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Discuss: Get the Frack Out of Here...
« on: 12/09/2013 20:09:07 »
Will fracking bring down energy prices and keep our lights on, or could  it be an environmental disaster? Kate Lamble and Ginny Smith speak to a  panel of experts about whether fracking  could really contaminate water  supplies or cause earthquakes. Plus, can methane from Shale Gas  extraction contribute to global warming?    In the news, whether a country's hygiene is linked to their  Alzheimer's rates, why we feel so good when we cheat and how to spot a pregnant panda...
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Re: Discuss: Get the Frack Out of Here...
« Reply #1 on: 16/09/2013 16:47:36 »
Why should anything reduce energy prices? As long as there is a market, stuff sells for the highest price anyone is prepared to pay. There are so many steps between initial extraction and retail that the final cost has very little to do with the primary cost. There is no real competition to sell - when the price of crude oil increases, all retail suppliers increase their prices within a few days, even though today's crude won't be on sale to the public for at least a year, and if nobody bought the crude at today's inflated price, it would be cheaper tomorrow. And for as long as people believe the myth about global warming, most of what you pay is a very populist tax.   
 

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« Reply #2 on: 16/09/2013 20:35:05 »
Fracking is very controversial in the US as well. An interesting series of articles is available here:
http://www.propublica.org/series/fracking
 

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Re: Discuss: Get the Frack Out of Here...
« Reply #3 on: 16/09/2013 21:41:56 »
Why should anything reduce energy prices? As long as there is a market, stuff sells for the highest price anyone is prepared to pay. There are so many steps between initial extraction and retail that the final cost has very little to do with the primary cost. There is no real competition to sell - when the price of crude oil increases, all retail suppliers increase their prices within a few days, even though today's crude won't be on sale to the public for at least a year, and if nobody bought the crude at today's inflated price, it would be cheaper tomorrow. And for as long as people believe the myth about global warming, most of what you pay is a very populist tax.   
WTF?
Most of the cost of many, if not most, fuels was tax long before anyone thought of global warming.
The energy market is hugely distorted but not having to transport fuel halfway round the world would help reduce price pressure and economics 101 tells you that if the supply increases, the price falls.
If, as most of the scientists who study the actual evidence believe, burning fossil fuels contributes to global warming then burning gas from fracking will raise the world's temperature and that's a bad idea.
If more than a small fraction of that gas escapes then it will offset any possible gain due to the relatively low CO2 yield per KW Hr of gas.

This is a way for energy companies to continue with "business as usual" and should be recognised as such.

We can't keep doing that.
 

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