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Offline McKay

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Matter is absence of space?
« on: 17/11/2013 12:44:35 »
I have this itch in my head that makes me believe that there is actually just space, not space and matter.
That is - matter could be considered as the absence of space (bubbles in water).
*If we take a complete vacuum, there is energy in it, the zero point energy, and if we want to get rid of that energy, to create a region of even lower energy, we actually end up creating matter..
*If we want to separate two quarks, we create matter (quarks) in the process..
*Photons would travel trough matter slower because there is just less.. space for it to propagate trough (as sound waves propagate slower trough medium of lower density).
*If we consider matter as the absence of space, then gravity becomes rather simple - these bubbles (matter) will "want" to go to a region of lower pressure, like normal thermodynamics..  And a region of lower pressure is around gravitating bodies, as there is more space around gravitating bodies (call it curvature, compressed space or something else)   
.. Now, why does matter (absence of space?) deforms space creating curvatures (compressed space).. the itch doesn't say that.

What do you think about that?
« Last Edit: 17/11/2013 12:49:46 by McKay »


 

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Re: Matter is absence of space?
« Reply #1 on: 18/11/2013 20:13:38 »
Pardon?
 

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Re: Matter is absence of space?
« Reply #2 on: 19/11/2013 19:42:32 »
There are large accelerations (expansions) of space occurring in the universe without any corresponding increase or decrease in matter, so there doesn't seem to be a connection.
 

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Re: Matter is absence of space?
« Reply #3 on: 19/11/2013 22:04:57 »
Why would matter become more or less as space expands?
 

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Re: Matter is absence of space?
« Reply #4 on: 20/11/2013 04:54:12 »
If you don't see a connection between the amount of space and the amount of matter, then neither do I. What was the question?
 

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Re: Matter is absence of space?
« Reply #5 on: 16/12/2013 10:24:45 »
The question is something like this: is it conceivable that the only thing that actually exists is space and what we consider as matter is just distortions in space "fabric" ?   
It somehow makes much more sense.
Another phenomena quite easily visualized - quantum tunneling and "being in two places at the same time" - space is wavy at nuclear scale and sometimes the waves grow and collide in such a way, that the same particle (absence of space) is in one side of a wave and pushing trough to the other side of the wave - making it appear the the particle is in two places at the same time..
 

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Re: Matter is absence of space?
« Reply #6 on: 18/12/2013 16:21:06 »
The question is something like this: is it conceivable that the only thing that actually exists is space and what we consider as matter is just distortions in space "fabric" ?   


Are you advocating the thought experiment that space/time is nothing more than complex geometry? If this is the case, you'll need to suggest for us; in what medium this geometry is functioning. The geometry of nothingness is meaningless.................................
« Last Edit: 18/12/2013 16:29:42 by Ethos_ »
 

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Re: Matter is absence of space?
« Reply #7 on: 23/12/2013 18:30:57 »
Not really just complex geometry...  why cant there just be space as .. well.. super-fluid-like-something? It would not be geometry of nothing, it would be geometry of .. "space fabric"
We know that "empty space" has energy and is not completely empty at all - that [the fluctuations/ energy of "empty space"] may actually be the actual space itself. I disagree that there are virtual photons popping in and out of existence, I believe it is the actual space fabric that is fluctuating. And when one tries to clear the energy fluctuations of that region, matter is created.
 

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Re: Matter is absence of space?
« Reply #8 on: 29/12/2013 18:13:49 »
Well, since more space is being created, and if, as you say, that space fabric is fluctuating, then why don't we see more matter being created?
 

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Re: Matter is absence of space?
« Reply #9 on: 31/12/2013 16:25:25 »
There are large accelerations (expansions) of space occurring in the universe without any corresponding increase or decrease in matter, so there doesn't seem to be a connection.
These large accelerations I think are observations that do not take into account the thinner space/time of outer regions. Galaxies are covering the same amount of distance but because  the fabric of space gets thinner the further out from the central mass being observed -  that distance and therefore (Measured speed) has been miscalculated.
 

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