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weight loss and taste buds
« on: 23/06/2006 15:06:51 »
I have a dum Question. Something I noticed while trying to loose this excess weight.:)
  Do our taste buds play a role in how much food we eat or is that just all in my head?
  Example: When I am really sick my head gets stuffed and I cannot taste my food. It seems I can just eat and eat like a bottomless pit, there seems to be no satisfaction happening. Now say I am well, I eat at someones house where they use very little seasoning, seems I eat and eat again, but If I am eating very rich or fully flavored foods, I am alot easier satisfied and don't eat as much. It seems as if the spices and flavors are more satisfying to my brain. Do the spices turn off the hunger pangs? Changes food intake capacity maybe? Is there any real validity to this phenomenon or is it all in my head? Have there ever been any conclusive studies done on this theory?

  Thanks guys! Any anwers would be most helpful!....Karen


 

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Re: weight loss and taste buds
« Reply #1 on: 23/06/2006 16:29:39 »
Mam,

Even if it is in your head then the effect is true...be it psychosomatic or not...In My opinion.

Karen...if you yourself are experiencing these phenomena then there must be some truth to it eh ?...It is NOT a dumb question at all.

I would hazard a guess that YES, the nature of taste is to communicate to you and your body the emotion of pleasure in the flavour of such a thing.....this whole process culminates in letting you know when you've eaten enough.

If one is ill and the ' tasting ' mechanism is removed, then a part of the process is missing...there is a break down in communication and the message that you are full is slow to inform you.

I can imagine, in the case of very strong flavours that because they linger, your body may be fooled into thinking that it's still eating.

These are my speculations..and are not based on fact.....perhaps a passing' taste bud versus eating ' expert will contribute also.

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Re: weight loss and taste buds
« Reply #2 on: 24/06/2006 04:22:39 »
That would be cool. You have made some good points. I have been noticing this alot more over the past few months and have really been wondering about it. I don't really like bland food, but I keep eating it as if if I eat more, the flavor will get better, but it does not . So here sit I only wanting to eat tasty well seasoned foods. Not salt, I eat very little salt, but otherspices, garlic basil paprika, cumin etc.
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Re: weight loss and taste buds
« Reply #3 on: 24/06/2006 04:57:35 »
Karen, maybe that is why when you eat bland food you may add more seasoning too??  the body may be saying it taste better, but it may be saying it will be more satisfying to have what i want and not gorge anything else...interesting question...when i am not working so late i will research this...

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« Reply #4 on: 24/06/2006 06:53:25 »
Let me know what you find out. I will look further too! Meet you back here when I find out some more!...Karen
 

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Re: weight loss and taste buds
« Reply #5 on: 24/06/2006 12:34:02 »
Absolutely!  I will definitely do that...I do believe there is some significance to this..I keep thinking there is something I read upon this eons ago...but I will look around and see.

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« Reply #6 on: 24/06/2006 16:54:53 »
I am going to check out watkins seasonings, seems like I read something many years ago when the atkins diet came out too. I can't be sure, but we will see.
 

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Re: weight loss and taste buds
« Reply #7 on: 25/06/2006 04:48:34 »
there is a seasoning substitute...maybe it was for salt...it was pretty good if i recall..

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« Reply #8 on: 26/06/2006 14:20:29 »
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.


  Do our taste buds play a role in how much food we eat or is that just all in my head?
  Example: When I am really sick my head gets stuffed and I cannot taste my food.


Sense of taste is largely due to sense of smell, when your nose is blocked you cannot "taste" your food properly:-

" Taste is mostly smell. The tongue’s taste receptors identify only the basic flavours: sweet, sour, salt, bitter and umami. The finer distinctions are made high in the nasal passages ".
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6498
« Last Edit: 26/06/2006 14:21:34 by ROBERT »
 

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Re: weight loss and taste buds
« Reply #9 on: 26/06/2006 14:42:36 »
That could pose a problem as I do have sinus problems.I wonder if that is why I need so much flavor?
 

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« Reply #10 on: 26/06/2006 15:21:30 »
Robert is absolutely correct...(Of course !!!..gawd I hate him he knows so much !!...but don't tell him I told you so ok ?)..in fact I'm kicking myself for not picking up on it...considering I posed a related question a couple of years ago.

If you're having a problem smelling Karen..then  your ability to taste will also be affected and this indeed could be the reason why you need so much flavour...how long have you had sinus problems ?


I have no problem smelling...even the neighbours know when I am at home !! ...children run away from me !!:D

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« Reply #11 on: 26/06/2006 15:33:27 »
Saying the word "Umami" sounds like you are eating with your mouth full :):-

" What exactly is umami?

The flavour of food is determined by a number of different factors including taste, smell, colour, temperature and overall appearance, as well as by physiological or psychological conditions. Some of the most important factors are the basic tastes of sweet, sour, salty, bitter and umami.
It was Japanese scientist Dr. Kikunae Ikeda who first discovered that glutamic acid, an amino acid, was responsible for the umami taste of Konbu.
Although there is no English word for it, umami is a savoury taste imparted by glutamate and ribonucleotides, including inosinate and guanylate, which occur naturally in many foods including meat, fish, vegetables and dairy products.
The taste of umami itself is subtle. It blends well with other tastes to expand and round out flavours. Most people don’t recognise umami when they encounter it, but it can be detected when eating ripe tomatoes, parmesan cheese, cured ham, mushrooms, meat and fish. Umami plays an important role making food taste delicious. "

 http://www.umamiinfo.com/what_exactly_is_umami?/


 
« Last Edit: 26/06/2006 15:35:23 by ROBERT »
 

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Re: weight loss and taste buds
« Reply #12 on: 27/06/2006 06:58:22 »
I think Robert summed it up very well.  I am so impressed with his world of information!

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Re: weight loss and taste buds
« Reply #13 on: 27/06/2006 08:14:17 »
Well Neil,
   I have had sinus problems since about the age of 20. I thought I was getting allergies, then I got pregnant with numeral Uno and My problems got worse, as I was working on a flower farm. I naturally thought it because of all the pollen. I even got stuck on a nasal spray. Then weaned self off after finding out it was addictive.  I know they used a great deal of pestisides on the farm, so I don't know what I was exposed to there! I am so sorry for your odor problem and sad you scare the little kiddies away Sir! Must make note to send Neil some parfume so he smells tres terrific! I can't promise any spectacular scent  as nose must be having good day before snout can do its job with any percission, (not)! I just did a little sniffing for a nice scent and ended up with one I remembered from before I had these problems. I wonder if that contributes to weight gain or loss and if it has been checked by someone other then myself?
 I have reverted to a nasal spay several times over the years after not finding relief anywhere else. Especially during cold and flu season. I find it funny that I had no allergies pryor to firt pregnancy. After, no caffiene, walnuts. they give me hives, although I have had no trouble with tea. If I mix coffee and chocolate or just too much of either, then wham! Hives on the palms of my hands and the bottom of my feet. Doc said that allergies are common after one gives birth as the female body chemistry changes.

  Anyway, Mostly, it comes and goes. Sometimes I think I smell everything then others, I can't smell anything.
 
   Robert that is interesting.  That is a cool sight but I honestly had never heard of this. Very interesting anyways! Thanks Robert.
« Last Edit: 27/06/2006 13:39:50 by Karen W. »
 

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Re: weight loss and taste buds
« Reply #14 on: 27/06/2006 10:33:22 »
hmmm, interesting Karen, I think for the first time in my life I am experiencing stuffed up nose only in the mornings and have had a couple of headaches and I never get them...

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« Reply #15 on: 27/06/2006 15:23:03 »
That is interesting about your sinus issues Karen (Oh..BTW..I wasn't serious about my smelling...I'm a veritable oasis of roses and lilacs)...anyway..I too would have assumed it was the pesticides and/or pollens...and it is possible being preggy may have made you hypersensitive to all of that.

It's funny that as children...you usually grow out of your allergies but that also as adults...you gain some.

The only way to find out for sure Karen would be to go and see an allergy specialist who would conduct a whole myriad of tests upon you and then attempt to desensitize you.



What about your mattress ?...may i ask how old your mattress is young lady ?....the reason why i ask is that it's generally advised to change it every ten years or so.......and we all share our homes and pillows with those lovely dust mite pets !!

Robert is indeed an incredible resource...I have no idea where he gets half his information from but we are so pleased he does.... we luff you robert !!..YAYYYYYY !!!!

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« Reply #16 on: 27/06/2006 15:48:18 »
My matress is just 3 years old this summer! Pretty new I would say. I also have it Inside of a zippered vinal cover to help with the dust mite thing. I can wipe the cover down regularly when changing out the sheets.
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« Reply #17 on: 28/06/2006 01:58:42 »
Now you have my attention Karen...I like the matteress cover idea...I will buy me one and try that, but I am also about to purchase a very nice matteress soon...mine is not any good anymore...

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« Reply #18 on: 28/06/2006 03:47:51 »
quote:
Originally posted by moonfire

Now you have my attention Karen...I like the matteress cover idea...I will buy me one and try that, but I am also about to purchase a very nice matteress soon...mine is not any good anymore...

"Lo" Loretta



Wwwwaayyyyyy !!...:Dhee hee !!:D..I wonder how long your new mattress will last ?..:D:D:D;););)





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« Reply #19 on: 28/06/2006 04:48:57 »
THE ONE I HAD BEFORE I BOUGHT THE LAST ONE WAS 20 + YEARS OLD. WE GOT IT WHEN WE GOT MARRIED TOO. IT WAS SO WORN THAT YOU COULD TELL WHERE EACH OF US LAID, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU TURNED AND FLIPPED IT. AS YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT ABOUT ONCE A MONTH OR SO. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TIME FRAME. BUT IT WAS SHOT AND MY SENTIMENTAL VALUE, ( CHILDREN ALL BEING CONCIEVED IN THAT BED) HAD WORN OUT WITH MY BACK AND I HAD TO GET A NEW MATTRESS. I SLEEP MUCH BETTER IN THIS ONE. IT IS SOFTER THEN THE ROCK WE HAD.
  NEIL IS DEFINITELY  TIRED!  I'D SING YOU A LULLABYE TO PUT YOU TO BEDDY BYE, BUT MY CREEKY OLD TUNE SOUNDS MORE LIKE I'M HOWLING AT THE MOON, SO I WILL JUST SLINK AWAY AND SAY HAVE A NICE DAY!....KAREN
 

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« Reply #20 on: 29/06/2006 14:57:53 »
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

Well Neil,
   I have had sinus problems since about the age of 20....
Anyway, Mostly, it comes and goes. Sometimes I think I smell everything then others, I can't smell anything.
 

Loss of sense of smell is called "anosmia", it can be caused by sinusitis:-
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8758625&dopt=Abstract
« Last Edit: 29/06/2006 14:59:07 by ROBERT »
 

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« Reply #21 on: 29/06/2006 17:53:29 »
Really. Is that long o sound or short?
 What is the difference between sinusitus and allergies? I have always just lumped thenm together. I chew gum becauase it helps my nose to stay clear and helps my ears when I am feeling clogged.  Hummm! I just read that artical. What is "persistant mucosal disease in the surgical bed?" I need simplication, but 1rst I will try my hand at it. Is that where a disease of the sinuses stays after attempts to remove or treat said disease, go unchanged, so it just stays around in the sinus tissues? Are the sinus tissues the surgical bed?
 

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« Reply #22 on: 30/06/2006 15:12:07 »
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

Really. Is that long o sound or short?
 

The "o" in "anosmia" is short; same pronounciation as nozzle.

quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

 
 What is the difference between sinusitus and allergies?

Allergies can cause sinusitis, however there are other causes:-

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/s/sinusitis/causes.htm

quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

 I just read that artical. What is "persistant mucosal disease in the surgical bed?" I need simplication


The article refers to a surgical procedure where tissue has been removed to enlarge the airway.
 The site where the surgery has been performed is "the surgical bed".
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« Reply #23 on: 01/07/2006 09:52:40 »
That is an interesting site Robert! Thanks for clarification on those questions.  Sorry I am so late getting back to post to yours,  I had a busy couple of days!
  Gosh if they removed tissue to widen the airway that is cool. My nose is constantly giving me the business. When I was stuck on that darn nose spray I thought Jeeze that was what was my culprit, but Doc said no, That the rebound from that would pass and all would be well as my nasal tissues would renew themselves so to speak! So even before and still after having had the problem with the nasal spray, I still have bad sinus problems.
 

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« Reply #24 on: 03/07/2006 14:25:41 »
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

  Gosh if they removed tissue to widen the airway that is cool.

Before you sign up for surgery Karen,
 according to the above article on anosmia, only about half benefitted from surgery:-
" After surgery 52% maintained significant improvement in smell".

Surgery would be the last option.
There are two different types of nasal spray : anti-histamine and corticosteroid (steroid):-
http://www.sinusinfocenter.com/treatment_antihistamine.html
http://www.sinusinfocenter.com/treatment_steroids.html

« Last Edit: 03/07/2006 14:36:58 by ROBERT »
 

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