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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #100 on: 15/11/2013 13:19:43 »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html

Possible explanation : after the moon rock was given to Holland someone stole it and switched it a terrestrial one , (who could tell a switch had taken place , except a geologist ).

If you are suggesting Neil was distributing fake moon rocks, then all the specimens he gave out would be dummies, dummy. 
 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #101 on: 15/11/2013 13:20:33 »
Its just not possible for light from the Sun to create a "hotspot" on Aldrins boot where he is. There is only one explanation for this "hotspot" and that is from a studio light, there were no flash bulbs or back lights on the moon.

The surface of the moon is not matt-black : it reflects light from the sun.
The reflection of sunlight from the surface of the moon is the second source of light illuminating the shadow side of the lunar lander. [ The very reflective white spacesuit of the photographer may contribute to the "fill" on this occasion].

The this and other alleged anomalies on moon photos have been addressed before, in this forum and elsewhere. Maybe if you have spotted some new anomaly , (rather than regurgitating the work of other paranoid conspiracy theorists), it may be worth posting here , but other than that please don't bother wasting any more of your or our time posting about moon-hoax-conspiracy here.
 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #102 on: 15/11/2013 13:21:26 »
The surface of the moon is not matt-black : it reflects light from the sun.
The reflection of sunlight from the surface of the moon is the second source of light illuminating the shadow side of the lunar lander. [ The very reflective white spacesuit of the photographer may contribute to the "fill" on this occasion].
You only have to look at the lower surfaces of the suit and backpack to see this backscatter illumination. As you say, this stuff has been dealt with elsewhere; I suspect trolling.

or another psychiatric case   :(

KubricksOdyssey got his pseudonym from a film by Jay Weidner.

I've had a butchers at Mr Weidner's eponymous web-page apparently he (Mr Weidner) is a full-blown nut-case ...

Quote from: jayweidner.com
"The only people who call conspiracies ' theories' are the conspirators."
- Weidner's Third Law of the Universe
jayweidner.com

"Law of the Universe "  ;D

Quote from: mywot.com
jayweidner.com
Description:
DVDs, videos, books and articles concerned with alchemy, shamanism, the apocalypse, the transformation and transmutation of the human race and our true potential as human beings. Among the subjects discussed are Stanley Kubrick and his film 2001: A Space Oddyssey, J R R Tolkien, Peter Jackson and The Lord of the Rings, The Alchemy of Time, The Ka, the Ba and the Kabbalah, The God Star and much more. The books that Weidner has written include Mysteries of the Great Cross at Hendaye, A Monument to the End of Time and his DVD Secrets of Alchemy.
http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/jayweidner.com

So any disciple of Mr Weidner is seriously lacking in critical faculties : if Mr Weener Weidner is a successful alchemist why does he have to sell DVDs / books when he can turn base-metal into gold ?.
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #103 on: 15/11/2013 17:50:22 »
The problem for NASA was that although Kubrick was a US citizen, (a) he was a director, not an engineer and (b) his special effects teams were based in Shepperton, Bray, and Elstree studios, in the UK, so he wouldn't have been the first choice to fake anything in secret.

It's an interesting hypothesis, but you need a more plausible culprit.
 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #104 on: 19/11/2013 16:41:14 »




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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #105 on: 19/11/2013 16:49:30 »
The problem for NASA was that although Kubrick was a US citizen, (a) he was a director, not an engineer and (b) his special effects teams were based in Shepperton, Bray, and Elstree studios, in the UK, so he wouldn't have been the first choice to fake anything in secret.

It's an interesting hypothesis, but you need a more plausible culprit.

"Senior NASA Apollo administrator George Mueller and astronaut Deke Slayton are said to have dubbed "2001's" Borehamwood, England production facilities "NASA East""

The Special Effects of "2001: A Space Odyssey"
 By George D. DeMet
 Originallly published in DFX, July 1999
http://www.palantir.net/2001/meanings/dfx.html

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #106 on: 19/11/2013 17:02:19 »

Again no original observations : just regurgitating alleged-anomalies which have been dealt with before.

Normal in-camera effects explain flare-spots and fogging, you can see some on the moon-panorama I posted earlier in this thread : [ than lens-camera combo seems prone to flare when pointed 45o  from the sun ]. There is also the possibility of fogging the film when it was outside the camera , via light or radiation.
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #107 on: 19/11/2013 17:07:23 »
RD,

Here's your challenge:

Show me any video of a Lunar Rover Diver...

1. "moving" their body seated in the rover on the moon.
2. "getting in and out" of a rover while on the moon.

You cannot do either one.
 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #108 on: 19/11/2013 17:09:54 »
Rover drivers are always STILL and MOTIONLESS, proving they are fake.

One would think the Apollo 16 driver in the famous "Grand Prix" video would maybe wave or turn his head, but nope, hes MOTIONLESS as a dummy....

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #109 on: 19/11/2013 17:15:00 »
^ It's truly amazing how people fell for this "dummy driving a rover" crap.

 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #110 on: 19/11/2013 18:53:09 »
One would think the Apollo 16 driver in the famous "Grand Prix" video would maybe wave or turn his head ...

Yes that was careless of him not to look-out for other vehicles.  :)

Was it even possible for the wearer to turn the helmet of an Apollo space suit ? ...

Quote from: wikipedia.org/Space_suit
... One inconvenience with some space suits is the head being fixed facing forwards and being unable to turn to look sideways. Astronauts call this effect "alligator head."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_suit#Contributing_technologies


[ BTW you were looking for images of a lunar rover being unloaded , here's a YouTube of that.
...
]
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #111 on: 19/11/2013 19:26:27 »
 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #112 on: 19/11/2013 19:37:02 »
You would think for the billions spent they would have better fake photos.
 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #113 on: 19/11/2013 19:52:59 »
RD, do you see the crafty use of miniatures work they did yet?







 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #114 on: 19/11/2013 21:15:47 »
Phil Plait's "Bad Astronomy" is leading people in the wrong direction.

 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #116 on: 19/11/2013 21:55:45 »
So what do you think was the reason for faking so many landings, when only one or two would seem to be plenty?

And how did the 'Apollo 15' laser ranging reflectors (that are still in use around the world) get there?
 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #117 on: 19/11/2013 22:16:26 »
RD, do you see the crafty use of miniatures work they did yet?

Your memory is failing : I told you about the miniature effect that occurs with stereo-photography if the camera positions are further apart than human eyes


One would think the Apollo 16 driver in the famous "Grand Prix" video would maybe wave or turn his head ...

Did you find out whether it is possible for the wearer of an Apollo space-suit to turn the helmet  ?


Your "dwarf" astronaut is a normal-sized one kneeling ...



You're now scraping the bottom of the conspiracy-theorist-barrel.
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #118 on: 19/11/2013 23:12:14 »
You're linking* to images from the aulis website , who apparently rate the opinion of telepathic tat-seller Uri Geller ...

Quote from: aulis.com
One thing is clear the Moon shots may have been for real, but some of the photographic evidence appears to be crudely faked.

Uri Geller

Quote from: theguardian.com
[Uri Geller] designs a range of jewellery that he sells on QVC, creates pottery, exhibits his artwork around the world and he has written 15 books (and is just finishing his fourth novel).
http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2003/nov/08/features.jobsmoney1


[ * aulis won't be happy you're using their bandwidth without people seeing the adverts for their conspiracy-theory books and DVDs about the moon landings, and how the "face on Mars" was constructed by aliens, which they allege NASA is trying to keep secret ].
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #119 on: 20/11/2013 00:15:47 »

You're linking* to images from the aulis website

Uri Geller

* aulis won't be happy you're using their bandwidth

constructed by aliens

RD,

Are Logical Fallacies such as Guilt-by-association, Poisoning the Well and Ad-hominem all you have?

Fallacies
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

I link all my images to Imgur or photo hosting servies and rarely ever hotlink.unless I am pressed for time.

You haven't adequately explained any of this stuff.



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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #120 on: 20/11/2013 00:24:36 »
So what do you think was the reason for faking so many landings, when only one or two would seem to be plenty?

And how did the 'Apollo 15' laser ranging reflectors (that are still in use around the world) get there?

It's all a mystery.

However, we do know the Russians also have moon rocks. So evidently you don't have send men to the moon to get those rocks or deposit reflectors.

 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #121 on: 20/11/2013 00:40:36 »
... Guilt-by-association ...

You are reposting material from the aulis site by Jack D white, "All studies 2005/7 Jack White".
That's the same Jack D. White, (1927-2012) , who also claimed the Zapruder film was a fake.

So your source of information on anomalous moon images is from a paranoid geriatric, (such conditions are more common amongst the elderly). 

That's not "Guilt-by-association" : it's exposing the flakey source of your material.
BTW you've been reproducing old-Jack's "studies" here without giving him credit, (naughty naughty).
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #122 on: 20/11/2013 00:54:48 »
Your poisoning-the-well tactics are transparent RD

Photos presented are all from NASA, (not Jack White whoever he is.)

Genuine NASA photos (that anyone can verify) really have you reaching for excuses.



 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #123 on: 20/11/2013 01:27:33 »
... Photos presented are all from NASA, (not Jack White whoever he is.)



Your image http://i.imgur.com/nkv8rHx.jpg  is http://www.aulis.com/jackimages/redreflection.jpg
Your image http://i.imgur.com/hN03O6l.jpg is http://www.aulis.com/jackimages/12dinespotlight.jpg
Your image http://i.imgur.com/ObnlsvM.jpg  is http://www.aulis.com/jackimages/12lensflaresstudy.jpg

The Jack in "jackimages" is Jack D. White ... http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html

So like I said you're posting critical "studies" of NASA photos created by Jack D. White without giving him credit, (the text and processed images are his creations).
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #124 on: 20/11/2013 04:27:30 »

http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_5.html

Jack and his "Editor" should have done a course in optics , the "anomalous halo" around
the top half of the astronaut's shadow is a normal diffraction effect , see insert derived from ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arago_spot#Calculation_of_diffraction_images
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