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Dog (A) seems to be reacting to the possibility that dog (B) will view (A) as having been responsible, after it (B) has just been struck by play object (X)

Dog (A) knows it did it but, it doesn't know if dog (B) knows
4 (80%)
Dog (A) thinks dog (B) will be angry at it because (A) was playing with (X) when (B) was accidentally struck
0 (0%)
There is actually a spider (S) underneath dog (B) and dog (A) is terrified of spiders (it really is)
0 (0%)
Some other reason
1 (20%)
I am completetely misinterpreting the body language of the black dog
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 5

Voting closed: 07/10/2013 05:42:35

Author Topic: Are there any documented cases of canines using objects as weapons?  (Read 7415 times)

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Here is a brief rundown of what happens.

p.s. your poll question and answers are loaded (i.e. not unbiased). I disagree with the premise and also would select 'I am probably misinterpreting some or all of the body language of the dogs' if it was an available option.


Yes it is...option 5

Critical analysis is really only useful after careful observation.

Is there a dog behavior expert reading this who can disagree with the analysis in the pdf file?

no, there isn't....why?........because it is correct!

"...I fear you may have an unhealthy obsession with this unremarkable event ;)" ?
:) attacking the poster...I fear you are losing this chess game my friend ;)
« Last Edit: 09/09/2013 02:53:11 by Bonaparte »
 

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Please let me explain.

My location precludes discussion with intelligent rational thinkers.

I have observed something which I consider not in the least trivial and after much analysis and observation have reached certain conclusions.

But I need to confirm these conclusions, so I come to this site because I know you are young, keen scientists who I had hoped might recognise that there was actually something rather unusual here.

The hierarchical structure of a small canine pack has been altered without so much as a look. Yes to me that is interesting. I would rather be told exactly what it is I have mis-interpreted and why then simply been told "poppycock" because I can go to the nearest petrol station and get that.
 

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But I need to confirm these conclusions, so I come to this site because I know you are young, keen scientists who I had hoped might recognise that there was actually something rather unusual here.
Sadly, I'm no longer a young, keen scientist - but sometimes experience trumps youth and enthusiasm.

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I would rather be told exactly what it is I have mis-interpreted and why then simply been told "poppycock" because I can go to the nearest petrol station and get that.
Why don't you find a qualified and experienced researcher into canine or animal behaviour (I'd avoid people calling themselves animal psychologists), and ask their opinion? They should be able to give informed opinion. If you've really discovered something extraordinary, the world should be told; if you haven't, you should be told.

I anticipate three possibilities, in order of likelihood:

1. You've probably misinterpreted the behaviour.
2. Your interpretation is plausible but not a novel observation.
3. Your interpretation is plausible and entirely novel; you've made a significant contribution to the field.

Another online forum where there may be more relevant and well-informed experts (I know there are working vets, and probably animal behaviourists) is the JREF (James Randi Educational Forums) Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology forum.

Good luck; be prepared for disappointment.
 

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Why don't you find a qualified and experienced researcher into canine or animal behaviour (I'd avoid people calling themselves animal psychologists), and ask their opinion? They should be able to give informed opinion. If you've really discovered something extraordinary, the world should be told........

That's why I'm here.

There is nothing more annoying is there, then a person with a new idea who knows he is right?
 

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That's why I'm here.
I think you'll have a better chance of finding appropriate expertise on the JREF forum I linked to above.
 

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I realize you haven't asked, so cannot know but, I actually am an expert dog behaviorist.

I am here to consult scientists, pointless, I'm gone. Bye.
 

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I realize you haven't asked, so cannot know but, I actually am an expert dog behaviorist.
Really? so what did your expert colleagues and the various specialists you know say, before you posted on this public general science forum...?

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I am here to consult scientists, pointless, I'm gone. Bye.
OK, you've done that. Bye. I'm sure you'll be able to find someone out there to confirm your hypothesis.

How things have changed since this:
Thanks for taking the time to examine this, your opinion is valuable to me.
« Last Edit: 10/09/2013 10:48:13 by dlorde »
 

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Really? so what did your expert colleagues and the various specialists you know say...


Their opinion to date can be viewed in the poll results.

Sometimes the simplest explanation - although it seems the unlikeliest - is the correct one.

Holy quacking duck it's looking more and more like option one!
« Last Edit: 15/09/2013 07:02:30 by Bonaparte »
 

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Holy quacking duck it's looking more and more like option one!
Now to establish whether the action was intentional/deliberate...
« Last Edit: 15/09/2013 10:15:05 by dlorde »
 

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exactly my friend  :)

Perhaps my love of dogs since early childhood – a long time ago now, has borne fruit and, combined with blind luck to provide me an opportunity to give something back to these noble beings, who of all Earth’s creatures, must be her most generous gift to humankind.
 

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