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Anti Gravity Solved!
« on: 16/04/2013 19:20:08 »
To start out my anti-gravity craft consists of 3 some-what simple concepts, in-order to understand how my anti-gravity machine will work you must first understand the 3 concepts.  It deals with pancake-coil wireless power transmission, superconductors and the "super" form of magnets.  If you don't know how these work then you wont understand how my machine works, take a minute to research these things if you need to.

First there will be an average simple copper pancake coil with a good amount of electricity flowing through it for a launch pad.  It will emit a diamagnetic field that will
be absorbed into a second similar coil made of YBCO superconductor wire/tape. This coil will have to be encased and cooled with liquid nitrogen or a cryo-cooler. The superconductor pancake-coil will be locked in "Protestant mode" which means the ends of the coil will be connected and sense superconductors have no resistances the absorbed electricity will continue to go around and round the coil while at the same time building more and more power from the launch pad.

I don't know if what I just said sounds clear, its really simple just 2 pancake coils one made of copper and the other made of superconductor. The superconductor coil
gets charged by the copper one to essentially make a permanent super diamagnet.
 
you can charge this coil up more then power-lines! I'm talking a lot of power here.
All of that electricity makes a really powerful diamagnetic field, the stronger the field the better, this alone can levitate strongly over magnets but you need to take it a step farther, you can levitate this coil over a circular neodymium ferromagnetic field
and spin this coil very very fast in a vacuum tube by using magnets like a motor. Something very unusual will happen, the coil and everything around it will lose almost 90% of it's weight! and it will be strong enough and light enough to levitate within the earths magnetic field.

Nobody knows why it loses weight but its been observed before just check out this link: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060325232140.htm

like the link says this "gravito-magnet" counteracts gravity literally. I'm talking  actual factual anti-gravity machine!  That actually counteracts gravity, at the same
time the super diamagnetic field will bend the earths magnetic field to levitate within it.

You see in the experiment, they used a ceramic ring of superconductor that had not been charged its diamagnetic field was very very weak, because of this the experiment didn't show the incredible power of anti-gravity that the superconductor holds.  Here were I live I did the exact experiment with a 6inch superconductor coil that had been charged but not to its max, I put flaps around the edges and blew cold air on it to spin it wile it was levitating over a magnet and saw a 8% reduction of weight on anything 2 inches above the spinning coil. 8%! to me that's results.
I don't care who you are that's incredible.

I thought that I would share this to get some opinions. I want to scale up the experiment by getting a 3 foot coil and charging it to the max, and use a powerful non contact magnetic motor to spin it at high speed to see if I could get even better results the only thing that I could see going wrong is that the coil will absorb magnetic power from the motor and charge too much. what do y'all think?


 

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Re: Anti Gravity Solved!
« Reply #1 on: 17/04/2013 21:23:54 »
Have you read this one?
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-gravitomagnetism.htm

"Although just 100 millionths of the acceleration due to the Earth's gravitational field, the measured field is a surprising one hundred million trillion times larger than Einstein's General Relativity predicts."

It's very weak in other words, and a result of frame dragging, as I see it.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 02/05/2013 00:57:23 »
Yeah but I don't think what was posted in the article is correct, if it is then why would the first experiment use superconductors?

Is it remotely possible that the reason that  the unexpected power of the gravitational effect was do to the mass and gravity of electrons spinning rapidly? If you think about it a charged superconductor ring coil locked in Protestant mode would be able to hold those electrons in perpetual spinning motion, making a sort of gravity wind going up its north end because of how electrons spin in a diamagnetic field.
 

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Re: Anti Gravity Solved!
« Reply #3 on: 02/05/2013 08:28:37 »
Have you read this one?
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-gravitomagnetism.htm

"Although just 100 millionths of the acceleration due to the Earth's gravitational field, the measured field is a surprising one hundred million trillion times larger than Einstein's General Relativity predicts."

It's very weak in other words, and a result of frame dragging, as I see it.
I find the material in that web page both interesting and confusing.

That said, gravitomagnetism has absolutely nothing to do with electricity or magnetism other than its name and the fac that the equations from EM and GR have the same form under certain circumstances. It's called gravitomagnetism because there is an gravitational effect which is analogous to magnetism. E.g. The force on a charged particle moving in a magnetic field is given by

F = m dv/dt = q(E + vxB)

or

dv/dt = (q/m)(E + vxB)

where E is the electric field and B is the magnetic field.

Suppose we have a weak gravitational field in which there is no electric or magnetic field. We can think of mass as a gravitational charge and think of the q as being m thus giving q/m = m/m = 1. Thus in the nonreativistic limit of general relativity (i.e. v << c) the following equation holds good

dv/dt = g + vxb

Using this analogy g is called the gravitoelectric field and b is called the gravitomagnetic field.

See also - http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Gravitomagnetism.html
 

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Re: Anti Gravity Solved!
« Reply #4 on: 02/05/2013 10:11:30 »
What? you give math but no conclusion. state what you mean by your math, do you think its possible or not?
 

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« Reply #5 on: 02/05/2013 10:43:28 »
I did an experiment with my old rig, it uses a magnetic wire that I invented, it has a soft Iron core wrapped in copper coil wire and a flexible soft Iron pipe sheath. I electrified the whole thing to make magnets and took out the magnetized core and put it back in the coil in reverse direction to make a ferromagnetic cord. then I bent the whole thing into a pancake coil then sandwiched it between big quarts rock on top and a scale on bottom, then when I tapped the coil to a high amp power supply. The scale bounced alot around 3 pounds weight loss out of 16 was registered.  I don't know how but my magnet made that rock weigh less I could feel it in my hand when i put my hand in between. the effect only lasts for a split second when you tap the power, if you hold the power it wont work.

How do you explain the weight loss from that magnet?
 

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Re: Anti Gravity Solved!
« Reply #6 on: 02/05/2013 10:52:57 »
What? you give math but no conclusion. state what you mean by your math, do you think its possible or not?
I stated exactly wanted to say, i.e. that it seemed that yor_on was confusing gravitomagnetism with electromagnetism. If I had anything to say about the so-called anti-gravity comments you posted then I would have posted them.
 

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« Reply #7 on: 02/05/2013 19:42:53 »
Not to say that I confused magnetism with gravity, all I'm saying is that magnetism and gravity have some similarities and maybe they are connected in some way.  I based my theory on how gravity and magnetism might be one in the same thing or at least one creates the other.  Have you ever heard of the book called magnetic current made by ed leedscalman, the guy who built coral castle?  In his book he explains how gravity and magnetism are linked, it's kind of old and poorly written but the guy knows what he is talking about its really short about 50 pages you should give it a read.
 

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Re: Anti Gravity Solved!
« Reply #8 on: 14/05/2013 16:29:15 »
No Pete, not EM, myself I think of it as similar to frame dragging, and that's a result of gravity. But the article was mixing those two as I remember.
 

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Re: Anti Gravity Solved!
« Reply #9 on: 21/10/2016 01:06:43 »
Hello to all.

First of all to achieve anti gravity you need to understand what Gravity is?. It is a force and what anti gravity is?, it is?, a (will tell later). So can it be achieved? "Yes" it has already been achieved by humanity. The next question is, If it has been already been achieved why is the world still working on achieving it? well the answer to this question is simple it has been achieved but no one has claimed of achieving it, this still provide the world with an opportunity of being the first to achieve it in human race and every one in the world want to tale that label.

Now the big question comes here who achieved it first. The very first person who jumped on this planet achieved Anti gravity. (Please be patient all this BS is necessary to make you understand what I am about to prove so keep reading and stay with me :). But what they all achieved was temporary anti gravity some achieved it for few seconds by jumping in the air, some did it for a little more time by fly in a plane or a hot air balloon or space rocket or  but they all temporary achieved it and cannot sustain it forever they have to come back to earth finally.

So this means that it has not been achieved fully in the past? Well answer to this question is "yes" to the known knowledge and NO also will explain No later.

So how anti gravity can be achieved?
This is the most relevant question but not a precise. Achieving anti gravity depends on where and how you want to achieve it. the rules of achieving anti gravity is different for different situations. like you want to achieve anti gravity on sun, well the situation is different from earth so it will require a different method.

So how can anti gravity be achieved Universally
This is a precise and relevant question. and I will love to answer this. First of all what is anti gravity. It is immunity to all the attracting and repelling forces being exerted by different masses in the universe of all sizes and shapes. So if we use this definition of anti-gravity we might be able to achieve some thing. Now can this be achieved yes it can be achieved but you need your "mass" be reduced to "0" to fully and permanently achieve it. Because if we have a mass we will be attracted to another mass and thus we will lose our immunity to gravity. So can we have 0 mass to answer this some has to try and achieve the 0 mass by travailing to the speed of light and then come back and live to enjoy the credit. So to achieve anti gravity you need to achieve 0(zero) mass and this anti gravity will work for the black hole. but for earth we can achieve anti gravity easily as it has way less gravity than black hole. So first of all is traveling at speed of light is the only way to achieve anti gravity no it is a way to achieve 0 mass and basically you cannot travel at speed of light without zero mass. So to achieve anti gravity you need zero mass to achieve speed of light you need zero mass and after achieving zero mass you will be at zero gravity and at speed of light and in fourth dimension of time. It means no force will effect you and your will to achieve an objective. To be further  precise you will travel at speed of light plus 1. Speed of light is not the end. as different lights have different speeds red light travels slower than blue light. So there is variation in speed of light. So by now you will be thinking that I am going from anti gravity to speed of light but no this is relevant to what I am going to accomplish. Now in theory where is zero gravity in earth. It is said that if you dig deep in earths crust and reach the center there you will be at zero gravity, Okay for now lets agree to this theory. So if the anti gravity can be achieved in the center of earth can it be achieved on the surface of the earth? Yes it can be achieved on the center of the earth. How? well the answer to this question is simple look at a geostationary satellite it is statically standing on top of earth and is being effective by it gravity but not falling, but that is not the surface of the earth it is space. Yes agreed but it is countering the force of gravity and is stationery above the earth so how on the surface? Okay lets put it this way what is the height of the geostationary satellite at which it orbits the earth? it is 35786 km above the surface of the earth from equator. now what is the distance it travels in it's orbit? that is 264789.92 km and finally what is the speed at which it achieves that position 11032.75 km/h
so now let move to the satellites in the orbit lower than geostationary satellites, they are traveling at the same speed to maintain their orbit but the circle earth much faster because they have less distance to travel. Now lets come to the surface of the earth. If you travel at the speed of 11032.75 km/h you will achieve anti gravity and it will only happen if you travel in the same direction as earth is rotating. So now I have given you a way to achieve anti gravity but still there is one issue left. What is the use of this anti gravity when the force required to achieve this speed is higher than the force required to leave earth in the traditional way of using rockets and this is not helpful to economics in any way? well I agree with that but there is a way to use this theory to achieve anti gravity vertically the only thing that needs to be remembered here is the speed (11032.75km/h) which is required to achieve a break even with gravity. At this speed you are not achieving anti gravity but canceling the gravity that is 0 (zero) gravity on earth. I have found a way to achieve anti gravity and permanently attain the situation. So please reply for full theory and method for achieving anti gravity and how to make a device of anti gravity without orbiting the earth. By now few of you with brains have figured out how to achieve anti gravity with out orbiting the earth at 11032.75 km/h so please think and reply me with you ideas because human imagination can achieve everything and your ideas will help me to provide you a further and better solution. :). And remember I am the first to give you the theory of anti gravity.
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Re: Anti Gravity Solved!
« Reply #10 on: 21/10/2016 23:58:21 »
I did an experiment with my old rig, it uses a magnetic wire that I invented, it has a soft Iron core wrapped in copper coil wire and a flexible soft Iron pipe sheath. I electrified the whole thing to make magnets and took out the magnetized core and put it back in the coil in reverse direction to make a ferromagnetic cord. then I bent the whole thing into a pancake coil then sandwiched it between big quarts rock on top and a scale on bottom, then when I tapped the coil to a high amp power supply. The scale bounced a lot around 3 pounds weight loss out of 16 was registered.  I don't know how but my magnet made that rock weigh less I could feel it in my hand when i put my hand in between. the effect only lasts for a split second when you tap the power, if you hold the power it wont work.

How do you explain the weight loss from that magnet?

 Hello, it's clear that you understand a lot about the mechanics of your device, the question of why or how, seems to lie on the interaction (field) your device is producing, and more important on what?

 I'll try to be brief, and since you yourself do not understand how, imagine that your mind is opponent to possibilities at this far, once you're observing it happening with your own eyes and equipment...

 My speculation provides no proof, I'm only trying to introduce you to a alternative concept, discard it or not it's up to you, I want make you think, cause even if I do, I do not posses the knowledge for math it...

 The focus of the concept is "mass", gravity is affecting everything on earth including itself, lets pull the details of our understanding of gravity, it is what it is, I'm more interested on it's source, the original source...
 I'll suggest to you, that is observing the machine, consider this:
 "the mass of all the components of the machine, is not located on the machine" , I know...

 What is the difference to your complex machine to a brick from the universe perspective? None, if you turn of your machine and free fall it along with an apple, both ill hit the ground with the same speed...
 Imagine that the source of gravity is light, not the energy itself, imagine photons as being "not virtual, not real particles neither", imagine photons as being "shapes like particles", nothing more than space spinning around the light at C, and consider one more possibility that the configuration of the photon on a ray of light, diverges from the photon nearby "atomic structure", any sort of atomic structure...
 Imagine this photon on free space is caring energy(light) at C with a special "shape/configuration", perhaps wave one, not the same photon hits the surface of something that "it cannot flow trough, a barrier"(dense atomic structure), at this very moment the same shape that carries light will change its configuration, to another shape, spherical one, perhaps a particle like....
 Now assume that photons are light, but and most important that photons on a different configuration are also "mass", and do not forget one is assuming that photons are not real nor-virtual, only but shapes, spinning shapes provided from "aether", once they find something where the energy can be transferred as "matter" they'll collapse, not be destroyed they were not physical to be destroyed nor for be created, they were, in this example, a simple carrier, a spiral momentum around the energy, they where only a mechanical response to the aether on the presence of energy, light or being matter, only alters the configuration of the photon...

 Now the principal, photons colliding with earth, from all directions on space, but most likely from the sun, light reaching earth using photonic waves, colliding with the energy base of earth (matter), changing configuration, and releasing the energy they where caring on the process, absorbed by the earth and also by the environment (hydrosphere), not the light is still hitting the earth, and starting not only to hit the density, but also light interacting and responding to the mass, photons i  different configurations (for not say space in different configurations), rebouncing and mixing one configuration with the other, and all this process "somehow" giving spinning to all the other particles, not only on earth, but over every single particle, basically over anything that is matter...

 I tough about this yesterday inspired by the idea of photons of different configurations, being light and mass...
 I'm just trying to glimpse the possibilities that "the mass we are assuming that your device has", the mass, the weight it has to surpass, is not present on itself, on the opposite, that everything surrounding matter has mass provident from the photons, matter being only the meaning, something to collide with and transfer, change configuration...

 Now when you state that your device is loosing weight, it's where the approach comes in, the only difference your device made of matter differs from a peace of rock, is the "electromagnetic field" it produces...
 What I'm suggesting is that "anti-gravity", in a rudiment atestment, is not about remove the weight your device do not have, but create a "field", that is able to affect the "other field" that is "submitting" your device to the proportional weight it has, but not on its own...
 I know its confuse, more because I also do not agree with that, only covering the possibility, that your device is producing an "accidental magnetic field" on a shape that is "accidentally" matching with the requested by the environment you are... I believe that somehow the electromagnetic field it is producing it's "cheating"...
 Somehow the electromagnetism, being from magnitude or for special configuration, is being able to "repel" the photonic mass from around of it, with this. now, "reducing the proportional weight" it originally had...

 Thing about the earth doing the same with the magnetosphere, we orbit the sun on the horizontal plate, heliosphere is spherical, for me, seems that the electromagnetic field from the sun, is able to "delimitate" a invisible barrier, that is affecting the whole... Like an orange that your cut on a half in the horizontal, the electromagnetic field raises from the center, scaling up further into deep space, eventually with time, start to decay one pole towards the other, falling at the edge of the heliosphere on the horizontal...
 Something like, everything that exists on the north pole of the sun, from the horizontal plate up, anything that has atomic structure, even particles, are constantly being "Forced" to come back to the neutral zone of the field, that being the horizontal plate, the same is occurring on the south pole, the other half, one always flowing towards the other, forming the sphere that is heliosphere, maybe that's the reason for orbits and for us (planets) to be locked on the plate, is because we are chasing the sun, but the plate do not let us escape from it, the poles are constantly trying to set us at the plate...

 I'm only suggesting, if got the general idea despise my limited English, that gravity "Exists" not provident from light, but from the reaction space does(photons) when light is present... And that orbits and other interactions are related with the electromagnetic fields...

 So even if partially accepting the correct idea behind this incorrect description, is also accept that "Weight/mass" can be controlled by electromagnetism", not the electromagnetism interfering with the traveling light, not that, but electromagnetic field being able to interact with space.

If we accept for a minute that "mass is from space, due the collision and disband of photons", and photons as being simple a spinning shape of space around the energy, resembling a particle, is to accept that:
 "Electromagnetic fields, can infact, control the mass of an object that is existing inside of this very field, for the electromagnetism is (readjusting) the "potential mass" that the same object "had" when it was outside the field"... If mass is from photons, and photons from space, and electromagnetism can control space, is to accept that inside the electromagnetic field "mass can be controlled"..

 If mass is from space, a field that is able to control it (a artificial magnetosphere of the correct (shape/proportion), much as a planet, such field can indeed make a object become mass less when inside the field... Much like the earth is orbiting sun on the plate, cause there it is mass less, not on itself, but as from the eyes of the " magnetic field / heliosphere" the proportional weight the energy base of earth should posses is nullified by the electromagnetic field, in resume is possible that the electromagnetic field of the sun, is deliberately nullifying the weight of the sun, and wherever it existing on its interior...

 Let me suggest your something, have you ever tought about set a horizontal spiral plate on the exterior, surrounding your device? Like a external ring?
 is a rudimentary assumption, but for me magnetosphere, magnetic field are the only way to become massless "from the perspective of the environment", for be apart, achieving control of the interior...
 For this reason, even if sounds sify, I do suggest that you check if you set a suspended , flat, light metallic ring of a few inches, setting the device on the center, if you want to frame a picture "Saturn with its rings", what I want you to check, is if the "field" your device is producing, is able to set the ring into motion, set it to spin around the "sun", if you understood... I do believe that your magnetic field, if your measurements are correct, is somehow being able to repulse the photonic mass around of it, that was giving it weight, earth weight, there is gravity on space, and there is local gravity on earth, reducing weight of an object on earth, on that scale you mentioned, means propulsion on space...
 If the ring, not sure if metal alone will react well, but if it does start to spin, there will be a device that is producing a electromagnetic field, that is interacting with space, and than will be space" mass" that will be seting the ring in motion, as result you will be putting electrical energy on the system, and harvesting mechanical/kinetic energy from space, as result stay away from the ring if you decide to try, need to be a locked ring, or it will fly away immediately, if it works of course...

 Why harvest the knect energy of such ring? I'm not sure of the logic behind this ideas, maybe has none but when inside the concept of photonic mass sort of make sense. One wants, needs, a external mobile ring, cause if correct that is an electromagnetic field, similar to artificial magnetosphere of a planet on its arrangements, it should be reducing the weight by deflecting the potetinal mass that would usualy be constantly submiting the device. I'm not talking that light wont be able to reach the device, or set the device apart from universe as if the field would push space away from it, no I'm thinking about "dillatation of space-time". Not the usual dilatation of space-time in the presence of a "massive object" that has a mass of its own, but in this view, as dilatation being mass... As on: There is empty space, thus there is light. Now there is a massive object presented there. As consequence the rebouncing and constant change of configurations of the photons (the particles gathered, (macro mass), would be causing on space, would stimulate space itself to produce this secund configurations of photons, inside the matter(empty space) and also on the exterior(empty space), this new configuration whe "somehow" ally with the spining of the electron, or maybe as source of it's sppin, resulting in "mass", "photonic mass", inside and outside the matter...
 Sort of the mass of an object and the mass as in dark matter, being in absolute the same mass. From the point of view of this possibilitie of photon/mass, the so called dark matter being detected would simple be the same of the one presented within the atoms of any object, with the only difference of a more freely observation and perhaps a inconvinient dirrect interaction with light...
 What I have in mind, observe dark matter, you can't see but you can feel its effects on space time (mass does that), but actuall mass existing only and from matter, couldn't possible be from space, although the configuration of photon, wave/particle, could actually reshape the concept of mass, this without change the bases of relativity. If true it would only cause a few problems correcting the miss-blamed factors, but perhaps kepping itself the way it is, and even reveal GR and SR as being the same...
 Meaning that dark matter is not another parallel source of mass affecting gravity, accepting photonic mass, the mass of any given object(the space within the atoms"potential mass"), is also dark matter...
 Only once souce of mass, and all the same, space. Matter being only a provided catalist responsible to provide its atomic structure to be able to alternate the configuration of light, from photon wave /light, to photon particle /mass...

 About the device, there is one slightly detail, we are imagining the devices as floating freely trough the hydrosphere as they want, perhaps it, anti-gravity wont behave like that. For unknown reasons, if assume that your device is fixed on a flat surface right, and even if it's not, I guess one thing that could reveal your experiment as being already finished, even if by accident. You should deftly try to detect any magnetic pole your device may have(north and south), and doing so try to detect and align the surface where it lies on, and inclinate the entire experiment towards one of the magnetic poles of the earth...
 If it indeed work using electromagnetism, there is a chance that a misalignment could have reduced the efficiency...
One other possibilities, its that your device is repulsing the photonic mass of the matter itself, in other worlds can be that your pushing the photons away not only from the environment, but from the components itself, following the logic of the suggestion, if mass is photon, and matter have empty space, all that empty space among the atoms that form your device, is "potential mass"... If correct a planet or sun does not have much space(photons) on the inner layers so the electromagnetic field of them, can easily remove all the weight and possibility them to orbit, only achievable by slowly formation... One cannot simple fabric a device that produces electromagnetism, that repels mass on the exterior, not removing the one remaining inside the filed, witch counts for the "potential mass" present on the empty space among the atoms...
 What I mean is, if your device "on earth" was weighting 1kg, and when turned on it started to weight 0,75kg for example, you already have achieved anti-gravity (on space)... You cannot achieve anti gravity (Floating device),  cause you'would need to remove all the potential mass from within the atoms, unless you have a fusion device, do not expect the device to float, unless you find a way to convert the loss of mass into kinetic energy and store it, for that I suggested to check the surroundings with the ring or something like that, the potential of your device must be on how it is affecting space "perhaps repelling potential mass", the device itself is what it is to the eyes of the planet, "not any different from a piece of rock", if it is becoming weightless, it's by reducing the "potential" mass it usually has, one can only do that, without violate the laws, by cheating, by changing the field itself, even if in lower scale, a artificial magnetosphere of correct shape, and magnitude, should do it, from that point on, is only add a little push using any sort of propulsion... That mobile outer ring, maybe give it a try, check what happen and if...

 Only one advise, if you sure of your claim, immediately upload the content to the internet, even if you do not release before being sure of the potential, let it stored on the cloud, from a public computer, and select a person to act as a trigger. I guess a similar device of the one you described was already discovered back at WW, it was called vortex technology, you may already know the history. Not this vortex technology we have now a days, trying to, but one that we should never came to know, since the inventor was captured, tortured and eventually died, his last words "on note" where "they took everything from me, i do not even own myself"...  And about the post about the gravitational jump above, he's correct about everything, specialty when he intentional or not suggests that anti-gravitational technology is already here, kept as a secret for already a long time... Now I ask you, can you imagine "humans" with the knowledge to built machines that could potential survey a entire city, drop a bomb and escape without the possibility of being caught?

 I do not believe in conspiracy or alien life, not until I see one, but I do believe in technology and common sense, I the decision was in my hand, facing such threat. I would also keep it as secret as possible.
 wouldn't you? That's why the best thing to do is force their hands by leaking the knowledge for everyone, by doing so, world would need to evolve. keep it as secret would have another meanings to solve, history teaches...
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