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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #125 on: 21/11/2013 23:27:20 »
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #126 on: 22/11/2013 00:38:29 »
The spacesuits are pressurized, (inflated), which makes them stiff like a dummy / blow-up doll.
The wearers have to fight against the suit to deviate from the neutral position which has the arm out in front as if reaching for a door-handle (not hanging down by their side) and knees bent , (see the unoccupied pressurised suit below right)  ...



The jiggling Hassleblad (which is speeded-up) is not under such pressure to remain in the same position like the arms of the astronauts.
 
Even if  this ancient poorly-rated* Russian geezer has made “200 movies”  it would not necessarily make his (possibly nationalistic) opinion that the American rover footage is faked, true : no actual evidence of fakery offered by the elderly comrade.


[ * "Vsevolod Yakubovich" apparently has a poor-rating ..."1 vote (0%, 4801 Place)" ... http://www.kino-teatr.ru/kino/acter/m/ros/373757/bio/  ]
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #127 on: 25/11/2013 20:55:57 »
RD, I have a bridge for sale, wanna buy it?

Same mission, different rovers....

 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #128 on: 25/11/2013 21:37:38 »
Assuming the rover images are as described by you, a possible explanation is they are the same rover, not different as you allege, just that part of the rear left fender has been removed, e.g. to take home so the defect that made the right one fall off could be identified.

Even your favourite website "aulis" doesn't claim these are different rovers , just that part of rear fender has been removed for some unfathomable reason ... http://www.aulis.com/jackimages/17roverfinalcomp.jpg

Wasn't the footage of the departure from the moon recorded from a camera mounted on the parked rover ?, If so maybe they would need to add a camera to the rover and associated paraphernalia, causing it to appear different.

Re: "why was [the rover] parked so far from the LEM". They would need to park it some distance from the lander so the equipment broadcasting the departure on the rover (e.g. antennae) wouldn't be hit by debris as the lander blasted off from the moon ...


[ BTW Including a "selfie" doesn't help make your case ].
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #129 on: 25/11/2013 22:06:08 »
From Aulis....



Congratulations to R.D...



 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #130 on: 25/11/2013 22:48:36 »
I certainly wouldn't be too concerned with a shovel and rake being in one photo, and absent in the next.  Perhaps someone actually USED THEM.  In fact, it would seem more suspicious if all the tools and containers always remained the same.

The steering in the left photo appears to be in a neutral position.  In the right photo, it is turned to the max.  So, the steering linkages on the left side of the car look very elongated, and short on the right side of the car.  It is a strange looking steering linkage, but nothing looks too miraculous.  Going through a pile of photos from each trip, I would imagine a better history could be built.

When looking at the images, find some higher res images:
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-135-20542HR.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Apollo_17_rover_at_final_resting_site.jpg

So, sample bags and containers were mysteriously removed sometime during the mission...  hmmm.

And, shouldn't you find it extraordinary that the astronaut in the left photo wasn't left on the rover when it was left on the moon?

There is nothing in the photos that would indicate to me that the rovers weren't in fact used.  The patched fender likely fell off. 

The mesh tire design may throw regolith somewhat, making the fenders a useful addition (and thus hasty repair).
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #131 on: 25/11/2013 22:56:03 »
From Aulis....


You're still not giving old-Jack credit I see :(, not even by posting a link ... http://www.aulis.com/jackimages/17roverchanges.jpg

As I mentioned in my previous post if the rover was used as a platform to transmit the moon departure footage, equipment would be added to it after it was in its final parking place, making it appear different from when it was tootling about earlier.
( the apparatus between "2" and "7" on the picture on the right could be a camera pointed at the LEM ).
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #132 on: 25/11/2013 23:14:12 »
if the rover was used as a platform to transmit the moon departure footage, equipment would be added to it after it was in its final parking place
Good point.
If one was merely loading and unloading the rover, one would park it within a few feet of the lunar module.  Setting it back a few hundred feet likely was to get better views of the capsule when it took off, as well as protecting cameras and antennas.
 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #134 on: 25/11/2013 23:29:45 »
It all started back in '62....

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #135 on: 25/11/2013 23:32:51 »
You're still not giving old-Jack credit for finding the cut & paste earth...



That looks like blocky artefacts around the lit side of Earth created by lossy compression (e.g. jpeg format image).

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-134-20471HR.jpg

So we can add digital-artefacts to optics as subjects old-Jack did not comprehend.

There is generation loss when using lossy compression formats ...
, each copy adds more artefacts.


and if a story can be written in rhyme it must be true , right ? :)
That you're attempting to present a song as evidence to support your case shows you've lost your mind, (and your argument).
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #136 on: 26/11/2013 01:14:46 »
Here's a much less grainy image to start with.

http://agaudi.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/as17-134-20471hr.jpg

You have to seriously mess with the brightness/contrast on the photo, but one does find a little halo around the Earth.  Not square, but nicely rounded.



This is seriously pushing the maximum exposure of the film and film/digital conversion.  Presumably if you wished to get a better image, then one should, use a brighter light for the film/digital conversion, as well as a longer exposure period for the original image.

I presume what you're seeing is the thermosphere, which is pretty extraordinary that it is even picked up in the image. 

This would actually be more evidence that the photo is NOT faked.  If it was faked, one would merely cut out the little earth photo and paste it in, and one would miss the thermosphere altogether.

Why is it partly visible in the shaded portion?  That portion would still get sunlight, and would be hot.  However, fully shaded portion would be 200 to 250 degrees cooler, and not as bright, as well as not having any reflected light. 

I agree with RD that the square is probably just a compression artifact.
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #137 on: 26/11/2013 01:54:48 »
You have to seriously mess with the brightness/contrast on the photo, but one does find a little halo around the Earth.  Not square, but nicely rounded.

The aura/flare/halo around the Earth is what gives the conspicuous jpeg artifacts if you have a high compression ratio jpeg ...



My money would be on the aura/flare/halo occurring in-camera-lens, rather than an atmospheric effect,
(but I've never been to the moon).

The scanning [digitizing] of the film/print would have also introduced artifacts : the parallel (horizontal) lines.
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #138 on: 26/11/2013 09:53:02 »
 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #139 on: 26/11/2013 16:37:26 »

 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #140 on: 26/11/2013 16:41:31 »
Here's two more Apollo 17 rovers where paint schemes on the trays do not match.

Notice one rover has white paint around the screws while the other does not...

 

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« Reply #141 on: 26/11/2013 17:06:28 »
Only really two possible explanations for all the different rover continuity errors in Apollo 17.

Incompetence , or better answer is likely an inside whistleblower hoping someone at a later time would see all this obvious fakery.

The question posed by OP "Were the Lunar Rovers faked?" has been answered....



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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #142 on: 26/11/2013 17:36:25 »
The LRV fenders had retractable (and breakable) sections. The different paint schemes belong to separate interchangeable stowage units. For additional info see Boeing's LRV information press release.

If you actually tried verifying some of these fakery claims, you might learn something.
 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #143 on: 26/11/2013 19:08:54 »
Here's two more Apollo 17 rovers where paint schemes on the trays do not match.

Notice one rover has white paint around the screws while the other does not...



Using different types of black&White film , e.g. normal panchromatic Vs infra-red , is a possible explanation.

Is there a record of the film-types used ? 

If the film used was the same in both cases then a colour filter added to the lens can explain different renditions of the same object if it is coloured ...


http://www.ilfordphoto.com/aboutus/page.asp?n=60

Apparently NASA had some camera lens filters ...
Quote from: nasa.gov
In addition to the Hasselblad cameras, Apollo 8 carried a black and white television camera,
a 16mm motion picture camera, exposure meters, several types of filters, and other camera accessories.
http://history.nasa.gov/printFriendly/apollo_photo.html
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #144 on: 27/02/2014 07:33:08 »
This is interesting.... Could you field a question Dr. Calverd?
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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #145 on: 27/02/2014 08:08:41 »
Yes, if I found the subject matter the least bit interesting.
 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #146 on: 27/02/2014 20:08:54 »
Oops, never mind. I found the answer.... thanks though.
 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #147 on: 08/06/2014 01:54:24 »
 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #148 on: 08/06/2014 02:02:29 »
This is interesting...

Its extremely interesting.

Watching 97-99% of the worlds top name scientists succumb to the greatest hoax in the history of mankind is an incredible sight to witness.

Not to mention the billions of people that were hoaxed...


 

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Re: Were the Lunar Rovers faked?
« Reply #149 on: 08/06/2014 02:59:17 »


Have you never heard of Godwin's "law" ? ...
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... whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress. This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
 

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