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Offline Emc2

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Reincarnation

What IF ?........... ( and I will keep this as simple as possible, and stick to basics )

okay we all know that our neurons take our memories and store them within certain membranes and that the memories become a part of our sub-conscious memory. We also know that certain cells within our bodies have the ability to change ( add/subtract ) the coding within the DNA to make small or large modification to the coding of the DNA to bring about certain results that can be passed down to the next generation for either an evolutionary success or failure. We also know that our conscious mind can pull memories out of our subconscious minds and 'relive" them so to speak, and that under hypnosis a lot more memories are able to be accessed ( although hypnosis is not accepted by all members of the scientific community ) but we can at least agree that we can store and retrieve memories and change the coding of our DNA to start evolutionary changes for future generations.

Let us just say that one of your distant ancestors thousands of years ago was walking along a river somewhere in Europe, Africa, South America, Asia, the Middle East, Wherever your from. And it starts to storm, there's high winds, thunder, lightning, and it is pouring rain. They start to head towards home, when all of a sudden there hair stands up on the back of there neck, there is a strange feeling in the air, then all of a sudden they are hit by a bolt of lightning. Hours later they awake from unconscious badly burned, and shaken, but alive, and strangely there joints are constantly sore now. .

* Most lightning strikes occur either at the beginning or the end of a storm. * Average lightning strike is 6 miles long. * Lightning reaches 50,000 degrees farenheit, 4 times as hot as the sun's surface. * A cloud to ground lightning channel can be 2-10 miles long. * Voltage in a cloud to ground strike is 100 million to one billion volts. * 20% of all lightning victims die from the strike. * 70% of survivers will suffer serious long-term affects.

Now this would be a memory that this person would NEVER forget, and say that your cells and neurons decided this too and encoded this memory not only into the sub-conscious memory banks, but also into the DNA coding itself so that future generations who read this part of the genetic code would basically (replay ) this memory and understand the coding ( ex. lightning - very bad - but can live - still bad ) , I know this is simple but hey .

Say last week you were out playing golf, and it started to storm so you decided to head back to the club house. As your heading back, you feel something strange and all of a sudden a bolt of lighting hit a tree 50 feet from you on the edge of the rough, the sound, the flash, the smell, fire and everything would of been quite an experience. Your neurons go to store this memory within your sub-conscious memory banks, and when they go to store it, they come across this other code and read it and determine this is important information. While you are sleeping your neurons "replay" this memory and you wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat.

You could swear you were just standing along this river in some vast wilderness with no signs of anyone or any technology around, no lights, no cities, and your wearing furs ? You relive this memory until you are struck by lightning and awake from this dream. But you start thinking, you could smell the air, you could hear the thunder, you were wet, everything was real to you. You can only come to one conclusion, you were here before, you know you were, this was not any ordinary dream, you were there ! you felt it, never was any dream like this one, you were 100 % convinced it was real, because the memory was real... So you now believe you have been been here before, there for - you must of have been reincarnated...you were someone else before....and the myth begins...

Just a Thought..


 

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While there are subtle changes in the DNA such as methylation which require further study, there is no evidence that memories are able to make permanent changes in the DNA of the sex gametes.  For women, the eggs are mostly formed by birth.  Nor is there any evidence of direct mother to child memory transfers before birth.

What can happen.
Say, there are 10 people out in the storm.
1 gets a funny feeling and heads for a tree.
9 of them get blasted by lightening and die.

The one that got the feeling leading them to hide under the tree will be able to pass on their genes.  And, perhaps future progeny will make the same choice.

Of course, there are stories that get passed down from generation to generation. 
For example, oral tradition and mythology passed down stories of the last eruption of Mt. Mazama for a period of about 7000 years without it being written down.

A few years ago there was a large Malaysia/Indonesia Tsunami.  There were concerns that the native populations would be wiped out.  But, in fact, they fared much better than the westernized populations.  Obviously they had passed down information indicating that quakes, or certain changes in the ocean tides meant one should head for the hills.

Perhaps we also underestimate the ability of animals to communicate  from generation to generation things like dangers, for example the risks of humans as predators.
 

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yes I agree no evidence yet, but it is a good hypothesis to investigate, hence research more.  And yes, the event passed orally through the generations is also plausible, and the one that ran, passed those fight or flight responses on to the offspring.

but that does not explain the idea of reincarnation evident in so many people, including millions of hundu's.

it could be an unheard of mental illness, or mass delusion, such as that observed in religious people.

lol, it was just a passing thought I had one day..

« Last Edit: 02/08/2012 08:24:27 by Emc2 »
 

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I think inherited memory while difficult to prove or explain may in fact be a reality. There is as yet an unexplained phenomenon that exists in some forms of Flatworm. Believe it or not you can train a flatworm through a gated maze were at the end it will find a source of food. If it makes a wrong turn it receives an electric shock. Eventually it "learns" the correct path. Now flatworms [Planarians] have that rare and envious ability  of regeneration, but guess what happens if you chop up that flatworm you trained in the maze? All of the "bits" [even down to pieces consisting of only a few cells] that regenerate " remember the path through the maze! The process is in no-way understood, but I would ask that if a little flatworm has memory locked up in it's genes then why not man?
 

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Now flatworms [Planarians] have that rare and envious ability  of regeneration, but guess what happens if you chop up that flatworm you trained in the maze? All of the "bits" [even down to pieces consisting of only a few cells] that regenerate " remember the path through the maze! The process is in no-way understood ...

If this is true, the worm clones could be following an invisible chemical trail left behind by the "trained" worm, or they are following the smell of the food reward wafting down the shortest pathway in the maze, rather than inheriting the learning of their progenitor.
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« Last Edit: 12/02/2013 02:45:16 by RE.Craig »
 

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yes, i agree, DNA changes / evolution is possible by message from neurons and nervous stimulation. repeated messages from nerves gets encrypted in DNA which leads evolution and is passed on from generation to generation. lets take example of giraff which tried continuously to eat from tall trees and the stimulus from nerve to brain to have longer neck resulted in generation of long neck giraff.
PLEASE SEE----------articles by me....
1.http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=43351.0
PROCESS OF EVOLUTION.
2.http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=41927.0
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