not the case.  This is an example of a simple idea that just doesn't cut it when we look in more detail.  We actually need quantum mechanics to describe electrons in this situation.   The bit about going faster than the speed of light - is something to be careful of.  Unless you absolutely need to include an idea like this, you try not to.  FtL (faster than light) causes all sorts of problems and clashes with much science that it pretty well established.  Any theory that include FtL speeds or transfer of information needs to be really good and explain much - otherwise no one would take any notice
 

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Re: Voids and Kinetic Energy
« Reply #2 on: 17/02/2012 22:24:44 »
@imatfaal

Thanks for the feed back! It answered allot of my questions and i realize now what my mistakes were but i still have one question- What is the cause/effect for the change in tempature at the sub-atomic level? i have never understood this and all i have been taught when reading is that atoms "gain or lose" kinetic energy but im wondering what actually happens to make the atoms slow down or speed up?
 

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Re: Voids and Kinetic Energy
« Reply #3 on: 22/02/2012 11:04:24 »
Mojo - this is a bit of involved topic and can be viewed from many different levels - most especially the micro (a few individual atoms) and the macro (a large system of countless atoms).  Temperature is a macro property - a system has temperature, a single atom does not have temperature it has kinetic energy; we can convert the average kinetic energy of a lot of atoms into a measurement of the temperature of that system.

On a micro scale - energy can be imparted to a system in many ways, we can visualize what might happen to increase the velocity of individual atoms (and thus their kinetic energy).   we can see conduction is the transfer of heat from a hotter system to a cooler by high speed atoms from the hot system hitting slower ones in the cooler system (this might be a bit too simplified ).   I will try and find a nice internet resource that deals with it.  You need to engage with entropy - which can be a bit confusing
 

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