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Anti gravity machine
« on: 18/06/2013 18:23:12 »
What would happen to the inventor of anti gravity. Hypothetically what if I told you I Invented a UFO like ship that levitates using some weird magnetic effect like the meissener effect, but my ship can fly all the way into space. first of all, would you believe me? probably not.

  Ufologists have made the subject of anti-gravity a fools game.  Too much ancient aliens on tv can form a mass opinion that makes people scoff at someone who would say stuff like I Can build a Anti-gravity machine. it's like saying I can build a flying machine in the 1700's. literally, what if this actually happened
what would happen to a guy if he actually invented a machine like that. some say that society will collapse if anti gravity was invented.

But if that doesn't happen, which I don't think it will, then that machine would replace cars,trucks,space craft and stuff like that. which would be amazing! there would be no need for gas and no need for high ways, the highways will be in the sky the inventor will probably get 2 Nobel prizes and epic royalties a legecy and an epic flying Ferrari with bitches and and riches.

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you could end up dead in a dich because you just uncovered the most massive coverup of all time and get whacked by a CIA agent inorder to keep it top security
which would make sense because your attempting to replace cars and NASA  which have very powerful organizations backing them which would kill you in a second if you are a threat to the Oil and Auto industry. Not to mention who backs them which is the united states government which is backed by the builder berg conglomerate and the Illuminati. all of which organizations are associated with death in one way or another.

If I were to invent an anti gravity machine I would effectively declare myself an enemy to the oil industry and other huge super powers and be subject to assassination.

If I didn't want to die, which I don't. then what must I do?
if I need to invent this thing and not die in the process, how do I go about doing that.
you have to understand that you are dealing with forces beyond imagining and if your not careful then you could seriously die.

What if you got the cops protecting you or something, small time cops could prove very useful if you have to hide from powers like that. in a sort of witness protection program. for inventors. but then the government would know were you are.

you could hide in some foreign country like ice land and use their small time government to develop it more. or something along that line.

or you might get lucky and get hired into some clairvoyant super security government black op like project blue book or something.

or go hide in Antarctica that would be your only other option.
or if it worked well you could hide in space.
put instructions on how to build it on you-tube anonymously wile holding a secret patent under an assumed name.

or even maybe just do it from your garage and don't worry about that crap.  that ufo cover up stuff is all fake anyway right?

But that's the question man how can you do that??? If your smart enough to figure out anti-gravity then your smart enough to come up with a way to get around the broken system of lost hope to make such a dream come true and live to see it.


 

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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #1 on: 17/07/2013 23:23:56 »
I think we are ready for anti-gravity.  Because we are ready for it the inventor will be hailed a hero.  Initially applications using anti-gravity will be so expensive that current technologies will remain in force, allowing a smooth transition.  Anti-gravity does not create a perpetual motion machine, we are still going to need power to generate anti-gravity fields.  I saw a Fox News article on an apparatus that levitates an object using sound waves.  This seems like a practical model for anti-gravity.  Reflecting gravitational waves back on the original would cause the same node points where the waves reflecting back cancel the outgoing waves, as in the sound wave model, to hold an object suspended. The reflector of gravity waves could be a circular mass accelerator. 
 

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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #2 on: 18/07/2013 05:27:49 »
I like your ideas. Your right I think that normal people would see this guy as a sort of Einstein of modern times. and like you said nobody knows yet how this thing would be powered, it could still use oil and gas for all I know. Even If it ran on gold this thing would still be praised by the masses.

But the point I was trying to make was that not everyone would like the Idea of a new kind of car, some would want to stop you.  What I mean by that is powerful people would see an anti-gravity device as a threat to their power and your life would be in danger.

If you want to avoid these people's assassins, how would you go about telling people and selling this?
 

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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #3 on: 18/07/2013 11:49:57 »
Crossing the threshold from privacy to public life is the big risk.  Once people believe in you and admire you they will ensure your security over all comers.  Sure there will be some people who will feel threatened, but this will be short lived, as we can educate them to see how they will benefit from the change in technology.  Take the case of the Internet and email.  It dismantled mail delivery of personal correspondence, but it vastly expanded the delivery of packages delivered direct from manufacturers.  This system could have dismantled our system of retail outlets, but it didn't.  Two major industries were threatened, letter delivery and the jobs of thousands of postal workers, and retail owners and workers.  Things shook out, people made adjustments, moved to other jobs, the system changed.  The key here was this technology the Internet was so beneficial, so useful, that all those directly affected by it gained something from it.  I think it is very useful to discuss these sorts of issues, to help prepare the way for those who will be directly affected by anti-gravity.  It's a start to get them educated in how this technology will benefit them.  I'd like to continue this thread under the topic of anti-gravity, but I would like to expand the dialog beyond just airing concerns about the technology interface to include ideas how it will be applied in everyday life, what kind of industries will be created, and technological developments that will stem from the introduction of anti-gravity, another stepping stone...
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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #4 on: 18/07/2013 23:26:33 »
I see what you mean, education is the key.  If you invented an anti-gravity machine and didn't tell anyone then nobody would know to care.  Other then those effected in a bad way.  If this was the scenario then you would be at risk, but if everyone was educated about what it is and how it works then it would be useless to kill you because at that point the technology can be re-made by virtually anyone who understood it.

so yeah it would be short lived especially now when you can tell the entire world in 7 seconds with the internet.
 

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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #5 on: 19/07/2013 20:19:49 »
Here is an article on creating a laser like stimulated emission of gravitational waves or in other words a tractor beam.   http://arxiv.org/pdf/0908.2747.pdf
Apparently it completes the paradigm of reflected gravitational waves, where simple reflection gets you anti-grav and stimulated emission gives you propulsive forces.
 

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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #6 on: 21/07/2013 23:20:35 »
Look around your home.  All the items you have stem from a gravity discipline.  Things are scaled smaller so that you may easily lift them or move them.  Even the physical structure of your abode abides by the economics of a gravity discipline - lighter materials, more easily moved materials, materials more easily modularized.  In an anti-gravity discipline scales would tend to increase, and building structures become more massive.  Instead of sticks and bricks in a tornado or hurricane zone it would as economical to build with massive stone blocks.  Materials that once were too unwieldy to consider for household goods could gain in economic stature. 
 

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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #7 on: 12/10/2013 18:11:05 »
I have real hope for anti-gravity as a reflected wave phenomena when I find research like that tied to Physicist Raymond Chiao from California who proposed in a paper in 2002 that his calculations showed electromagnetic radiation could stimulate gravitational radiation and vice versa.  Then in 2009 more experimental results suggesting using gravitational waves as a means of communication.  It's like we been staring at an answer for years, but we were not able to put it into practical use until now.   I mean Einstein's gravitational formulas closely matched Maxwell's formulation for electromagnetic waves, but it took until Raymond Chiao experiments to make the relationship with electromagnetism and gravitation practical.  I had a dream last night that I was a salesman and I brought into a room a rectangular box about the dimensions and thickness of a wireless LAN modem.  In my dream I turned the box over inserted four AA batteries, held in the air and switched it on. I let go of the device and it just remained there suspended in the air.  Then I sat on it and I too just remained floating there at the fixed position.   I was mobbed and sold every last one of the devices I had brought with me. 
 

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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #8 on: 12/10/2013 23:01:41 »
I ones had a floating dream, I had a disk on my back, it stayed suspended in mid air like a hover pack, it  had no wings no anything, just a disk which was shiny, cars no longer existed in the deram exept for flying cars which were rare, everyone flew around on these hover disk things like superman.
 

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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #9 on: 29/06/2016 21:45:14 »
I like your ideas. Your right I think that normal people would see this guy as a sort of Einstein of modern times. And like you said nobody knows yet how this thing would be powered, it could still use oil and gas for all I know. Even If it ran on gold this thing would still be praised by the masses.

Powered by a invisible horizontal spiral disk, formed by the eletromagneticfield, inside the magnetosphere field, the density of the space fabric inside the sphere will be thin, the sphere at the center will receive more compression from outer space, but it will receive compression from all directions "on space", keeping it floating, much like a planet does, the energy source must be inside the sphere you need to emanate some sort of self contained eletromagnetic field or radiation that will heat up the space inside of it, this would inevitable form a invisible field around the sphere and a horizontal disk... Attach to the exterior of the sphere like object a outer ring, a mobile one, and than seal the outer ring with another static ring, a cover...

 The eletromagnetism would form the artificial horizontal disk by leaking from the poles of the sphere, just like a star or planet with an activated magnetosphere, form this point the ring and not the sphere would be levitating at the artificial horizontal disk, since the outer ring is attached to the sphere that is producing the horizontal disk itself will be propelled with...
  Increase the speed rotation of one of the two inner layers inside the sphere that is simulating an outer core, absolving the expansion generating movement, cause any difference on the rotation of the up half or the down one, and the power over the outer ring will be stronger from up or down, propelling the horizontal disk forward and backwards...
 Call it galaxy engine if you prefer, if you control the rotation of the artificial outer core inside the sphere, you will control the spinning of the artificial horizontal disk, thus the speed of the outer ring, this will lead to a non-balanced magnetosphere, the down or upside of the sphere, the vortex would be more strong than the other, leaking more eletromagnetism than the other, inevitable changing the balanced compression over the two invisible half that are forming the horizontal spiral disk, just like a planet magnetosphere, if you increase one half of the inner core, or decrease the other its the same, the horizontal disk will be disrupted, pushed up on the opposite direction, simple because the magnetosphere not being balanced anymore, would receive different general compression from the space outside the artificial magnetosphere...
 Usually this happen to planets and star when they incarnate themselves towards the vortexes of another bigger star, in the case of the device, you would being controlling the inclination of the vortexes, would than not be restrained by a main star, a free artificial magnetosphere wondering through the cosmos, and the best part is that any living being that where inside the outer ring cover, would be relatively protected from cosmic radiation...
  At least my least my concepts tells me so, the spinning of the outer ring due the artificial spiral disk will provide you infinite electric energy until the hardware break, but there is the point, its much more simple than a airplane technology, seems to be a more physical one, the two big questions are...
  What material the sphere would have to be made?
And what source of energy is being able to trigger the expansion on the interior?
Maybe the eletromagnetism itself would also do it trough eletricity, at least to set the device in motion, from that point the spinning of the outer ring would keep the system running until you turn it off, it would also charge your batteries so you would theoretical have power enough to start the engine again...
 My concept tells me that one should join the EM drive and the vortex technology in one...
Probably he also tough that the eletromagnetism alone was setting the device in motion, not the invisible horizontal spiral disk the eletromagnetism was producing around it...

 The vortex technology seem to have being discovered during the WW, but the inventor was captured and tortured and his last words where, "they took everything from me, I don't even own myself", of course it was back there...
 My advice, throw it on internet, post it under privacy settings and also do not try to hit keywords like anti-gravitational device, nor infinite free energy, and do it over many groups, using your real name, before all these you change the privacy settings and share it as much as you can...
If one try to hide or sell it, they will find you and will threat your family and you will surrender it to them, from that point as long as your care you will remain in silence, happened many times before... Governments only can do this kind of stuff if they feel safe to do it...
 And I don't really blame them for trying, I mean, humanity is not a rainbow of equality and tanks god for that, for the diversity, but than again, we need order, what about freaking people, from all nations, flying around at immensurable speeds throwing bombs without the possibilities of being caught?
 You need to present it as an free energy well explained system, and you need to be humble and all those qualities and show that you feel and share their pain, with respect, a citzen of the world, otherwise you will be rotulated as extremist by one side of the coind, this will happen one way or another, your posture could only hope to reduce the damage people would inclict one over the other, what I mean is if you do it, be aware of the consequences, feel the air when looking to the device, and prepare yourself because dispise the good news, alot of people will die...
 If one knows how to do it, do not teach how to build it, simple post a video and share the paper, the big question one should be asking himself is, would I''m became death too?
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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #10 on: 29/06/2016 23:42:32 »
Anti by definition means opposed to.  If we look at gravity , gravity is a linear attractive, contracting force between two masses.   Looking then for the opposite to this is looking for an expanding force.  This force already exists in the fact that likewise charges repel or in comparison ''expand'' from itself.   So it is already factual that anti-gravity exists although that is just my opinion.

 

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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #11 on: 30/06/2016 07:21:08 »
You go as public as you can with it, broadcast on every news network within a short span.

A similar case happened with Bob Lazar, who claims he worked on anti gravity propulsion at Area 51.


With the unfortunate state of selfishness in today's society, you could probably patent the idea and nobody would be able to pry it from you (except the government themselves, or they'd just buy it from you for billions and you wouldn't refuse). This means affordable anti-gravity wouldn't be available until you were dead, since you would probably value this as a product exclusive to the richest people in the world. If you DID make it available at automobile prices then I'd expect at least one anonymous oil cartel would whack you regardless of consequences, just on Mafia mentality even if it wouldn't stop the technological revolution at hand. Actually, thinking about it, the most realistic expectation would be that you would be instantly recruited as a private specialist at a top secret base and bought outright by the government. Be very careful to read their fine print when signing away your rights!

Fun fact: Bob Lazar has patented a hydrogen motor that can convert any car into a fuel-less automobile.

As for evidence of UFOs, we have numerous radar reports of craft exceeding 10000mph. Pilots and astronauts constantly see things in the sky but choose not to report them. Astronauts Buzz Aldrin, Edgar Mitchell and Gordon Cooper, who walked on the moon with Neil Armstrong, are convinced aliens exist, having had personal experiences both in space and on Earth. The more you know!
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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #12 on: 04/07/2016 05:09:18 »
a current of gravito-magnetic monopoles would create antigravity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectromagnetism

maybe neutrinos are gravito-magnetic monopoles
 

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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #13 on: 04/07/2016 06:38:05 »
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What would happen to the inventor of anti gravity. Hypothetically what if I told you I Invented a UFO like ship that levitates using some weird magnetic effect like the meissener effect, but my ship can fly all the way into space. first of all, would you believe me? probably not.
Your ideas are mixed up. People don't believe in UFOs because too many people have lied about them in the past. But the real reason people don't believe them is because they themselves have never saw one which they knew was a UFO. Nobody has ever been able to examine one up close. But you're not talking about a UFO since by definition they're unidentified. You're talking about an antigravity device. If you invented one then you could definitely show it to those people who were interested in such things, such as NASA or the department of defense or the car companies.

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you could end up dead in a dich because you just uncovered the most massive coverup...
That's just paranoid nonsense. Their has never been any reason to suspect that anything like that has ever happened in this country. On the contrary, there are now electric cars which run on electricity, not gasoline. But the electricity eventually comes from power supplied by either burning oil, capturing wind power or nuclear plants. The more electric cars there are then the more oil that the electric companies would need to charge them. An antigravity device would require energy which would be supplied to then by electricity just as electric cars are. That power would also come from power plants which would require much more oil to burn to generate that electricity

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If I didn't want to die, which I don't. then what must I do?
Call a newspaper and show it to a reporter. Once that's done then you're all set. But you have no need to fear dying anyway. You're just being paranoid by believing in a conspiracy theory. I won't eve bother trying to convince you that they don't exist because like any conspiracy theorist, they build their responses or more conspiracies. It's just not possible to prove that something doesn't exist. That's how such people remain in their delusions.
 

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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #14 on: 04/07/2016 10:30:32 »
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What would happen to the inventor of anti gravity. Hypothetically what if I told you I Invented a UFO like ship that levitates using some weird magnetic effect like the meissener effect, but my ship can fly all the way into space. first of all, would you believe me? probably not.
Your ideas are mixed up. People don't believe in UFOs because too many people have lied about them in the past. But the real reason people don't believe them is because they themselves have never saw one which they knew was a UFO. Nobody has ever been able to examine one up close. But you're not talking about a UFO since by definition they're unidentified. You're talking about an antigravity device. If you invented one then you could definitely show it to those people who were interested in such things, such as NASA or the department of defense or the car companies.

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you could end up dead in a dich because you just uncovered the most massive coverup...
That's just paranoid nonsense. Their has never been any reason to suspect that anything like that has ever happened in this country. On the contrary, there are now electric cars which run on electricity, not gasoline. But the electricity eventually comes from power supplied by either burning oil, capturing wind power or nuclear plants. The more electric cars there are then the more oil that the electric companies would need to charge them. An antigravity device would require energy which would be supplied to then by electricity just as electric cars are. That power would also come from power plants which would require much more oil to burn to generate that electricity

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If I didn't want to die, which I don't. then what must I do?
Call a newspaper and show it to a reporter. Once that's done then you're all set. But you have no need to fear dying anyway. You're just being paranoid by believing in a conspiracy theory. I won't eve bother trying to convince you that they don't exist because like any conspiracy theorist, they build their responses or more conspiracies. It's just not possible to prove that something doesn't exist. That's how such people remain in their delusions.

hahaha, lets assume hypotcaly that the man has build a "weido" device that levitates usign electromagnetism, at that very moment is acceptable that he himself just by observing the device noticed the science lalse claim concept that was forged so no one could possible build one following the laws....  An acdental discovery, as being a long time since science has being based on theories, and as Tesla claim, a theory produces its own matematical laws and other theoryes, everytime geting more way from the reallity...
  I don't believe in alien life visiting us, I do believe that USA black on the WW have captured the inventor of the Vortex technoledge, he himself claimed to have learnet it observing nature, his discoveries into how to generate more eficient electrical powers usign rivers are still being using to this very day, and the time that he was captured and tortured match with some of the most grownded science discoveries, Einstei also helped the american government into providing inteligence...

 Of course much speculation, but if you really thing that he's delusional, oh boy...

Bet with you from the whole of people claiming to have seen 100 UFO, 99 of them were lying, and the other one seen a government experiment with their own ships...
 Of course you can always try to eneter area 51 to check it for your self, were your taxes have being spend, like 2,7 trilhons of dollas deficit with petagon just 24 horus after they "let" the towers happen, of course it wasn't them that flying the planes nor the missile on the pentagon, but the cleaning team had already set the explosives on the base, you know just in case...
 I fall I win, if down I win to, all the way into the "black hole"...

And one more thing burn gasolin to set a vortex technoledge or a EM Drive in motion, are you serious?
 Once the thing is set in motion it charges its own batteries using space energy, the movement conserves the reaction, the only oil you need to burn is to build it, and only for a few years before you change it from infinity energy devices....

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Re: Anti gravity machine
« Reply #15 on: 04/07/2016 21:15:32 »
The universe itself is an anti-gravity machine. Positive gravity holds us to the earth. Negative gravity pushes  matter within the universe apart as the universe expands.
   Producing negative gravity to move a space ship is not readily possible. The best we can hope for is finding a way to convert the protons into photons. This is very difficult as the proton is very stable but it may be possible someday by future man.
 

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