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David Cameron wants to inspect your packet :Ĵo
« on: 05/04/2012 17:22:31 »
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April 3, 2012 | By Trevor Timm
UK Government Proposes Law Monitoring Every Email, Phone Call, and Text Message

On Sunday, the United Kingdom’s Prime Minister David Cameron and the Interior Ministry were forced to defend a sweeping wiretapping proposal, which would aim to monitor every single email, text message, and phone call flowing through the whole country. The proposal would likely force all UK Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to install “black boxes” on their systems that use Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) technology, which would give authorities access to all communications data without a warrant or any judicial oversight.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/04/uk-government-proposes-law-monitoring-every-email-phone-call-and-text-message

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection#Deep_Packet_Inspection_by_governments
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Re: David Cameron wants to inspect your packet :Ĵo
« Reply #1 on: 05/04/2012 19:33:44 »
Wot about carrier pidgeons then?
 
Maybe he's just trying to divert more business to the Royal Mail? If it's anything like the USPS, it will be losing money like crazy.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 05/04/2012 20:53:10 »
Maybe he's just trying to divert more business to the Royal Mail? If it's anything like the USPS, it will be losing money like crazy.

Not after 30th April ...
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A first-class stamp will rise in price from 46p to 60p from 30 April [2012] after the regulator lifted some price controls on Royal Mail. The 30% price rise in first-class stamps, and 39% rise for second-class, mark the biggest annual increase in percentage terms since 1975.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17522500
 

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Re: David Cameron wants to inspect your packet :Ĵo
« Reply #3 on: 10/04/2012 08:06:02 »
"If you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about."

This may be true, but given the enormous volume of electronic mail being sent, isn't there great scope for misinterpretation, leading to perfectly innocent people finding themselves under investigation?

'I will attack tonight, I will kill them all.'

Good grief! A mass murderer, a terrorist? Next thing I know, armed police are battering down my door. My murderous escapade has been averted. You can all sleep sound tonight. Unfortunately, so will the earwigs tomorrow, the earwigs I had planned on attacking and killing to save my clematis from being devoured overnight.

Its not just mistakes such as the above, its also that with so much information to inspect, there is a good chance that those communications which we should be concerned about could slip through the net.

But perhaps most worrying of all is the UK government's habit of selling information to all and sundry. As it is the DVLA is selling information about us and our vehicles to private companies in the parking enforcement industry. Some of these company's are known to be acting in blatant underhand ways which amount to nothing less than extortion and have been hauled before the courts on many occasions, only to be told that their activities are illegal.

Another problem is that companies, civil servants and ministers all seem to be quite adept at leaving all maner of classified documents on trains, in cafes and on park benches.

We need protection from those who would do us harm and the government has a duty to protect us. The problem is, who will protect us from our government?

1984? The year may have been wrong, but perhaps the rest will come to pass.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 11/04/2012 18:00:55 »
But perhaps most worrying of all is the UK government's habit of selling information to all and sundry.

like NHS medical records ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16026827

... civil servants and ministers all seem to be quite adept at leaving all maner of classified documents on trains, in cafes and on park benches.

Hacking the government computers is another scenario for the electronic eavesdropping records to be leaked.   

There is also Data creep, the eavesdropping is initially in the name of national security, but eventually the data will be used by other government departments, e.g. to inform the NHS of the groceries you've ordered online  :) ...

NHS Dr : " I see you've ordered a dozen Tesco chicken-tikka lasagnes, you clearly have ageusia ".  :)
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« Reply #5 on: 11/04/2012 22:39:24 »
Are the British planning on doing better data encryption, and address anonymization?
 

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« Reply #6 on: 12/04/2012 00:01:36 »
Are the British planning on doing better data encryption, and address anonymization?

The NHS patient info being sold to big-pharma is supposedly anonymized but you wouldn’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to find out a patient’s name ...
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Patient Concern said it had real worries about the proposal to make patients' medical data available to private firms as the information would include postcodes and age profiles which would be possible to trace back to the individuals concerned.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16026827

[ if you can ID the person you could draw up a family tree for genetic diseases, that's info the cherry-picking health/life insurance companies would love to have ]

As for NHS putting patient records on computer, don’t ask ...  http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/sep/22/nhs-it-project-abandoned  [V]
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« Reply #7 on: 12/04/2012 05:12:16 »
With British tabloids thinking it is ok to hack into cell phones of murder victims, and delete the voice-mails in the middle of an active police investigation...
I do wonder a bit about security of things like patient records.

However, there are also huge benefits of having electronic patient records, both benefits for the patients (better history available quicker wherever one goes for treatment, as well as more complete records).  As well as better tracking of things like narcotic acquisitions & multiple prescriptions.  Of course, also looking for possible drug interactions which is also a benefit to patients.

My point was that if the UK government starts an active program of packet sniffing, there will likely be a popular response to improve data encryption over the WWW, which would actually be a good thing, and likely an increase in out of the UK, anonymous proxy usage and other ID obfuscation.

I wonder how much of the US traffic is sniffed by the US Government?  I suppose the USA has been quietly doing some of this for years.
http://www.ehow.com/list_7346796_kinds-government-do-over-internet_.html

Obviously things like web searches can be very non-specific.  Ever been curious what Nitroglycerin is?  The difference between Sudafed and Methamphetamine?  There is even a Wikipedia page explaining how to make the stuff  :-\
 

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« Reply #8 on: 12/04/2012 11:57:57 »
With British tabloids thinking it is ok to hack into cell phones of murder victims, and delete the voice-mails in the middle of an active police investigation...

Not wanting to defend the gutter press but, it seems the deletion was automatic ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16146527
 

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« Reply #9 on: 12/04/2012 20:49:38 »
With British tabloids thinking it is ok to hack into cell phones of murder victims, and delete the voice-mails in the middle of an active police investigation...
Not wanting to defend the gutter press but, it seems the deletion was automatic ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16146527
Partly automatic.
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It said News of the World reporters may have inadvertently caused messages to be deleted by listening to them - because the system would then remove them after 72 hours.
So, the system may have automatically deleted voicemail that had been listened to. 
However, the retention would have been much longer for "new" voicemail, perhaps a month.

So, whether or not they hit "delete immediately", hacking and listening to the VM caused them to be deleted.
 

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Re: David Cameron wants to inspect your packet :Ĵo
« Reply #10 on: 16/04/2012 10:54:03 »
It looks like Murdoch's scallywags have been up to similar tricks in the US.


Are the British planning on doing better data encryption, and address anonymization?

That's not really the big issue, if the info wasn't sold to private companies in the first place, we wouldn't be in such a mess and MP's might not have quite so much dosh in their bank accounts.

Sheesh! And they have the nerve to critisise polititians elsewhere in the world for being corrupt!!! Peolpe who live in glass houses.........

 

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