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Offline Expectant_Philosopher

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Destined for Something Greater
« on: 30/09/2013 06:13:06 »
If so, then what's holding us back? Is it a worry of things that will be lost?  Is it an inertia for the way things are?  We will improve on power generation, through conservation of natural resources, renewable energy, and fusion power, all of which speak to the idea of either very cheap or absolutely free.  Free power equates to a human ability to provide enough food to feed all it's teeming populations.  Free power will change the status quo of the world economy.  With fusion power we would be modern day alchemists, with the ability to change lead into Gold, all it takes is fusing another atom onto the molecular element of lead.  We could even make gold from Nitrogen if we wanted. We could manufacture shelter out of thin air.  Medical science will find the cure for many diseases, even unto old age itself, which will have dramatic effect on population densities around the world.   If we live forever what then heaven? Where will religions take us for refuge from the never achievable afterlife?  Will the met survival needs make us able to achieve even greater or will we devolve into something more violent?  I believe we are destined for something greater and that as humans we will strive for the good, and to take the discoveries that providence has provided to create something even better than we have had.  I am hopeful that our achievements will provide wonder how we could survived our past to reach this state of nirvana.


 

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Re: Destined for Something Greater
« Reply #1 on: 30/09/2013 09:31:39 »
Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

"renewable" = unreliable. That's physics. Or unaffordable - that's economics.

Fusion power was "5 years away" 50 years ago, "10 years away" 20 years ago, and "20 years away" last year.  Blue shift or dead duck? Either way, it doesn't look like converging to a solution to any practical problem.

Teeming population a good thing? Not to the average commuter in London or Mumbai, nor to the politicians who have to find ways of occupying the growing numbers of unemployed to prevent them rioting or breeding even more unemployables. Fact is that we don't need more people, and anything you don't need is a burden, not an asset.

Changing lead into gold would be fun, but it would depress the value of gold and seriously upset the world's economy, which is to some extent dependent on the unforgeability of noble metals. What happens when you screw with the economy? More unemployment or war. 

Do we really want to live for ever? If there is no end to life, there's no reason to do anything today - tomorrow will be OK. And who wants 150 years of being unemployed?

The only positive hope from all this is that common sense will displace religion, but there's a lot of money and firepower behind the peddlers of superstition, so it won't be easy. 

And the one thing that unlimited free energy will certainly do is to raise the temperature of the planet (damn physics again) to the point that everyone complains and blames everyone else. Face it, they are doing it right now, despite a complete lack of evidence!

My hope is that humanity will control the one thing that is entirely within our control - the human population. With about one fifth of the present population we could live well and sustainably for as long as the sun shines. By getting rid of religion we could take a rational and humane approach to suicide and allow professionals to deliver a painless death to suffering humans, just as we insist on doing for all other species. The best song that was ever banned by the BBC was "Live fast, love hard, die young". It should be everyone's motto. 
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Re: Destined for Something Greater
« Reply #2 on: 18/12/2013 18:27:20 »



My hope is that humanity will control the one thing that is entirely within our control - the human population. With about one fifth of the present population we could live well and sustainably for as long as the sun shines. By getting rid of religion we could take a rational and humane approach to suicide and allow professionals to deliver a painless death to suffering humans, just as we insist on doing for all other species. The best song that was ever banned by the BBC was "Live fast, love hard, die young". It should be everyone's motto.
Now that we have that problem solved, we only have one left. Who can we trust to exercise sufficient wisdom to decide who dies next?

Tongue in cheek!!
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Re: Destined for Something Greater
« Reply #3 on: 18/12/2013 19:05:02 »
If we could, say, extend our lives to 1000 years, then we would have to reduce the young population.  You'd still have a 2 children per couple replacement number, but the population could balloon to 10x the current numbers due to the elderly.

Immortality would require strict birth control.

It seems like there is a lot of Oxygen and Nitrogen in the air.  But, without them, we'd all die.  Convert rocks to gold if you wish, but please leave the oxygen and nitrogen in the air.
 

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