[William McCormick (OP)]

http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/search?q=define+berth&qpvt=berth&FORM=DTPDIA
It means the width of a ship or as we use it in America, the width of an object.

You might use the word "Breadth" to mean width.
Girth is also used used to mean circumference.
The width of a ship is its "Beam".
If you talk too much about "Berth", people may think you're sleeping on the job.

Rust (as well as paint) is not a good electrical conductor.  And, thus I usually clean off a spot of clean metal before attaching my grounding clamp.  And, everyone recommends cleaning your steel before welding.  I don't use a welding table at this time, just clamp the ground to a clean spot on the work.

Many power supplies fail to give  you constant voltage. 
I wouldn't be surprised if your power supply produces essentially 0V when away from the metal (perhaps also adding high frequency).
The high frequency (or scratch start) will start your arc, then you will have about 30V or so when welding.  But, if you put it through a good resistor (bad contact with the metal or ground), you may in fact get a much higher voltage...  100V or so?

It isn't the rust that is knocking your socks off, but rather your welder that is having troubles dealing with an abnormally high resistance circuit.

You could probably verify by attaching a cheap (Harbor Freight) voltmeter between the electrode and the ground.  Then striking an arc with a relatively poor ground connection.

You should know that your TIG machine turns air into a wonderful conductor of current. A small 3/8" diameter plasma beam, transmits commonly from about 45 to 175 amps. You should know that when you transmit that kind of amperage through, a conductor, and heat the conductor to white or even blue brilliance, that it is going to have to create a huge magnetic field around it. When that magnetic field drops out, you should know that the voltage is similar to a transformers field collapsing.

You can put a 1.5 volt battery to a very large transformer, hold both transformer leads and disconnect the battery, and die, for sure. Of this there is not doubt, to anyone that knows something of inductance fields. 

The proof that air is self inducting when it creates an ARC, is that, the powerful magnetic field, will not let you listen to an FM radio, if the radio and antenna are in line of site of the welder up to 50 feet away, outputting 90 to 175 amps. My point is merely this, if you do not know what I am saying you should not be fooling with electricity at all. You need to know what water does when it gets between you and an object. You need to know what an ARC is. You need to know that rust is a dielectric, and dielectric means what it says.

ARC used to stand for Anode, Rectified Cathode, you would not put your hand to the back of a cathode ray tube would you? Heck no, unless it was a mistake. I know people that have done it and lived. The voltage came right through a well insulated screw driver. 400 volts alone, cannot do that.

The point is that, you are dealing with very high voltage, even if the source of the ARC is chemical or low voltage. You need to know this before you experiment. Some chemicals like iodine and ammonia hydroxide, form powerful initiated explosives. Most would not consider that possible. However when your crystals dry, they can even detonate by themselves, from the drying process.

                      Sincerely,

                            William McCormick 

[William McCormick (OP)]

http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/search?q=define+berth&qpvt=berth&FORM=DTPDIA
It means the width of a ship or as we use it in America, the width of an object.

You might use the word "Breadth" to mean width.
Girth is also used used to mean circumference.
The width of a ship is its "Beam".
If you talk too much about "Berth", people may think you're sleeping on the job.

Rust (as well as paint) is not a good electrical conductor.  And, thus I usually clean off a spot of clean metal before attaching my grounding clamp.  And, everyone recommends cleaning your steel before welding.  I don't use a welding table at this time, just clamp the ground to a clean spot on the work.

Many power supplies fail to give  you constant voltage. 
I wouldn't be surprised if your power supply produces essentially 0V when away from the metal (perhaps also adding high frequency).
The high frequency (or scratch start) will start your arc, then you will have about 30V or so when welding.  But, if you put it through a good resistor (bad contact with the metal or ground), you may in fact get a much higher voltage...  100V or so?

It isn't the rust that is knocking your socks off, but rather your welder that is having troubles dealing with an abnormally high resistance circuit.

You could probably verify by attaching a cheap (Harbor Freight) voltmeter between the electrode and the ground.  Then striking an arc with a relatively poor ground connection.

Never got a shock from something painted. I did however get a few from anodized parts. Same kind of fast, charge, up to painful voltage.

                      Sincerely,

                            William McCormick

[imatfaal]

William - this is an official mod note.  Stop the non-mainstream rambling and pronouncements on the main boards.  If you can answer questions with acknowledged and recognized science then please do so - and your anecdotes and notions would be welcome on the New Theories board, but please do not continue to post them here.  I will start shrinking your posts if you continue. 

[Bored chemist]

"ARC used to stand for Anode, Rectified Cathode,"
No. as I pointed out before, it did not.
It is logically impossible for it to have done so.
Davy was using the term for a continuous spark back in 1801
However the first rectifiers were produced rather later
Notably the arc rectifier which was patented in 1918
The copper oxide rectifier 1938.
Point contact "Cats' whisker" diodes were developed about 1906

Also the words Anode and Cathode were only coined in 1834
So either explain how Davy was calling his new phenomenon after something that was only invented 30 years later or accept that you are (as with so many things) wrong.


Also
Nobody disputes "You should know that your TIG machine turns air into a wonderful conductor of current. A small 3/8" diameter plasma beam, transmits commonly from about 45 to 175 amps. "
but that's not the only thing the electric current goes through is it?
There's the rust too.
Ta's what makes Clifford's post about "It isn't the rust that is knocking your socks off, but rather your welder that is having troubles dealing with an abnormally high resistance circuit." a whole lot more sensible than the magical claims you are making about rust.

[William McCormick (OP)]

William - this is an official mod note.  Stop the non-mainstream rambling and pronouncements on the main boards.  If you can answer questions with acknowledged and recognized science then please do so - and your anecdotes and notions would be welcome on the New Theories board, but please do not continue to post them here.  I will start shrinking your posts if you continue.

I would love to know what I said about dielectrics that is not mainstream?

I would love to know what I said about common welders that is not mainstream?

Everything I said will be there for all eternity to examine. I think you are doing yourself a disservice to deny it. It has always been that way.

If something I said can be matched or explained with some other science, I would love to hear it.


                      Sincerely,

                            William McCormick

[damocles]

From William McCormick:

I would love to know what I said about dielectrics that is not mainstream?

I would love to know what I said about common welders that is not mainstream?

If you would really "love to know" anything, then post it as a separate question in a new thread. See if you get any answers, and listen to them if you do. You should not hijack other discussions with lengthy posts that none of the well-trained scientists among those who contribute to these boards can see any merit in. Welding and dielectrics has absolutely nothing to do with the original poster's request for a source of materials for a conventional low-voltage DC electrolysis cell.

[peppercorn]

Imatfaal's warning was not headed. Action has been taken.
A 'notha Mod

[Boogie]

ARC used to stand for Anode, Rectified Cathode,
 

                      Sincerely,

                            William McCormick

LOL! Welders didn't buy your ARC theory on weldingweb.com, what makes you think actual scientists will accpet it here?

I hope you don't contribute to Wikipedia too...

[William McCormick (OP)]

You just don't know history. Most welders are welding because they have to. Or they are welding stuff after they retire, or as a hobby.

It does not change what an ARC is. In fact when welders die and they do all the time, it is because they don't understand the ARC.

If you understand most everything, the problem is that your courage and manhood get called into question for just taking it from poor leaders.

Benjamin Franklin when he was planing with George Washington to start a new country, decided that he would figure out everything a country is and does to be a country. Benjamin Franklin was a printer, so he said I can print the money, but how do we connect it to the gold or what ever gives it worth.

So they demonstrated the current English system at that time. Benjamin Franklin paid George Washington $100.00 in freshly printed paper for $100.00 worth of gold. Benjamin Franklin, then collected a 50 percent tax from George Washington when George Went to buy provisions from another fellow. Benjamin Franklin now had the $100.00 in gold, and fifty dollars of his paper back. When the other fellow went to buy products, Benjamin Franklin took half of that too. Now Benjamin Franklin had the $100.00 in gold, and $75.00 of his paper back. At the next sale, Benjamin received another 12.50 of his paper back. At the next sale, he got 6.25 of his paper back.

The point is Benjamin Franklin and his boys realized that England was just a bunch of stuffed shirt losers that were never happy, and were never going to be happy, even when they were controlling unlimited wealth.

After the war, unfortunately Hamilton somehow got control of the money, Vice President Burr did shoot and kill Hamilton in a fair dual. At that point the government actually tried to arrest and kill Burr. That is how corrupt the new government was. Later when Burr boasted that he could take Washington DC, and drive her forces into the Potomac river with as little as 500 men. He was again arrested and tried for crimes against the United States. It was later proven that he had committed no crime. The point was that the whole thing ruined his chances for the Presidency. And highlighted the same losers had raced to power.

Not everyone who participated in the Revolution was a good person. Some did it for the power.


                      Sincerely,

                            William McCormick

[William McCormick (OP)]

ARC used to stand for Anode, Rectified Cathode,
 

                      Sincerely,

                            William McCormick

LOL! Welders didn't buy your ARC theory on weldingweb.com, what makes you think actual scientists will accpet it here?

I hope you don't contribute to Wikipedia too...

I hope you know that science has nothing to do with peer pressure at all. So your use of it defines, you as a poor scientist. That is just how it is. I know anyone can be a great scientist, you just have to have the courage to be yourself and form your own opinions, based on facts. No matter what ten, a hundred or ten billion think.

If you understand electricity you know the batteries are labeled backwards. And  you would know that ARC was an acronym for Anode, Rectified Cathode. I learned it from the same teacher in school both ways. He taught us the old way and then he taught us the new way. So I have no doubts about this.

I was also told by a Marine that worked on high priority military projects and special prototypes at Grumman, what ARC is and how it works. This is not like maybe what it is. This is what it is. The path of the Cathode ray is arced and can be arced. While the path of electricity from a power supply goes in a straight line and does not want to be steered by lesser forces. The ARC can be steered by forces much weaker then the power supply creating it. That is the difference.

Here is a movie showing how the cathode ray can be steered and the anode ray cannot. The cathode ray is not created by the power source, it is actually flowing against the direction of the power source, so it can be steered by a magnet or an abundance of voltage. This is contrary to what people are taught and believe.

This is a movie showing how electricity travels from point A to point B from the power supply and the shows AC current and then Reverse polarity DC current that forms an ARC. It also shows how Benjamin Franklin used pointed and flat electrodes to prove the direction of electricity and its properties.

                      Sincerely,

                            William McCormick

[CliffordK]

I hope you know that science has nothing to do with peer pressure at all. So your use of it defines, you as a poor scientist. That is just how it is. I know anyone can be a great scientist, you just have to have the courage to be yourself and form your own opinions, based on facts. No matter what ten, a hundred or ten billion think.

Correct,
Science isn't about peer pressure, although much of it is based on peer reviewed literature.  And, if one has a novel idea, or an idea that goes against the norm, then the person must have the facts and data to back it up.  So, for the most part science is more about data than opinion, although there is a grey area as one considers different interpretations of the data.

If you understand electricity you know the batteries are labeled backwards.

It isn't that batteries are labeled backwards.  + or - is an arbitrary label.
The problem is that in elementary electronics, electricity is often considered to flow from (+ to -), but later it was discovered that the elementary particles, protons carry a positive charge, and generally don't move (although they are used to transmit electricity in cells).  And, that the electron is the subatomic particle with a negative charge that is most mobile.  So, the flow of electrons is actually from (- to +)

For many things flow from (+ to -) or (- to +) doesn't make a big difference as one needs a circuit, although it is a consideration that welders have to determine heat distribution.

[William McCormick (OP)]

I hope you know that science has nothing to do with peer pressure at all. So your use of it defines, you as a poor scientist. That is just how it is. I know anyone can be a great scientist, you just have to have the courage to be yourself and form your own opinions, based on facts. No matter what ten, a hundred or ten billion think.

Correct,
Science isn't about peer pressure, although much of it is based on peer reviewed literature.  And, if one has a novel idea, or an idea that goes against the norm, then the person must have the facts and data to back it up.  So, for the most part science is more about data than opinion, although there is a grey area as one considers different interpretations of the data.

If you understand electricity you know the batteries are labeled backwards.

It isn't that batteries are labeled backwards.  + or - is an arbitrary label.
The problem is that in elementary electronics, electricity is often considered to flow from (+ to -), but later it was discovered that the elementary particles, protons carry a positive charge, and generally don't move (although they are used to transmit electricity in cells).  And, that the electron is the subatomic particle with a negative charge that is most mobile.  So, the flow of electrons is actually from (- to +)

For many things flow from (+ to -) or (- to +) doesn't make a big difference as one needs a circuit, although it is a consideration that welders have to determine heat distribution.

If you understand electricity, you know that if you can arbitrarily label terminals (+) or (-) then you can tell the forklift driver to raise it down, and lower it up. That is where electricity is today.

The particle of electricity does not have a negative charge, whatsoever. No one ever showed a stitch of proof that is true. There are no papers demonstrating that possibility, no experiments to prove that. Nothing at all. Just theories based on that lie.

Electricity works exactly as Benjamin Franklin described it. It is as simple as a garden hose. There is pressure in one terminal, and a shortage of pressure in the other. The particles flow from one terminal to the other. No positrons, like Du Fay had imagined. No nuetrons, no gluons, bosons, mesons, or anything else.

The ARC is what fools most people. For one most are afraid of it, they should be it can deliver the type of shock you get from a cathode ray tube, or worse. As a welder after many years you start to love it. Because you watch it for years of your life. I learned to weld at Grumman Aero Space when I was nine. The ARC was an amazing thing to see through a proper welding lens for the first time. Before that it was just a blinding light that was dangerous.

You have probably seen that I posted stuff about how the ether explained everything up until about World War Two. Not everyone liked it, however not everyone wanted to know the truth. So we know that at one time people felt the ether or as American Universal Scientists called it ambient radiation was part of science. The science that built everything we have today. There is no doubt about this. All we have done since that time, is mislabel things and made them smaller. Nothing new has taken place. In fact many exciting things have been packed away. 

The proton or actually the hydrogen atom, is just a sphere of particles of electricity. Trapped in a spherical shape, by the tiny hydrogen atoms huge surface area, to tiny volume. Ambient radiation pounds everything in this universe from every angle, giving atoms their shape and their qualities. The ambient radiation also transmits those qualities to us.

It is the velocity of particles of electricity that causes the communications we perceive as light, different color light, heat, cold, UV, X-rays, radio, gravity, and vibrations. That is why a coil of wire can do what it does. People talk great scientific theory about how this coil spins over here and this coil just follows suit. However without ambient radiation to communicate those effects those theories die off. The government was open and stated that after World War Two we would no longer be taught the atom. In order to misunderstand the atom, you have to misunderstand the bomb and of course electricity. So there is no conspiracy at all. This is just the brain storm of government workers gone mad.

I was probably the luckiest person on earth to have gotten Pre World War Two science and economics. It is a whole other universe I live in. I have every opportunity available to me, just very few individuals left, with the courage to make use of it. Modern science is like watching reruns of Sesame Street to me.

This is how I was taught light works. Press the little button in the far right lower corner of the screen to see it full screen. This is how it used to be taught in America.

It is the helical angle of travel, of different color light that causes, your eye to see whatever color is sent to it. Higher velocity light purple and blue, travel in a more straight large radius path. While red and yellow travel in a tighter less straight path. This allows the retina, to decipher which color light it is. By how deep the light penetrates into the eye. Very much like the ocean knocks out the reds, yellows and finally green, leaving only blue light at depths.

The lengths of wire  in the movie below, are the same in all three cases. Just the diameter of the path is different. That is how the different color light travels through matter. Matter like air and uncolored glass. The faster light, creates a high frequency in matter, because it is striking or actually just repelling, more atoms per second then the slower light, taking a more jagged path.

We were taught that no two things in this universe ever actually touch. Each object is just in close proximity to one another. Matter is 90 percent space. If I took a lie detector test I can pass it when I say I never touched anything in my whole life. That is how sure I am of it.

 
                      Sincerely,

                            William McCormick

[William McCormick (OP)]

For many things flow from (+ to -) or (- to +) doesn't make a big difference as one needs a circuit, although it is a consideration that welders have to determine heat distribution.

Particles of electricity can only flow in one direction, and one direction only. That is from a place of abundance to a place of less abundance. Because there is no attraction force to pull them anywhere.

Particles of electricity are the very definition of positive. They repel all things, keeping pressure on all things at all times. Particles of electricity create the universal pressure that keeps the universe together. If you saw the older books, I posted on the direction of electricity, most older folks after World War Two just assumed that they had gotten it right. The colleges did not get it right. The colleges were paid big bucks to get it wrong. Stupid grants proving wrong things got money from the government. While real projects were laughed at.

Brookhaven labs received a grant because they said they were going to create perfect vacuum. When no such thing exists. It cannot in this universe. The rest is history. We had the technology to transform whole planets in the sixties. Today I doubt we could get back to the moon.

The point is that neutrons and all the other particles are to keep your mind off of, "raise the electron pressure down" and " lower the electron pressure up". It is no wonder everything is turning to garbage. I use a seventy year old welder to weld with, and do those nice stainless steel beads with no filler wire. It is still the nicest welder I have ever used. And has never caused me a day of trouble. We are going backwards my friend.

                      Sincerely,

                            William McCormick