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Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« on: 01/05/2013 23:50:55 »
The war on terror is a lie, it gives justification to invaded many nations.
unlike communism which was a real threat, terrorism is not.

terrorism is less of a threat to you then car accidents or smoking by a lot.
To justify that statement I did some math.

terrorism world wide caused 7000 deaths in the past 10 years were as smoking causes 445,000 deaths EACH year. That's close to 64 times as much death as 10 years of terrorism put together.

7000 deaths is a big number don't get me wrong but 80% of that number is not associated with Al-Qaeda  most of that number is made by free lance psychos and local terrorists.

my point is because of 911 (about 3000 deaths) we invaded most of the middle east and patroled the streets with tanks and soldiers and regularly do house raids on suspected "terrorists" on top of that carpet bombing is no stranger to us occupation.
in total an estimated 2.5 million troops were deployed to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan. and started a war that has killed over 11,000 us soldiers and countless middle eastern people. those numbers don't even include desert storm. all because of 3000 deaths countless people die each day to this day 911 happened more then  a decade ago man its time to get over that.

To me the term "terrorists" is just a term to Evilify "rebels" desperately fighting to stave off full on imperialist occupation.  I'm just trying to see this whole thing their way.

Imagine if tanks and soldiers paroled your streets, regularly kicking in doors and dragging out anyone who owned a gun hypocritically taking away your right to bear arms along with other rights.  Imagine gunfire as a common sound and explosions every day.  Imagine if they were trying to change your way of life. would you fight back or go along?  If you fought back you would be called a rebel. if you did the same thing in Iraq you would be called a terrorist. 

What I'm trying to say is, terrorists and rebels are one in the same thing.  The word terrorist is a propaganda title given to rebels fighting against occupation. justifying the occupation.

But why, why all of this war and hate so powerful that it causes people to literally strap bombs to themselves. Why?  Some say Oil is the cause but that seems to easy, it may be part of the reason but is it the whole reason?  Oil is a precarious commodity, one that entire nations depend on.  without oil and gas cars wouldn't work and highways would stop flowing all together.  The world would change dramatically, there is no questioning that fact.  But in this world, to those who control oil, great power and wealth is granted.

I have heard of something called a petroleum dollar which is the concept of the us dollar being empowered by oil because of America forcing oil producing nations to sell only in us dollars.  Some say that oil is the only thing keeping the us dollar afloat, without it America would plunge into a depression.  which almost happened when a band of middle eastern countries refused to sell in dollars back in 2005 you remember that little depression don't you?  That was directly caused by the refusal to sell oil in dollars.  That ended when bombing caused those counties to rethink selling in us dollars.

There is a so called collapse scenario talked about in the news which is caused by the destruction of the petrodollar it entails a dramatic rise in oil prices which raises shipping prices which raises the prices on everything causing the economy to inflate and collapse.

All of that sounds logical, but telling you what you already know wont change anything.  I wonder what would happen if oil became obsolete, if some brilliant scientist were to invent easy fission power or something more creative that would bring about the end to the age of oil what would happen?

All of you on this forum have brains so what can you do to make oil obsolete?
that's why I posted on this forum.

you wouldn't have to invent something all that complex, you would just have to invent a new kind of car that runs on something else, perhaps even flying cars or something along that line.  Nothing is impossible you can do it if you put your mind to it. GG.


 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #1 on: 02/05/2013 09:01:36 »
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The war on terror is a lie, it gives justification to invaded many nations.
unlike communism which was a real threat, terrorism is not.
Do you think that the woman who had her foot blown off by the bomb that exploded in Boston at the end of the Boston Marathon thinks that? It's creepy if you ask me. That's one of my stomping grounds and it could have been me who got his foot blown off. I have nice feet and would like to keep both of them.

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..terrorism is less of a threat to you then car accidents or smoking by a lot.
To justify that statement I did some math.
That's an illogical way to view terrorism. It's certainly not a lie to say that we were/are in  danger of terrorists attacking and killing US citizens. It's a hideos thing when it happens. People willingly take on the risk of getting into an accident and/or smoking. Nobody does anything to deserve a terrorist attack. People in the US die from drug overdoes every way and there is a war on drugs too. There's a battle we fight against cancer as well. We fight evrything that has the potential to kill us. That's why we pay huge amounts of money every year in cancer research, treatments and cures. Just because the number of people per year who die from terrorist attacks is amaller than the number of people who die of cancer as a result of smoking it doesn't mean that we should alot funds in proportion to the number of people who have been attacked in the past. Don't forget, terrorists would love to detonate a nuke or a dirty bomb in a large city.

Don't forget, the men who go into battle do so willingly and by choice. Nobody forced them to join. Each military man knows full well that he or she might go into battle andrisk their life on the order of the President of the United States. They know that when they join that they are doing the presidents will and we elect our president to do our will. Allowing terrorists to flourish greatly increases the risk of one of us getting killed in a horrible way and not simply by one of those ways that we accept that we may die merely because we live in a society which uses cars and we may die in a car accident and smokers accept the fact that they might die from lung cancer. But we refuse to live in fear of a terrorist detonating a bomb our streets and blowing parts of our bodies off or killing us.
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #2 on: 02/05/2013 09:46:36 »
you refuse to live in fear and so do rebels in nations were war is actually going on, I cant imagine the fear those people live in. There you don't have to worry about 10 deaths from a rouge bomb, you have to worry about thousands of tanks, soldiers and robot drones blowing your face off. 

To me a shitty bomb made from American mortar shells and nails is no comparison to a stealth bomber or land mines or cannons or machine guns or bazookas.  put bluntly a terrorist will plant a bomb but a nation will drop thousands upon thousands of bombs and destroy entire cities.  you worry that a terrorist will drop a dirty bomb but you fail to see the bombs already being dropped. BOOM!

look at this video friend.
each of those things will kill an estimated 122 targets/people each in it's service.
that train alone has more tanks then deaths caused by terror attacks. what do you have to say about that? hmmmm....
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #3 on: 02/05/2013 10:39:20 »
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what do you have to say about that? hmmmm....
I say war is hell and freedom is not free. I know what goes on in a war. So you're rather let the terrorists build their forces and have no defense against them?
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #4 on: 02/05/2013 10:53:18 »
No I just think that war is an inappropriate response to terrorism.  that's like declaring war on psychos.  It will always happen and you will only aggravate the "terrorists" by bombing them back.  Do you know why 911 even happened in the first place? it was a retaliation.
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #5 on: 02/05/2013 11:03:31 »
Our CIA calls actions like this "blowback", meaning they are counter-attacks for our own interference in other nations' business.

That is not to say we "deserve" it, but if you tell other people how to live, they tend to push back, is all I'm saying.

Terrorism is merely a way that a weak force pushes back against a strong force that is bullying it (real or perceived bullying).

Religion, blah blah is all a smokescreen. 9-11 was a political act.

Think about it:

They didn't hit Disneyland, or the Statue of Liberty.

They hit:

1. Twin Towers --a symbol of our financial strength

2. Pentagon -- symbol of our military power

3. (fail)White House? symbol of our government

This is not the scenario created by wild crazy religious fanatics. This was meant to make a point.

Which we missed by the way.
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #6 on: 06/05/2013 11:52:19 »
Well, to me it's a question of having a defense, or no defense at all. I would like a world in where we all are treated equal, where we share, and where we all get as good education as possible. That would be one heck of a nice world to live in. But we're not there, and people tend to find such ideas hard to accept as they build on yourself needing to initiate that change to the better. We're a aggressive species, and that combined with ones personal greed, as in the 'right' for me to become 'all you can be' on good or bad, is what makes a defense necessary. some people lack compassion, ethics, and empathy. They instead create some 'system of 'right' thoughts', based on simple rules as 'foreigners are naturally evil' for example, and they exist in all countries. History have a way of showing us just how bad we can become, when we stop daring to be a individual, trusting in our understanding of how we ourselves would like to be treated.

Fanatics are not only from one country, I would say. And we won't stop needing a defense, none of us will, as long as we're not able to take a ethical responsibility for our own actions. So my advice will be as a always, get that education, use your mind, and there are no gurus, anywhere (me included:)..
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #7 on: 11/01/2016 11:39:43 »
Well, to me it's a question of having a defense, or no defense at all.

There's no such thing as defensive military operations. All military operations are offensive by definition.



 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #8 on: 12/01/2016 13:25:23 »
This thread should be removed, no disrespect to the poster but this is not science in any way, it is conspiracy.
Please find a forum where your voice can be heard such as a conspiracy forum or political forum.

Poster - you are ''preaching'' to science who have no power or influence in your cause. Science have no power.

 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #9 on: 13/01/2016 11:01:51 »
Poster - you are ''preaching'' to science who have no power or influence in your cause. Science have no power.

I disagree. This thread is informative and provide valuable clues for explaining how modern propaganda works.

Propaganda is a science, not a conspiracy theory. You should educate yourself more.
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #10 on: 13/01/2016 13:11:36 »
Poster - you are ''preaching'' to science who have no power or influence in your cause. Science have no power.

I disagree. This thread is informative and provide valuable clues for explaining how modern propaganda works.

Propaganda is a science, not a conspiracy theory. You should educate yourself more.

hmmm, I see you you are trying to use propaganda to keep this propaganda running, there is no science in propaganda, propaganda is advertising, I suggest if you think this is viable science in any way , to take up a new hobby.

I would not hesitate in removing this post.

''Propaganda is information that is not impartial and used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively (perhaps lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or using loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information .''..


So you think 911 and France was propaganda and has any relationship to do with science?

I think not....


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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #11 on: 13/01/2016 13:32:07 »
Here is a paper for your own knowledge about how modern propaganda is a science rather than "advertising"...

http://www.jstor.org/stable/3790986

"I believe that the human race has developed a form of collective schizophrenia in which we are not only the slaves to this imposed thought behavior, but we are also the police force of it." - David Icke

btw thought police is really 1984 like... I seriously hope that 911 and France are not a form of collective schizophrenia...   ???
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #12 on: 13/01/2016 13:55:25 »
Here is a paper for your own knowledge about how modern propaganda is a science rather than "advertising"...

http://www.jstor.org/stable/3790986

"I believe that the human race has developed a form of collective schizophrenia in which we are not only the slaves to this imposed thought behavior, but we are also the police force of it." - David Icke

btw thought police is really 1984 like... I seriously hope that 911 and France are not a form of collective schizophrenia...   ???

Ok, I will agree it is science if we change the context to Psychological warfare of the narcissist. Fliers , advertising are the propaganda, the action before/after is psychological manipulation.

I class the two very differently.

 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #13 on: 15/01/2016 09:46:29 »
public science forums are basically worthless
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #14 on: 15/01/2016 10:56:44 »
public science forums are basically worthless

Ignorance is bliss. History will decide if the war on terror is causing more deception and suffering than terrorism itself.
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #15 on: 15/01/2016 13:13:13 »

Ignorance is bliss. History will decide if the war on terror is causing more deception and suffering than terrorism itself.

The future will decide I think you mean.  In reality there must be actions in the world and although some actions are less humane than others, these actions need to be taken.  If you think Terrorism is bad or even the retaliation, this is nothing to the bigger picture and the things to come.  I do not want to talk new World Order, but sometimes there is a need and a must.

For humanity to have a sustainable future the situation is quite clear, the food will run out or run very low, the population increase has got to decrease.  We can't look after us all so therefore not all of us can survive

It may sound cold hearted and the humanitarians will be in uproar at the thought, but in honesty, so what?


Dog eat Dog it has always been, Human eating Human and a cannibal apocalypse is on the script. A ''zombie'' reality is not that far fetched.




 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #16 on: 15/01/2016 13:54:20 »
Lol, lol, lol, Thebox!!!

Personally, I feel that the planet is already full of zombies in a dog eat dog scenario, and the escalation of world crisis will be the cause of people 'waking up'... to themselves and to the ludicrousy of our group actions.

Perhaps indeed a better world awaits us :).  Sun is shining!  Cup half full...
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #17 on: 15/01/2016 14:43:36 »
Lol, lol, lol, Thebox!!!

Personally, I feel that the planet is already full of zombies in a dog eat dog scenario, and the escalation of world crisis will be the cause of people 'waking up'... to themselves and to the ludicrousy of our group actions.

Perhaps indeed a better world awaits us :).  Sun is shining!  Cup half full...


Yes the world is asleep and they need to wake up.  I look at this way, if I lived in a horrible hot desert type country, I would not want to live there, I would want to live in the tropical paradises we see advertised,  but if I wanted to live in a tropical paradise, I would probably need to be rich unless I was fortunate enough to be born there.
I am not aloud to leave my country there is borders to cross and if I try to cross they will probably shoot me or chuck me back from where I came from. So if I want just a little of what is the other side of the fence, I would have to fight you for it.   I have no armies or lots of weapons, so I have to convince a few others to join me and we would have to use Gorilla warfare to try to obtain our goals.
However I would always be fighting a losing battle, to take on the world is a one way suicide trip, so I would have to use a form of manipulation to convince the helpers.
Spread the word by the sword meant to spread the word by the pen or pencil, syntactic ambiguity is for sure the most effective narcissist approach.


Personally I would offer all the people who want to be Islam followers , Australia. But explain the laws of Islam and then it is their choice and we don't have to interfere . 


The problem is they are causing bother in a central region of the world, so remove them from being neighbours if they have got a problem with the neighbours.


It is strange that mostly the world agrees there would only be one god, but don't they understand we speak a different language so name things differently.  What a stupid argument, it always has been.

Added - The laws of Islam are quite clever, they account for population increase and recognise 1 man 1 women keeps the population down and provides a longer future. If you get a women pregnant, then you should be betrothed to that women, these one nighters produce masses of population.

I do not agree with punishments of Islam, no God would want that. Ban alcohol and gambling for sure.
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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #18 on: 16/01/2016 11:11:33 »
The future will decide I think you mean.  In reality there must be actions in the world and although some actions are less humane than others, these actions need to be taken.  If you think Terrorism is bad or even the retaliation, this is nothing to the bigger picture and the things to come.  I do not want to talk new World Order, but sometimes there is a need and a must.

"All warfare is based on deception." -Sun Tzu

The war on terror is no different. If the goal of state-sponsored terrorism is to create the New World Order through violence and tyranny, then this plan should fail as humanity becomes resilient to such criminal activity. Soon the war propaganda will become more obvious and the artificial terrorism will end.

“The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al-Qaeda, and any informed intelligence officer knows this. But, there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an intensified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive TV watchers to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the United States.” – Former British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook     
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #19 on: 16/01/2016 22:32:52 »
Personally I would offer all the people who want to be Islam followers , Australia. But explain the laws of Islam and then it is their choice and we don't have to interfere . 


The problem is they are causing bother in a central region of the world, so remove them from being neighbours if they have got a problem with the neighbours.

Really box?
By your way of thinking all Christians must now be Branch Davidians.  Crikes!  I daresay I should google my neighbours... Do you think house prices will be affected?
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #20 on: 17/01/2016 01:18:25 »
http://www.mintpressnews.com/katie-report-australia-oil-shale-reserves/171401/

Not entirely sure that Australia is the best choice of destination for said pesky Islamics you know box, unless you are just planning on teasing them a little... I suppose it woudnt be too much troube to stir up a bit of inter muslim friction between the imports and Indonesia.  All proper Australians would no doubt be displaced to New Zealand, amidst a storm of bad feeling, rendering the whole area a hotspot for the sale of our munitions to those who we plan to fall out with to our benefit later on.  Undoubtably the ensuing instability will render the oil market as highly manipulatable, as per usual, and all the usual suspects will increase their already ridiculous proportion of the worlds wealth even further... sounds great to me, but you know... its my neighbours who I find really worrying, have you googled yours yet?
 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #21 on: 17/01/2016 15:07:39 »
neighbours
The idea of giving Australia away is clearly isolation and to give them a place that has things more than dirt and sand.

People getting rich are not  a concern, an apple is worth more than gold, money will not buy the earth it never can.  The Earth is not owned by anyone on this Earth, the rulers , rule nothing, they like to think they rule, but are no more than ants that can be crushed quite easy.

Soldiers are brainwashed, fighting for ''our''/''their'' countries for what exactly?

If soldiers give up then there is no power of be.

 

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Re: Al-Qaeda and terrorists are pure propaganda
« Reply #22 on: 26/01/2016 12:25:11 »
Soldiers are brainwashed, fighting for ''our''/''their'' countries for what exactly?

They are brainwashed by the conspiracy theory of war on terror. To make soldiers require mental conditioning about war. The war propaganda serves this basis.
 

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