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Discuss: Can GPS systems be Spoofed?
« on: 07/06/2013 19:01:04 »
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Re: Discuss: Can GPS systems be Spoofed?
« Reply #1 on: 06/06/2013 22:54:11 »
As well as the primary GPS application of providing geographic location, GPS can be used in a secondary application of providing an accurate time reference. This is used in modern cellular phone networks to synchronise multiple transmitters covering overlapping areas to within 1 microsecond.

There have been instances reported where a GPS satellite has been accidentally left in "maintenance" mode, broadcasting an incorrect time, and upsetting synchronisation on telecommunications networks.
Presumably, the same thing could occur if the satellite were transmitting an incorrect orbital location.
Fortunately, this should not happen very often, this is not under the control of an individual user who may want to spoof the system, and the discrepancy should be easily detectable as inconsistent signals would be received from the other 3-6 satellites which are usually visible from a single location.
 

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Re: Discuss: Can GPS systems be Spoofed?
« Reply #2 on: 07/06/2013 15:12:24 »
GPS is commonly used to lock SPGs (Sync Pulse Generators - the device used to lock all of the equipment in television facilities together) for accurate timecode.

Since you need to receive a signal from at least four satellites to determine your location (one signal puts you anywhere on the surface of a sphere, two signals put you on a big circle, three narrows that down to two intersects and the forth signal determines which one is you) and due to weak signals being acquired and lost often most GPS receivers will hold onto seven birds at once (you can typically "see" nine or ten satellites from sea level).
So - it would be easy to stop a receiver's ability to determine position by overloading it's (very sensitive) 1.5Ghz receiver, but to inject data into many carriers to spoof a location would be very hard. Don't know if it's ever been done?
 

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Re: Discuss: Can GPS systems be Spoofed?
« Reply #3 on: 07/06/2013 15:27:24 »
... it would be easy to stop a receiver's ability to determine position by overloading it's (very sensitive) 1.5Ghz receiver...

There has been spam on this forum, (since removed), to sell GPS jamming devices.
The sales-pitch was superficially aimed at the paranoid, but in reality the buyers must be up-to no-good.
 

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Re: Discuss: Can GPS systems be Spoofed?
« Reply #4 on: 08/06/2013 17:05:18 »
Some GPS applications can be spoofed. There was a discussion of this on a recent CBC podcast called "Spark"

It can be used in the rental car and truck applications that track the vehicle's speed. You spoof the signal and mess with the timing.

It is very cumbersome now, but in time.

Incidentally, It is said that you can make a good piece of change selling phony "radar detectors" out of the back of your car to fools.  When the sucker goes to the police to complain, they aren't interested in helping a fool who was trying to spoof their radar speed traps.

However the jails ARE full of hucksters who thought their scam was foolproof.
 

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Re: Discuss: Can GPS systems be Spoofed?
« Reply #5 on: 08/06/2013 17:20:34 »
... it would be easy to stop a receiver's ability to determine position by overloading it's (very sensitive) 1.5Ghz receiver...

There has been spam on this forum, (since removed), to sell GPS jamming devices.
The sales-pitch was superficially aimed at the paranoid, but in reality the buyers must be up-to no-good.




The family of greedy suckers is an ancient lineage.
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