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Is distance between two points an illusion?
« on: 29/07/2012 08:19:15 »
Is the distance between any two points an illusion. As a body increase velocity time slows as observed by a stationary body. This means the distance between two points must shorten for the body travelling faster. A body travelling at C should therefore travel indefinately instantly to anywhere, so as i see it everything must be in one point of space.

Any thoughts

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Re: Is distance between two points an illusion?
« Reply #1 on: 29/07/2012 11:04:50 »
This together with the possibility of quantum entanglement where particles at great distances can be instantly affected by a "measurement" appears to indicate while the universe is very large in our familiar space time dimensions it is at the same time very small in other dimensions.  string theorists and other workers in this area  also talk of extra dimensions that are wrapped up and oscillate.  this is just like a spot on a rotating wheel or a planet in an orbit it periodically comes back to the same spot when looked at in a particular "reference frame"

This may seem illogical but it is definitely the way things appear to work.  I could go a whole lot further to explain in simple terms what I think is going on but I would enter the realm of "evolutionary cosmology" which would break the bounds of current accepted thinking and enter the new theories area.
 

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Re: Is distance between two points an illusion?
« Reply #2 on: 29/07/2012 11:15:06 »
expanding this further then is it possible that the photon is both at the source of emmission and at its final destination at the same time?
 

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Re: Is distance between two points an illusion?
« Reply #3 on: 29/07/2012 19:49:15 »
heh :)

What we can do is to measure, right? And from that define how things seem to work setting up hypothesizes. And when you wake up, you have to move to get your cloths, then you have to move even further to get to your job, or school, or beach :)

So we have motion. And motion includes a time to measure in, as well as a distance. A photon on the other hand is only seen in its creation and annihilation. In the creation you won't see the photon but you can see a 'recoil'. In the annihilation though you find your photon. Between those stages the photon is 'anywhere' or 'nowhere'. Although common sense allow us, and quite properly so, to define it as coming from a sun for example, taking a finite time countable to us, before it reaches our detector.

what you are asking seems to be what degree of freedom a photon has, and for us I would say it has the same as us, three plus one.
 

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Re: Is distance between two points an illusion?
« Reply #4 on: 29/07/2012 20:04:36 »
You may be able to argue that a photon has no size though, creating havoc with the definition I made, in that it then takes no 'place' in those three dimensions (plus time) we find. But it still has a energy and a momentum and those two will be inside our dimensions when measured. If they weren't we wouldn't see them at all as I expect.
 

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Re: Is distance between two points an illusion?
« Reply #5 on: 12/08/2012 06:58:24 »
Is the distance between any two points an illusion. As a body increase velocity time slows as observed by a stationary body. This means the distance between two points must shorten for the body travelling faster. A body travelling at C should therefore travel indefinately instantly to anywhere, so as i see it everything must be in one point of space.

Any thoughts

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Various environments of time create refraction of distances. :)
 

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