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where have all the scientists gone?
« on: 16/06/2006 03:58:33 »
what happened to all the great scientist? whats the biggest breakthrough since 1925? how come nobody talks about logic and reason? why are all scientists obsessed with proving ridiculous equations and theories about events nobody has seen or have any evidence for? why is everybody trying to prove the universe has 26 dimensions and an infinite amount of possibilities and probabilities, how about trying to create something with practical applications not theories that are deamed practical because proving them is impractical. When will somebody say stop, thats nonsense!!

thank god for mean people says simon from american idol, why couldnt he be a physicist?


 

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« Reply #1 on: 16/06/2006 09:06:22 »
Jobs for the boys!

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Re: where have all the scientists gone?
« Reply #2 on: 16/06/2006 11:47:30 »
is it a theory?... Ahh! American Idol? Where'd that come from?!
If there's a way to make people become famous scientists, it probably involves the exact opposite of THAT show.

"Face and vocals, do not a musician make." - Yoda [^]

Seriously though, there've been more breakthrough medical discoveries in the past 50 years than any other 50 year period in history. Think about MRIs, CT, ultrasound, organ transplants, pace makers, artificial lungs and kidneys, chemo, the polio vaccine, new drugs, etc.

On the other hand, look at recent inventions, like the microwave oven, computers, lasers & CDs/DVDs/HD-DVD/Blu-ray, nano-tubes, nightvision, kevlar & new synthetic fabrics like poromeric imitation leathers and velcro, cell phones and communications satellites, jet airliners, cordless electric tools, the LED (light emitting diode), the internet, and so on. If you consider that those inventions were made by people, then you'll find that means great scientists exist in abundance. Whether or not you know their names off the top of your head doesn't mean they're "good", it means there are so many cool things being made today you can't keep track of all their creators.

We're living in a golden age of science, life is good.
 

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« Reply #3 on: 16/06/2006 11:53:32 »
The other factor you have to bear in mind is that any invention of any practical value these days is encased either in secrecy or patent protection (usually the secrecy is to prevent someone else patenting it before you can patent it), combined with national security sensitivities.  All of this limits the amount of real information that can be put in the public domain about anything of practical value, and when it is in the public domain, it cannot be freely used because that would be an infringement of some patent or other.



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« Reply #4 on: 17/06/2006 04:25:44 »
You dont get an answer before asking a question.

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« Reply #5 on: 20/06/2006 05:37:56 »
go live in 1925 and well see if you feel that life technologically is exactly the same.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 20/06/2006 07:24:01 »
Sure!  Ill even let you borrow my time machine ;)

The great scientists today are trying to discover the mystery of life, and trying to uncover all of the "whys" that the universe contains.  many theorys have been made on how the universe works, and some have been proven, like enstiens theory of general relativity.  But there are people still inventing and thinking of new things for this world, like in this topic, http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4314.

And with patenting, you could even make your own invention!  Have you ever seen the show, kind of related to american Idol, but different subject, called American Inventor?  That show is full of ingenuity, and also full of silly attempts at making money.  You could even be an inventor if you want to :)

E=MC2... m=deg/360 X C... C= PiD

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« Reply #7 on: 22/06/2006 19:49:17 »
there is still that older guy who can't talk

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Re: where have all the scientists gone?
« Reply #8 on: 02/07/2006 17:50:27 »
technology has advanced, the science behind that technology has slown to a crawl. Whats the greatest achievement in the literal science of things in the past 50 years? Im not talking about somebody making a better nuclear weapon based on einsteins equation e=mc^2, Im talking about some one realizing, hey mass equals energy. Theres a big difference. Compare the advancement of actual science of the past 50 years to the previous 50 years, and tell me science hasn't slown. Not to mention how many more resources people have now than 100 years ago! If you pick up a physics book from 1950, you might realize, Hey this is almost identical to the one published in 2000. I would know I have one.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 02/07/2006 18:55:49 »
Advancement hasnt really slown, its just that what we learnt 50 to a 100 years ago were just the basic's requiring more deep thought than technology .

These days we are moving on to the intermediate classes with many more new avenues of research ,requiring lots more research an development and the building of lots of expensive and hard to produce hardware.

Michael
« Last Edit: 02/07/2006 20:52:18 by ukmicky »
 

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Re: where have all the scientists gone?
« Reply #10 on: 02/07/2006 23:47:39 »
you start the post off by saying advancement hasn't slown, and then you spend the rest of the post giving excuses why it's slown. Heres a few reasons why it shouldn't slow down, there are many more people on earth, people have many more resources now and there are many, many more scientists and educated people. So, where have all the scientists gone.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 03/07/2006 00:59:02 »
Theirs more scientists and discoveries happening today than their ever was, itís just that most of the scientists are not working on things which make the headlines when something new is discovered
Also the discoveries from yesteryear were so fundamental to our basic understanding of life and whatís around us  that today everything new seems to be pale in comparison even though in reality they could be just as important or  could be one of the stepping stones to future discoveries of far greater importance to everything which came before.


Take a look at sites like

http://www.sciencedaily.com
http://www.newscientist.com


And see the all the areas of research of today,vastly out numbering what was being looked at 100 or even 50 years ago and then imagine how many scientists are required worldwide to research them.



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« Last Edit: 03/07/2006 01:49:52 by ukmicky »
 

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« Reply #12 on: 03/07/2006 03:13:09 »
quote:
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what happened to all the great scientist? whats the biggest breakthrough since 1925? how come nobody talks about logic and reason? why are all scientists obsessed with proving ridiculous equations and theories about events nobody has seen or have any evidence for? why is everybody trying to prove the universe has 26 dimensions and an infinite amount of possibilities and probabilities, how about trying to create something with practical applications not theories that are deamed practical because proving them is impractical. When will somebody say stop, thats nonsense!!



You say that you are talking about pure science, and not technology Ė but is not pure science all about ridiculous equations and theories about events nobody has seen or any evidence for.  Even today, many of the predictions of Relativity and Quantum theory have not actually been observed.  When Einstein first proposed relativity, the only observables he had to work with was (for Special Relativity)  the Michelson-Morley experiment that showed that light seemed to be coming towards the Earth at the same speed from every direction in the Sky, and (for General Relativity) a slight unexplained anomaly in the observed orbit of Mercury.  None of that was a great deal upon which to base two of the most radical theories of the 20th century.

There are a great number of similar anomalies upon which to speculate upon string theory, 11 dimensional universes, etc.  The problem we have today is not that we don't have people coming up with the theories, but it has become too difficult (and often too expensive) to produce the experiments to provide the further supporting evidence for one theory or another.



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« Reply #13 on: 03/07/2006 03:49:01 »
I bet you thats why the came up with the theory in the first place, it cant be tested. Genius
 

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Re: where have all the scientists gone?
« Reply #14 on: 02/07/2006 17:50:27 »
technology has advanced, the science behind that technology has slown to a crawl. Whats the greatest achievement in the literal science of things in the past 50 years? Im not talking about somebody making a better nuclear weapon based on einsteins equation e=mc^2, Im talking about some one realizing, hey mass equals energy. Theres a big difference. Compare the advancement of actual science of the past 50 years to the previous 50 years, and tell me science hasn't slown. Not to mention how many more resources people have now than 100 years ago! If you pick up a physics book from 1950, you might realize, Hey this is almost identical to the one published in 2000. I would know I have one.
 

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Re: where have all the scientists gone?
« Reply #15 on: 02/07/2006 18:55:49 »
Advancement hasnt really slown, its just that what we learnt 50 to a 100 years ago were just the basic's requiring more deep thought than technology .

These days we are moving on to the intermediate classes with many more new avenues of research ,requiring lots more research an development and the building of lots of expensive and hard to produce hardware.

Michael
« Last Edit: 02/07/2006 20:52:18 by ukmicky »
 

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Re: where have all the scientists gone?
« Reply #16 on: 02/07/2006 23:47:39 »
you start the post off by saying advancement hasn't slown, and then you spend the rest of the post giving excuses why it's slown. Heres a few reasons why it shouldn't slow down, there are many more people on earth, people have many more resources now and there are many, many more scientists and educated people. So, where have all the scientists gone.
 

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« Reply #17 on: 03/07/2006 00:59:02 »
Theirs more scientists and discoveries happening today than their ever was, itís just that most of the scientists are not working on things which make the headlines when something new is discovered
Also the discoveries from yesteryear were so fundamental to our basic understanding of life and whatís around us  that today everything new seems to be pale in comparison even though in reality they could be just as important or  could be one of the stepping stones to future discoveries of far greater importance to everything which came before.


Take a look at sites like

http://www.sciencedaily.com
http://www.newscientist.com


And see the all the areas of research of today,vastly out numbering what was being looked at 100 or even 50 years ago and then imagine how many scientists are required worldwide to research them.



Michael
« Last Edit: 03/07/2006 01:49:52 by ukmicky »
 

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quote:
Originally posted by thebrain13

what happened to all the great scientist? whats the biggest breakthrough since 1925? how come nobody talks about logic and reason? why are all scientists obsessed with proving ridiculous equations and theories about events nobody has seen or have any evidence for? why is everybody trying to prove the universe has 26 dimensions and an infinite amount of possibilities and probabilities, how about trying to create something with practical applications not theories that are deamed practical because proving them is impractical. When will somebody say stop, thats nonsense!!



You say that you are talking about pure science, and not technology Ė but is not pure science all about ridiculous equations and theories about events nobody has seen or any evidence for.  Even today, many of the predictions of Relativity and Quantum theory have not actually been observed.  When Einstein first proposed relativity, the only observables he had to work with was (for Special Relativity)  the Michelson-Morley experiment that showed that light seemed to be coming towards the Earth at the same speed from every direction in the Sky, and (for General Relativity) a slight unexplained anomaly in the observed orbit of Mercury.  None of that was a great deal upon which to base two of the most radical theories of the 20th century.

There are a great number of similar anomalies upon which to speculate upon string theory, 11 dimensional universes, etc.  The problem we have today is not that we don't have people coming up with the theories, but it has become too difficult (and often too expensive) to produce the experiments to provide the further supporting evidence for one theory or another.



George
 

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« Reply #19 on: 03/07/2006 03:49:01 »
I bet you thats why the came up with the theory in the first place, it cant be tested. Genius
 

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« Reply #20 on: 04/07/2006 04:58:26 »
there is nothing a scientist would like better than his theory proven correct with real testing.. to guess that a scientist came up with a radical theory, radical so that it just cant be tested, is insane. these arent con-men. thats what philosophers are for.
 

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« Reply #21 on: 04/07/2006 23:14:41 »
Wether people come up with theories for the purpose of not being able to prove it, is pretty impossible to know. Im sure all dont, and Im sure some do. Regardless of if they are trying to con people, or not, may not even be the big issue. Because even with less than sinister intentions, people aim their conceptual searches at things that are untested, and most things that are untested are untested because the are untestable. Look at the world of quantum mechanics, protected by the most untestable theory of all time, the heisenberg uncertainty principle. They can say ANYTHING they want to and you can't test it because the heisenberg uncertainty principle says, testing changes the experiment.
 

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« Reply #22 on: 04/07/2006 23:59:26 »
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Look at the world of quantum mechanics, protected by the most untestable theory of all time, the heisenberg uncertainty principle. They can say ANYTHING they want to and you can't test it because the heisenberg uncertainty principle says, testing changes the experiment.


Possibly the worst example you could have chosen. Check out Quantum cryptography for proof of the uncertaincy priciple.

I think i spelt it right.:)

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« Reply #23 on: 05/07/2006 02:46:43 »
How can you prove that something is untestable?

And even if you can prove that the heinenberg uncertainty principle is true, how does that make quantum mechanics theories any more testable?
 

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« Reply #24 on: 05/07/2006 03:51:33 »
ok no theory can be proved however it is testable through predictions. A theory it has to be able to predict things ,and unless you can come up with a theory which predicts things better then to challenge it is silly.

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