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Do we really exist?
« on: 06/03/2013 06:46:02 »
What Really Exists….?
                           
Well…. We all say that our world is made up of matter. Atoms are what everything is made up of. But, then came a question to our mind…, ‘‘how did we or the atoms come into existence…?.” And then the answer was the big bang theory. My heart starts racing when I think of that particle that created the whole universe. But, let’s ask the real question now. What the hell was that particle doing there at the first place? What was the reason for that quantum point to exist? And the most important one, what was there before anything existed?
The answer to the last question is obviously ‘‘nothing”. Does that mean something spontaneously appeared in nothing? Well, yes sh1t did get real... hey! Then why doesn’t that happen anymore..? I mean if something that did not exist came into existence then why don’t my wildest fantasies come into existence? Who says they don’t, maybe they do come true in some universe that we cannot perceive yet…
Well there is something other than matter that exists in our universe too… for example you can take light, a form electromagnetic radiation that causes the sensation of vision. What about our mind? The way we think, the questions we ask…can matter do that..? Our brain is a complex network of neurons, working together, which helps us to think. Somehow that still feels incomplete or maybe I don’t want to accept that it’s just matter writing this. But, then there is another argument to this. What if everything is made up of mind? What if everything is just a projection? Well you can’t disprove the other argument either! In fact the second argument also answers a lot of questions!
I am going to discuss the second argument in detail now. Let’s go back to the time when everything began. At that point nothing really existed not even time. Now just try to think how ‘nothing’ would have been! It’s like trying to see a color that we can’t perceive! Then suddenly there was something that created everything. This must have been the creation of our mind! Well then you may as well ask that how did mind come into existence? Well, the best part is that it exists now, so it did not have to come into existence! Confused, right? We will soon come back to this statement and then it might make some sense.
In our present, let’s say that everything we perceive is our mind’s projection. Now that I consider that as true then it must be that everything that is happening is our thought. Yes, this must also be true. Does that mean that I can choose my reality? Yes! Of course because that is what the mind is all about. But then we don’t get to choose our reality in present day life. Well that happens because we are not the only one to accept a reality. There are lots minds which accept a particular reality. All these minds influence the actual reality. May be at the beginning there was a mind who accepted a reality wherein matter exerted a force on each other which we know as gravity. As there was no other mind to interfere with this reality, it continued to be true. Now this one mind might have thought of creating another mind that too accepts the same reality. This way a network of minds were created that were actually the creation of the original mind. Now let’s call this original mind as ‘O.M’ this way I can type it more easily. Let’s say that the O.M programmed his minds in such a way that they accept his chosen reality and then he thought of the mind that did not accept his reality, let’s call it the free mind or ‘F.M’. Now the F.M will choose another reality where matter repels each other. Now these two realities will contradict one another…but, they did not! Now if we are served a dish and it is covered and we are asked to guess what is under the cover. When we guess that there is an X dish under the cover we ‘choose’ a reality. But when we lift the cover and see the actual dish we ‘accept’ a reality. That is the system we use accept a reality! In the same way if the F.M accepted a reality where matter repels each other it means that the F.M never really perceived the O.M’s reality! We don’t know the system that the F.M uses to accept a reality (we humans use our sight to accept a reality). Now, let’s make it clear that two alternate or contradictory realities cannot coexist in the same universe (don’t make any conclusions yet). The reason why two contradictory realities cannot exist in the same universe is that, a mind can perceive all the realities that exists in one universe. If two contradictory realities are present in the same universe the mind then has to accept one reality of the two. If it accepts a weaker reality it still won’t be able to exert any noticeable influence on the stronger reality. But, however the mind has ‘accepted’ a reality which means that there is no influence of other minds on that contradictory reality. It is very important that we note the difference between ‘choosing’ a reality and ‘accepting’ a reality. A mind can ‘choose’ infinite number of realities in a universe but, in the same universe it cannot accept a reality that contradicts the dominant reality! If the mind does that it is not in the same universe anymore!
All the above stuff might or might not have happened… who knows? But, the reason for the above paragraph was just to make our concepts clear which will help us understand more complex concepts.
We all think that our universe came from the big bang. If we choose a reality wherein the mind says the world was created from a big bang, it might or might not be true. As we have not actually seen the process happening we cannot accept this reality completely ever. But, that does not mean that big bang never took place… it did surely take place! The big bang is just a reality of some X universe. But that does not mean that we are also from the same universe. There are basically infinite ways (even the most absurd ways) in which our universe could have come into existence. I can also say that our universe was created due to a ‘fart’…  Crazy? No! Reality is after all just a ‘projection’! And mind can project anything we can imagine! So, yes, there is one reality where our universe was created from a fart.
The universe we live in is a beautiful projection because of the dimension we call ‘time’ (4th dimension). The 4th dimension enabled us create our past! It is actually time because of which our reality exists. Well we can perceive the reality called as ‘time’ which in turn allowed our universe to progress. Now let’s not say that, “the universe where time does not exist itself does not exist!”… That would be wrong as we don’t know what is actually needed to allow a reality to progress. May be there are other elements which do the same function as that of time but work in an entirely different manner! Then why can’t we think of such other system? Well it’s simple because we are already accepting a reality i.e. we are perceiving time hence, we cannot accept another reality. Only if we can stop perceiving our current time frame we can then choose another time frame but, only thing is that, we would be in a different universe and it would be not possible for us to perceive the initial time frame. It might seem a little impossible to perceive something we cannot but, it is very true! As I said before a mind cannot accept two alternate or contradictory realities in the same universe, in the same way we cannot perceive another time-frame until we stop perceiving the current time frame! Now, isn’t it interesting to think that there is something other than ‘time’? But how do we stop perceiving time? If we stop perceiving time, time won’t stop but instead it won’t even exist! We will have to take to meditation in order to experience timelessness, won’t we? No one has ‘time’ for that!
Let’s talk about our day to day life. Lots of things happen that science cannot explain like telekinesis! There are believed to be people who can use their brain power to manipulate objects (say he bent a coin). We cannot deny this as; any object is only a projection. But, if the current reality states that objects cannot be manipulated like this why this did happen? The thing is that the telekinetic accepted a different reality! How? Well we all constantly skip our reality, that’s how! I assume that everyone is aware of the concept of parallel universe… If not, do not read further and search for the basic definition of parallel universe.
If you are reading this I assume that you know what parallel universes are. What the telekinetic did was he actually was accepting the reality where the coin was actually bent! The mind of the telekinetic actually traveled through a lot of realities to reach the desired reality! In these infinite parallel universes there has to be one universe where the coin was already bent and all the telekinetic person had to do is accept that reality. The thing is we can now say that we can change our reality according to our will. Yes it must be true if the telekinetic person could do it. But we don’t accept other realities so easily. We have lots of barriers in our mind; we constantly doubt our thoughts. ‘Doubts’ will always alter our reality! That makes our future kind of unpredictable. There are a lot of things we can do if we can successfully accept a desired reality. We can say that mind can project a reality. The telekinetic person could have even used a different approach to bend the coin. As I said earlier that, “reality is just a projection”. The telekinetic person can also project a different reality… it is same as accepting another reality. If his projection grows strong it basically changes into reality.
As humans, we follow a ritual of reproduction to generate new minds. All the minds again have a material body. So our material body is basically what makes us accept a reality. We accept what we see. Let’s say that a person claims that he can levitate a car using his mind power. Now a car has no mind so it won’t cause any obstruction in the person’s task. But the other minds will… if the person (assume his name was Albert) mentally projected the car in air. Now as the car is just a projection, Albert can claim that he has levitated the car. But other people will simply deny as they all think it is not possible for the car to go against the gravity i.e. the normal minds will mentally project the car to be on the ground. Now that exactly is our problem! What chance does Albert’s mind have before of all these other minds? They together can overrule Albert’s projection. That’s why if Albert is a normal person with a normal mind his mind won’t be able to lift the car. On the other hand if Albert has a powerful mind he may be able to project a stronger reality.
When I earlier said that, “two alternate or contradictory realities cannot coexist in the same universe” I was actually not correct. In fact, this can happen if there is equal amount acceptance to any two or more realities. Basically, opposite facts can come true in a universe where both the realities are equally welcome. So, yes there is one universe where matter may either repel each other or attract each other. In fact, two or more contradictory or alternating realities can merge in the same universe but it must be a universe where there is no dominant reality. Till now there actually seems no point in studying the current laws of physics! If the second argument is true there is actually no point in expounding the properties of modern science….
There are lots of other interesting points to note about this second reality! This actually answers the question of our existence. It answers the concept of ‘God’. It explains the unexplained phenomenon we call as ‘miracles’. Anything is possible this way. Our projections are what create our reality. May be that’s why every concept in science we know till now seems to be right. Our doubts were also constantly proving the older scientific discoveries wrong. New and better theories were just formed because of projection of an alternate reality! In short maybe we were just denying the fact that scientific ways can be bent. And in order to keep up with a dominant reality (i.e. miracles don’t take place) our minds must have chosen an alternate reality.
Also you can view this theory in another way. Now consider a case where Albert tries to find a rock that no mind has ever seen. So, he enters a forest and digs out a rock five feet from under the ground. Now let’s assume that the rock was not seen by any other mind. Now Albert tries to levitate the rock using his mind power. As no other minds were present to interfere with this projection the rock must be projected in the air. But, now let’s say the rock still did not move. This will happen because the rock is a part of projection of the stronger reality. Although no mind has ever seen it, the fact that it interacts with other projection tells us that it follow the same laws of physics (which means it is a part of the dominant reality). But, Albert now comes up with an easy way to levitate a rock using his mind power. How? Easy! He finds a rock that does not interact with other projections! I.e. he projected an entirely new rock and managed to levitate it. The beauty in this is that he won’t violate the first condition i.e. no other mind has seen the rock. So, basically his projection, which was a pure reality, was easily manipulated. We can experience this in our daily life too. If a person imagines an object he is basically projecting a reality and other people cannot see it as they do not accept that reality. So, every object we imagine of exists for us, only. If every other mind started accepting the existence of that imaginary object it actually comes into existence for those minds. Now, if you see the beauty behind it, you can claim that any imaginary object exists. The moment other minds accept it; it comes into existence for them too. It is exactly similar to the way a dumb child is treated in a school. The school focuses on the brilliant child while the dumb child continues to be a negligible part of the school. People want to see the brilliant child not the dumb child… so not every one ever realizes that the dumb child exists!
Now, let’s have a small discussion on what we call ‘universe’. We may define a universe a system to support the existence of mind. We think that the universe is a large space filled with vacuum and other stuff. Well… think again! That’s what we choose to perceive! There could be infinite ways to how a universe could look. The only way we can perceive other universes is when we stop perceiving ours. Also all the universes will require a specific system to progress (we call ours as ‘time’).
There are a lot other things I can say about this other argument. Also there aren’t any other arguments that I can think of that can prove this theory false! I am not claiming that this theory is true about our universe but, then again I even don’t have any other facts that can prove my theory false. This second argument provides believable facts about everything unexplained. I am not asking anyone to approve my theory but, I just want everyone to think about it for once and I wish that you all see for yourself the questions it answers. I am sure you all can relate yourself with this theory. This may answer a lot of question about good or bad luck, coincidences, failures etc…!
I hope that my theory or the argument about the mind gave your brains a tick!
-    Infinite Mind.
(PS: I was a kid when I wrote this stuff)
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Re: Do we really exist?
« Reply #1 on: 06/03/2013 13:17:44 »
Your theory is based on atoms. There are lesser particles than atoms. Virtual particles appear from nothing. Plus other theories have different particles. Some theories start from nothing. The best thing to do is figure out what nothing really is.
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Re: Do we really exist?
« Reply #2 on: 06/03/2013 17:08:59 »
If you do not exist, except perhaps in my mind, how come I do not exist, except in your mind?

You can theorise on this sort of thing until the imaginary cows come home, but it wont get you anywhere.
 

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« Reply #3 on: 08/03/2013 16:49:23 »
Sure emotions exist, and they at times sharply define what you feel, and are prepared to do. But that is to be human, and interact, or not. It doesn't make for alternate universes though, as it it 'you' (and 'me' too naturally:) experiencing them under a arrow, outcome after outcome, defining the history of ones life, in the end becoming a memory to later generations.
 

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Re: Do we really exist?
« Reply #4 on: 09/03/2013 09:11:25 »
well...this was just an alternate theory on the origin of our universe  ;D...  and the facts that I provide also cannot be denied... the theory might be too much to take but, one still can't prove it wrong...
 

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Re: Do we really exist?
« Reply #5 on: 09/03/2013 17:23:57 »
Well, Infinite Mind - good though over there. My reply might turn out to be bigger than the post itself, so i'll try my best to restrict myself from writing too huge, a reply.Besides, i may hop onto diff topics being talked about in the post, according to their relevance or importance.

I can also say that our universe was created due to a ‘fart’…  Crazy?
^ yep.  it is not crazy, since the Big Bang is supposed to be an explosion i.e. sudden release of high amount of stored energy, which basically also happens in a fart. so technically, its not at all wrong.

Our doubts were also constantly proving the older scientific discoveries wrong. New and better theories were just formed because of projection of an alternate reality!
^ Trudat* in science, accepting doesn't take place, rejecting does. for eg - Newton proposed law of gravitaion - among all the other existing papaers, his was the most crrect, so other papers were rejected . But when Einstein proposed his Gravitation's principle / explaination, Newton's got scrapped out.

Now the whole main topic, i.e. multiverses, and projections stuff-
Firstly, i wuld recommend you all a trilogy - Conversations with God.  Many things are answered and explained quite convincingly.
Now, coming back to what i have to say -
Multiple realities - yes. they might exist.

The O.M and F.M theory , i would like to elaborate with a different perspective, and with a more 'used to; reality.
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Like we all know, every coin has two sides. Every pro has to have a con. Now here's the glitch in the system we live in. We cannot understand the pro, until we experience the con. So to understand and experience what 'good' is,   one has to understand and experience what 'bad' is. Agree? So hang onto it for now. Besides, lets call it the X-theory.
Now the journey gets real hard. So keep up the pace , and try to understand exactly what i want you to.
In the very  beginning, there was Everything ( can be termed as god, if u want to)  or ' All-That-Is' (ATI) . Now ATI was conceptually aware that it existed, but wasn't aware practically. So in order to experience 'existence', it had to become 'non-existent', i.e. 'All-that-is-NOT' (ATIN) ; according to X-theory. So, ATI, divided itself into two parts - ATI and ATIN .The sole objective behind doing this, was that ATI could experience its magnificence  of existing. So, thus began a journey of ATIN to get to ATI, and regain its complete magnificence. This too wasn't easy. In order for the supreme Everything/ God ( consisting of both ATI and ATIN) to experience itself.  it again divided the ATI and ATIN into smaller pieces, each less significant, than the previous ( since significant is a relative term, and requires a reference point to  be pointed out) .
And then to re-create itself, in order to experience itself, the Supreme everything, like i said, fragmented itself, which is nothing but the matter around, including us. The reason why we exist, acc. to the Supreme everything, who is  us, and what we are, ( i.e. we=supreme everything ans supreme everything =us) , was to  experience itself, practically this time, and thus to re-discover itself. The whole thing fits if considered to be a cycle. We were the supreme everything, we fragmented, became different souls, wherein the experience of being the supreme everything was deleted, and then as souls, we re-discover the forgotten experience  of being the supreme everything, thus regaining the feeling of being and thus being the Supreme everything, which was nothing but the starting point of the circle.


The rock thing -
When you call something a 'reality', and then defy it, it cannot be a reality. so 'Truth' i suppose serves the purpose to a greater context. And yes, 2 truths can exist at  a time for eg- a glass half filled with water, is a glass that is half water-free.  And two 'truths' existing at the same time is termed as 'dichotomy' .
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Re: Do we really exist?
« Reply #6 on: 10/03/2013 10:02:01 »
"When you call something a 'reality', and then defy it, it cannot be a reality". Well I will have to say that you are a extremely wrong... you can always accept something as a 'reality' and then defy... you basically change your reality....
The term 'truth' is a very inappropriate substitute for the word 'reality'...why..? because, truth is like a fact that exists in a universe...now when you claim that two truths can exist in the same universe you are right but, think about the example I gave about gravity....you cannot say that it is true that matter attracts each other and it is also true that matter repels each other, at the same time..!(please don't give me an example of a magnet...!!!)  this can happen in two different universes only!!! :(!...Please read the theory carefully and think for sometime before making such statements... :) no offense!
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« Reply #7 on: 10/03/2013 12:24:36 »
Multiple existences cooperating to a common thread.  As time progresses forward certain events take place and we change the state of the world. If at a discrete time period, we do not record/measure our progress we can reverse time and expect us to be back at the beginning in an original state.  However since each of us is a measurement device, each of us imparts changes on the state of the world that ensures any time reversal will never find us back at the beginning in an original state.  Each of us creates complexity to the world.  Your goal is to create your own reality to the best that you can.  Each person has their own reality and that reality creates complexity for all others.  Your goals your aspirations can be realized accepting that the other complexities exist and are part of your ideal path enabling you to fruition.  If you choose to leave your "life" your reality will make it so and you will find the heaven you imagine.  If you choose to have "life" eternal events and people and possibilities will fall into place to make it happen.  If you choose to despair your desperation will solidify into your private hell, with all the other realities helping make it happen.  Your choice makes your life happen.  Imagine greater. 
 

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« Reply #8 on: 11/03/2013 03:45:35 »
 Expectant_Philosopher...that is what I am trying to say... ;D
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« Reply #9 on: 12/03/2013 07:38:36 »
This one is going to be short.....
I would like to discuss about rejection of a reality...but, before that think what would happen if we rejected a reality..! this is a very interesting thing that happens..If we reject our current reality our mind will basically forget all the realities but, along with that our mind does not accept any other reality (when we accept a reality other than our current reality we just change our universe). So, what happens to our mind then?! this is a very difficult question! well, our mind will be pushed in a limbo... from there on our mind does not exist in any universe as we have not yet accepted any reality!   Also it is not destroyed!... but it can come to existence once it chooses and accepts a reality...but, the question is can it do that when it is in a limbo? (anyone is welcome to provide a correct explanation :) )....
 

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Re: Do we really exist?
« Reply #10 on: 12/03/2013 19:11:16 »
@ Infinte Mind  - is this wat u r trying to say : - all our current discussions are based on the 'currently-accepted-reality' , that, we create our universe as per, what 'reality ' we accept. So if we forget all the realities, including 'the 'currently-accepted-reality'' , what will be the outcome?
^ Well, indeed its impossible to know. because, it is like the schrodinger's cat.
                  OR
it can be this way, that b4 forgetting all the realities, we accept pre-conditioned reality, that ' if' we forget all the crrently accepted realities, we will accept an 'XYZ' reality.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 13/03/2013 04:01:54 »

it can be this way, that b4 forgetting all the realities, we accept pre-conditioned reality, that ' if' we forget all the crrently accepted realities, we will accept an 'XYZ' reality.
well you can say this but, that won't be same as being pushed into a limbo...to avoid a limbo the mind will be just pushed into another reality(XYZ).... According to me our existence will be imperceptible (when in limbo) and hence no mind could possibly think of us....Also when in limbo there is no flow of time or a system similar to time. It is difficult to think how one can function without time...! So, a mind in limbo is same as mind destroyed...! Agree...?
 

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« Reply #12 on: 15/03/2013 05:57:04 »
Can anyone refer me a book or link that could help me with quantum mechanical math..?
 

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« Reply #13 on: 30/03/2013 12:29:54 »
You know how we use different methods to solve a Rubik's cube.... which ever method we use the main goal is to make the Cube perfect...In the same way aren't all the living creatures trying to become perfect. which ever way we use we are actually trying to reach perfection... So, just as in the case of a Rubik's cube are all the life forms trying to reach a common goal..?
But, what will happen when all possible parameters of the universe are studied? what happens once we are perfect..? will every thing be scrambled, once again, when we reach perfection? These are some few questions that are very difficult to answer...
 

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« Reply #14 on: 01/04/2013 17:50:13 »
Perfection ain't destination, its a journey.
so one can't 'reach' perfection. i
 

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« Reply #15 on: 02/04/2013 18:06:23 »
What Really Exists….?

Depends upon what the word "Exist" means.

I've discovered myself reading this post and, of a truth, there "Exists" within me the question "Why waste my time?"

Conclusion: Because the question arose, "Why waste my time?" the question most certainly "Exists". And because the question exists, I'm reassured that I do as well.
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« Reply #16 on: 02/04/2013 18:36:50 »
I can prove that we exist just with a sum...

1 + -1 = 0

Which shows that zero is made from things. It is the English language that calls zero nothing.

It's a simple answer. It's 100% correct, you can't have nothing, only infinity. Newton's law says that all actions have an equal and opposite reaction.. so 1 + -1 = 0 is that an action has an equal and opposite reaction to create nothing.

If zero = zero then there is no equal, and opposite reaction. So it fails Newton's 3rd law. In fact you cannot have any sum with no opposite sum.

1 + 1 is wrong
2 + 2 is wrong

No equal and opposite reactions.
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Re: Do we really exist?
« Reply #17 on: 12/04/2013 13:57:48 »
Perfection ain't destination, its a journey.
so one can't 'reach' perfection. i
This is a dialogue from the Shiva trilogy...-_-
perfection isn't a journey in all cases dude..read the example again and you don't know that..
 

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« Reply #18 on: 12/04/2013 14:04:07 »
What Really Exists….?

Depends upon what the word "Exist" means.

I've discovered myself reading this post and, of a truth, there "Exists" within me the question "Why waste my time?"

Conclusion: Because the question arose, "Why waste my time?" the question most certainly "Exists". And because the question exists, I'm reassured that I do as well.
my friend, you have your set of opinions and I respect that but, I don't think that you got my concepts....
 

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« Reply #19 on: 13/04/2013 03:43:50 »
the theory might be too much to take but, one still can't prove it wrong...
With a title like InfiniteMind, you should know that challenging someone to prove that your theory "isn't wrong" is not the proper scientific method. The proper scientific method discovers facts thru repeatable  observation. You can't claim that something is right just because it can't be disproved.
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« Reply #20 on: 13/04/2013 04:19:08 »

my friend, you have your set of opinions and I respect that but, I don't think that you got my concepts....
Your concepts are little more than philosophy IMHO, and may be more suited to the chat section.
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« Reply #21 on: 13/04/2013 09:18:28 »
the theory might be too much to take but, one still can't prove it wrong...
With a title like InfiniteMind, you should know that challenging someone to prove that your theory "isn't wrong" is not the proper scientific method. The proper scientific method discovers facts thru repeatable  observation. You can't claim that something is right just because it can't be disproved.
ADVICE TAKEN..! :)..Sorry about that I don't know much about the scientific ways :P
 

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Re: Do we really exist?
« Reply #22 on: 13/04/2013 16:32:21 »

ADVICE TAKEN..! :)..Sorry about that I don't know much about the scientific ways :P
No problem InfiniteMind, and to make it clear, I have no problem with philosophy in it's proper venue. Without the imagery that philosophy brings to the mix, many scientific discoveries would likely, not have been found. So I'll render to the philosopher his just do for birthing new ideas.

The advance of information and science has a workable format. First one has an idea such as yours. As these ideas are woven together in one's mind, a philosophical construct may take form and shape. When earlier proven scientific facts are applied to these new ideas, a hypothesis may give birth. But even a hypothesis is not ready to become a Theory unless repeatable evidence which can be tested by peer review is proven.

You may have taken the first step in this process. However, to advance your ideas, there are several important steps that need to follow. If you apply you effort in this required method, and find support from peer review, you might be successful. To this end,..................I wish you much luck. 

 

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Re: Do we really exist?
« Reply #23 on: 06/05/2013 04:54:33 »


The O.M and F.M theory , i would like to elaborate with a different perspective, and with a more 'used to; reality.
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Like we all know, every coin has two sides. Every pro has to have a con. Now here's the glitch in the system we live in. We cannot understand the pro, until we experience the con. So to understand and experience what 'good' is,   one has to understand and experience what 'bad' is. Agree? So hang onto it for now. Besides, lets call it the X-theory.
Now the journey gets real hard. So keep up the pace , and try to understand exactly what i want you to.
In the very  beginning, there was Everything ( can be termed as god, if u want to)  or ' All-That-Is' (ATI) . Now ATI was conceptually aware that it existed, but wasn't aware practically. So in order to experience 'existence', it had to become 'non-existent', i.e. 'All-that-is-NOT' (ATIN) ; according to X-theory. So, ATI, divided itself into two parts - ATI and ATIN .The sole objective behind doing this, was that ATI could experience its magnificence  of existing. So, thus began a journey of ATIN to get to ATI, and regain its complete magnificence. This too wasn't easy. In order for the supreme Everything/ God ( consisting of both ATI and ATIN) to experience itself.  it again divided the ATI and ATIN into smaller pieces, each less significant, than the previous ( since significant is a relative term, and requires a reference point to  be pointed out) .
And then to re-create itself, in order to experience itself, the Supreme everything, like i said, fragmented itself, which is nothing but the matter around, including us. The reason why we exist, acc. to the Supreme everything, who is  us, and what we are, ( i.e. we=supreme everything ans supreme everything =us) , was to  experience itself, practically this time, and thus to re-discover itself. The whole thing fits if considered to be a cycle. We were the supreme everything, we fragmented, became different souls, wherein the experience of being the supreme everything was deleted, and then as souls, we re-discover the forgotten experience  of being the supreme everything, thus regaining the feeling of being and thus being the Supreme everything, which was nothing but the starting point of the circle.

well, I thought about this theory and I realized that there is a flaw in your theory. You say that we cannot understand the pro until we experience the con. But, have you ever thought about how you are going to experience the con in first place? even if you do experience the con who are you to decide that it's a con. "So to understand and experience what 'good' is,   one has to understand and experience what 'bad' is"... this is what you say...but, how can you define something as bad or good. our definitions are flawed. then you say ,"to experience existence we have to be non exisent"..what if I define our current condition as non-existence and vice versa? If you say that I was once non- existent and then I existed but then, how did I experience non-existence with experiencing it's other side?...So, in short your theory is a paradox... there is no pro and neither is there a con.. they are just barriers we create.
 

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Re: Do we really exist?
« Reply #24 on: 16/03/2015 22:11:28 »
What I had learnt from from you guys all is:
From infinite mind, no doubt your imagination power is too good I like your idea of everything as a projection. To the extent I had understood you want to say it is universe that has created our mind and our mind cannot simply figure out because we are habituated to this universe. There are some cases in psychology where people think they don't exists, although they can tell about their past stories, may be he has the power to separate his left hemispherical brain from his right and we didn't got that power, we assume he is crazy but it could also be true that we are crazy and he is the only correct one. You are good at mind and you probably know about "The secret" I assume.

From Jigsaw, I like the way you explained how complex it is to understand how and why something exists using the cycle, I really liked it. It is good to hear that there are people who are going by different means to answer this question because direct way is almost impossible to understand. Its like selecting the correct answer from Multiple choice question by rejecting, using the fact that others can't be correct.

From Pincho, I think he simply wants to states that Why should something exist when we know that nothing really exists. Hmmm! quite amazing thought because each equation has sign of equal(=) if we take all to either of the side it will result zero. According to him everything finishes in this universe only, and there is symmetry to every asymmetry or vice-a-versa.

Well thank you guys thanks a lot. Gain knowledge from wherever you get.
 

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