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Why isn't rain salty?
« on: 25/09/2012 18:00:52 »
Hi Chris

Just want to know that if rain water originates from the sea and sea water is salty, why than don't the rain taste salty, what happens to the salt content in the process?

Your assistance would be highly appreciated.

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Re: Why isn't rain salty?
« Reply #1 on: 18/09/2012 07:20:04 »
The boiling point of Sodium Chloride is about 1413 C.  Likewise other minerals dissolved in seawater has relatively high boiling points. 

So, the partial pressure exerted by the salt dissolved in the seawater is far less than that of the water.  And, thus, while the water evaporates, the sodium chloride (salt) does not, and remains behind in solution.

Some salt does get swept up by the wind and wave action of the oceans.  But, that salt tends to fall within a few miles of the coastline, and once fallen, it doesn't re-evaporate to fall as salt water elsewhere.  But, this windblown salt does case significant corrosion to metals along the coastlines.
 

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Re: Why isn't rain salty?
« Reply #2 on: 21/09/2012 13:58:24 »
And the salt story is even a bit more interesting than that. Some salt gets swept up not in spray from the waves, but in tiny droplets of sea water that form when the bubbles in waves burst at the surface. The water evaporates or not forming a colloidal aerosol that does not easily settle out. Whether a solid or a liquid aerosol depends on magnesium content -- high magnesium = liquid, low Mg = solid. These particles, known as "halites" are carried on air currents for several days. Some are dry deposited, and can lead to salinity in desert surface soils over a few million years. But the more important role of halites is in helping to form clouds.

In the atmosphere, all of the little molecules of water vapour tend to move around individually. They do not often come together and stick together. A water droplet or ice crystal cannot really start to form from pure water vapour unless 50 to 100 consenting water molecules meet together at the same time. But a halite can attract water molecules onto its surface one at a time and gradually build up the sorts of water or ice droplets that are in clouds. The process is called "nucleation".

Rain water is very very slightly salty. The purest water you can make contains about 10-15 mole, or 1 billion atoms of sodium per litre (and only slightly smaller amounts of other common ions, magnesium, chloride, and sulfate, and even larger amounts of bicarbonate).
 

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Re: Why isn't rain salty?
« Reply #3 on: 30/11/2012 18:24:15 »
An experiment that you can do to model this phenomenon, and there is a good chance that you have done this before, is to take a pot of water and bring it almost to boiling.  Then take it off the stove/heat source and pour it into another heat safe container, if you desire (for ease of cleanup, it's better if you can throw it away). Now start to slowly pour salt in while stirring, pouring as much in as possible but stopping before the solution becomes over-saturated (when grains of salt begin to collect on the bottom and won't dissolve).  Set this solution preferably in a warm, sunny for a few days until all the water evaporates, though a cooler, more shaded place will work, as well.  Once all the water has evaporated, a crystal matrix of salt crystals may have formed or simply a white crust of salt crystals (which, unfortunately, is probably more likely).  If you don't feel like waiting, you could always make the solution in the pot and keep it over the stove/heat source until it boils down.  I don't really recommend this, though, for a few reasons...
-The salt might take a while to dissolve again, unless you scrub it, which would still probably be a little difficult (and could damage a non-stick pot)
-If it is a non-stick pot:
  -The finish on it could be damaged
  -Toxic fumes can be produced from the non-stick coating of pots if they are heated without liquid in them
 

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Re: Why isn't rain salty?
« Reply #4 on: 06/12/2012 22:59:09 »
An experiment that you can do to model this phenomenon, and there is a good chance that you have done this before, is to take a pot of water and bring it almost to boiling.  Then take it off the stove/heat source and pour it into another heat safe container, if you desire (for ease of cleanup, it's better if you can throw it away). Now start to slowly pour salt in while stirring, pouring as much in as possible but stopping before the solution becomes over-saturated (when grains of salt begin to collect on the bottom and won't dissolve).  Set this solution preferably in a warm, sunny for a few days until all the water evaporates, though a cooler, more shaded place will work, as well.  Once all the water has evaporated, a crystal matrix of salt crystals may have formed or simply a white crust of salt crystals (which, unfortunately, is probably more likely).  If you don't feel like waiting, you could always make the solution in the pot and keep it over the stove/heat source until it boils down.  I don't really recommend this, though, for a few reasons...
-The salt might take a while to dissolve again, unless you scrub it, which would still probably be a little difficult (and could damage a non-stick pot)
-If it is a non-stick pot:
  -The finish on it could be damaged
  -Toxic fumes can be produced from the non-stick coating of pots if they are heated without liquid in them

You could also take a bit of salt and bind it to a fishing wire, then place that hovering in a solution of saltwater, and just let it evaporate, the salt will make a large crystal on the already hovering salt crystal (:

Good ol' memory's from high school (:
 

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Re: Why isn't rain salty?
« Reply #5 on: 10/12/2012 00:06:49 »
if you want to prove that the salt does NOT evaporate with the water, then you should use the fishing wire procedure in the last posting, but suspend salt from 2 wires -- one dipping into the saturated solution, and the other held just above it but not touching the water. Salt crystals should grow on the first but not the second.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 06/10/2015 09:37:13 »
Thanks for the great answer! Certainly helped me with my science homework-Primary 5 Science Water Cycle.
 

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