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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #25 on: 18/04/2013 09:22:35 »
This sounds a LOT like how you project a hologram. Am I off base here?
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #26 on: 18/04/2013 17:03:07 »
You better explain how you think there, then we'll see what we agree on :)
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #27 on: 18/04/2013 19:02:44 »
Teleporting a photon (a photon is the smallest measurable unit of light) using quantum entanglement (QE). When two photons are entangled on a quantum level the changes in “particle A” create changes in “particle B”. Regardless of the physical distance between them. This has been proven at the particle level.

In 2009 scientists at the University of California manged to demonstrate QE by linking the electrical currents of two super-conductors which were large enough to be seen by the naked eye. Before this time QE had only been observed at much smaller levels.

The entangled particles somehow contain or transmit information with no contact. Each object then contains information about the entire entangled system. The only other structures that exhibit this phenomenon are called holograms. Holograms are two dimensional surfaces that show precisely detailed three dimensional images of real objects.

Which makes sense to me going back to what I have already been thinking on how the universe is constructed - the holographic principle.

Leonard Susskind on the Holographic principle

UC Berkeley's Raphael Bousso on the Holographic principle

And Wikipedia article on the Holographic principle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle [nofollow]

There are things in theology that I have linked to this in particular. I came across this idea when I was sitting on my front porch trying to figure out what tells the cement to stay/be cement and separate from the iron railing going down the bath that is grounded into it. So i closed my eyes and visualized a myriad of different possibilities. The only logical explanation I have found thus far is that on the smallest level (quarks/bits quantum/photon/etc) that the stuff at that level has a certain amount of programing of sorts. This programing can understand the programing -like a computer- from other stuff that may be slightly different. The slight differences in the programing pave the way for the stuff to put in one file and separate from other files. Although the stuff is all in one big folder in the end regardless of having separate files. That one big file being the computer itself. The computer at this level would require to understand all of the files within it and could accesses all of the files within it at will.

This made me think of how holograms are formed. I then asked a friend of mine about it who had mentioned about seven years ago about the holographic principle. He then told me what I was describing is very similar to the holographic principle. So I decided to do some research on it.

Throughout all of my research I had a nagging thing on the back of my mind. That thing was my memory of all the studies I have done in theology/mythology/legends/and the like. There are a few things that all of these topics (theology etc) have in common if you go to their furthermost roots in their development. There is a certain amount of "oneness" being connected to the "all", the "big spirit", a reference to being in (as in not "akin to", damn it, its WITHIN the image) the image of god, that this (god) greater consciousness was infinite. Then I remembered something I read about hermes trismegistus from the "Kybalion".

Wiki article on the Kybalion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kybalion [nofollow]

Aside from "the principle of gender" this train of thought actually relates to all of the things I have been thinking. We all know everything but we know nothing we are just figments of our own belief. In hypothesis, if we all stopped believing each other existed we would cease to exist. Our mind is a thing we can train. What are we training? The file system within our self- is the best way I know to describe it. This file system is similar to how the universe works (there have been multiple studies that have lead to the human brain works similar to a holographic storage device), and seeing that the everything (including us and rocks and trees etc) are part of this everything, "the all" we could, in hypothesis- train our mind to affect the stuff around us.

This is where my mind is going at this point. sorry for the terrible writing (run on sentences etc)- eek.
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #28 on: 18/04/2013 21:21:40 »
The entangled particles somehow contain or transmit information with no contact.
Do you mean I am entangled with my brother every time he calls me by phone?  :)
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #29 on: 18/04/2013 21:28:36 »
as long as that it is not lude- then yes. btw the dictionary here is not picking up the word lude- that indeed, IS a word...
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #30 on: 19/04/2013 14:00:21 »
Quote from: faytmorgan
after some further reading - yup- i was wrong there. if the force is just the string holding the ball from flying off than yup i was wrong. i may look into taking advantage of quantum entanglement, and i need to read general relativity again- its been too many years since i have brushed up on it thoroughly.

any other ideas?
A centripetal force is merely the force required to move an object in a circle or a circular part of a trajectory. The force could be the gravitational force or an electromagnetic force. A charged particle moving perpendicular to the field lines in a uiform magnetic field causes the centripetal force in that case. For a satelite moving around the earth its the gravitational force. The force required to hold an object moving along a solid object (e.g. roller coaster) is electric in nature, as is the force exerted by a string.
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #31 on: 19/04/2013 15:16:25 »
Quote from: faytmorgan
after some further reading - yup- i was wrong there. if the force is just the string holding the ball from flying off than yup i was wrong. i may look into taking advantage of quantum entanglement, and i need to read general relativity again- its been too many years since i have brushed up on it thoroughly.

any other ideas?
A centripetal force is merely the force required to move an object in a circle or a circular part of a trajectory. The force could be the gravitational force or an electromagnetic force. A charged particle moving perpendicular to the field lines in a uiform magnetic field causes the centripetal force in that case. For a satelite moving around the earth its the gravitational force. The force required to hold an object moving along a solid object (e.g. roller coaster) is electric in nature, as is the force exerted by a string.

yep- i was wrong there. thoughts about the similarity to a hologram?
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #32 on: 19/04/2013 15:39:15 »
I'm not sure, A holographic image is a wave phenomena as I get it, and sure, you might think of photons as waves (wave packets) if you like. But the holographic theory? Would that be a wave definition then? As I get it the definiton expect two dimensions to exist, from where we get our third, and a arrow?
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #33 on: 19/04/2013 15:54:12 »
What I'm saying is that a wave is dimension less. Then again, I'm not that good on defining a holographic universe, maybe we have someone that can do it in simple terms?
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #34 on: 19/04/2013 23:58:34 »
Did you watch the you tube videos i posted?
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #35 on: 20/04/2013 03:26:03 »
Did you watch the you tube videos i posted?
Not yet. I've been having problems with my PC. Internet Explorer and FirFox have been running as slow as molasses for some reason. I can't figure out why. I scanned my system with Ad-Aware and found no problems. I tried to download Spybot but got errors so I can't use that program to see if there are problems with my system. Any ideas anybody?
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #36 on: 20/04/2013 04:11:17 »
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« Reply #37 on: 20/04/2013 10:09:27 »
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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #38 on: 20/04/2013 10:13:41 »
And no, I don't use U-tube at all with my connection :) Too expensive. So, either we need a good explanation, or we need to go out and create one here :)
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #39 on: 20/04/2013 10:16:26 »
the problem is with the nomenclature there. People using far and near fields either know when it's appropriate and have a physical meaning, or they don't, parroting it. I prefer as simple words as possible, some may seem simple, from studying the holographic principle, but it's bad practice assuming that everyone else will know.
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #40 on: 20/04/2013 16:24:37 »
That is unfortunate that you can't get on youtube- leonard susskind has the best explanation i have seen thus far of what is going on. can you access Wikipedia?
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #41 on: 20/04/2013 17:27:54 »
Well, I was on a site where it was extensively discussed for some years, that doesn't mean I know it though :) Me, I want it simple. Relaying 'c' to a arrow is simple, and logically deductible. Discussing Bomh, Aspen, entanglements becomes a lot more tricky, involving a lot of mathematics, that you better get for real :) if you want to see what they mean. And to then explain what you get, without the mathematics, making it logical, and understandable in words, is one big step further to me.

Have seen a lot of hand waving on the subject, but nobody has come near to make it logic in words for me.
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #42 on: 20/04/2013 17:35:05 »
And there is one thing more. It's not satisfying to me to assume one dimension replaced by a holographic principle. Why would we need the two others? I call that archetypes. Think that was my first instinctive response too :) either you have a universe where dimensions actually, and for real (whatever that is in this thinking) exist. Or you don't. doesn't mean that it has to be wrong though, just not fitting my taste.
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And then there are the arrow too, would that be a result of a holographic principle too?
But I'm still waiting for the guy or gal, actually able to describe it.
Or I will be forced to do it :)  and we all know where that will end ::))
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« Reply #43 on: 20/04/2013 18:36:10 »
There is one simple way to test is. If the universe gets blurry on a small scale, then you might assume this having to do with you using just some percent of the 'full information'. A hologram, breaking it into pieces, will still contain all information, but it will blur, the further down in scale you go. So if we are a hologram we will get out of 'focus' at a small scale. There have been one test I know of that says 'No', another that says 'Yes, or, at least Maybe' :) and then we have hogans holometer that is built for probing very small scales 'fuzziness'.

But the main irritation for me is the one keeping two dimensions, questioning a third. Also trying to see the arrow as a construct from it, or rather, observer dependencies, because I do not see how it explain 'c'.

Which one do we take away:)
Length, width or height.
 

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Re: Is it possible to bend some space-time?
« Reply #44 on: 20/04/2013 19:36:14 »
Well, I was on a site where it was extensively discussed for some years, that doesn't mean I know it though :) Me, I want it simple. Relaying 'c' to a arrow is simple, and logically deductible.
The simplest way I know to define this is the comparison of our universe to a black hole. Susskind had a disagreement with Hawking on this several years ago and in the end, Hawking had to admit that Susskind was right.

No information is lost to a Black Hole because it is all retained at the event horizon. Susskind compares the surface of the event horizon to the outer limits of our universe. And argues that reality is very much like a Hologram, where events occurring everywhere in the universe are connected with copies of this information occurring also at this outer shell.

I agree that anyone interested should also watch the video.
 

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« Reply #45 on: 20/04/2013 21:03:32 »
BTW, Leonard Susskind is the Felix Bloch Professor of Theoretical Physics and Director of the Stanford Institute of Theoretical Physics. His expertise involves particle physics and gravitational physics at Stanford University.
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« Reply #46 on: 20/04/2013 21:07:19 »
I use word solely, images are manipulative, steering you into views. Words on the other hand needs you. It will be your brain making that image, or movie, and none will be the same. Because to me each brain have different views, and when you find a way to use it, you grow :) And books have that effect, if one have the patience to read them. I love books, but I stopped looking at the telly, decades ago.
 

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« Reply #47 on: 20/04/2013 21:15:58 »
Then again, I do use images, but sparsely. when I do it, it is to press home some view I have.

nobody's perfect :)
 

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« Reply #48 on: 20/04/2013 21:38:27 »
as long as that it is not lude- then yes. btw the dictionary here is not picking up the word lude- that indeed, IS a word...
You wrote:
<<The entangled particles somehow contain or transmit information with no contact. >>
My ironic answer intended that what qualifies entanglement is not that, because we can transmit information with no contact with a simple radio transmission.
Second, and more important, with entanglement you cannot transmit information.
 

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