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Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« on: 03/08/2006 00:27:09 »

Red and Grey squirrels and the pox



Firstly, while many comments are made regarding the threat grey squirrels make to their red cousins, but I assume that the converse is also true, that since the two cousins are in competition, the demise of the red squirrel is an advantage to the grey squirrel.

Secondly, if the above is true, can it be assumed that squirrel pox, which I understand causes disproportionate harm to red squirrels, actually has a symbiotic relationship with the grey squirrel?



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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #1 on: 05/08/2006 03:24:21 »
It's Darwinian. Grey squirral is better at surviving than red squirrel. It's not the squirrels fault. Should we try to save the red squirrel if it is the weaker species.

Perhaps it is best to try and keep every species we have on the planet as mabye the red squirel produces an enzyme that will have medical benefits or something.

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #2 on: 05/08/2006 03:41:40 »
As the grey squirrel isnt native to the uk , i say treat them as vermin and help the red to survive.
 

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #3 on: 05/08/2006 03:58:03 »
That's a bit harsh.
 

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #4 on: 05/08/2006 12:42:00 »
Red squirrels are a lot more cuter than grey squirrels.I think so anyway.

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #5 on: 05/08/2006 14:59:27 »
Native is a relative concept.

Rabbits are not native to the British isles, neither are chickens, nor any other animals that our ancestors brought here to put in the pot.  Humans are not native to the British Isles (there was once a Britain without any humans in it).

To a squirrel, what does it care where its grandparents were born if it is born in these isles, then why is it any less native than any other squirrel born in these isles?  Would you make the same distinction between human populations that are 'native' (by some judgement of the past ancestry) to these isles?



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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #6 on: 06/08/2006 03:26:39 »
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Originally posted by cranial_implant

Red squirrels are a lot more cuter than grey squirrels.I think so anyway.

My head is not what it used to be.



So we should just save the cute species?

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #7 on: 06/08/2006 19:57:34 »
I don't think Cranial_Implant was drawing any conclusions by citing that he prefers (on a cuteness scale) Red squirrels to grey ones !

I tend to agree that I think Reds are cuter than Grey (but then I love redheads anyway)

It is true of course that no species are indigenous, (like George mentions.)

in this case the Red squirrel though, is in definitive danger of extinction should the grey be allowed to encroach into it's habitat !...I for one would be really upset to see it go

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #8 on: 07/08/2006 00:10:47 »
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in this case the Red squirrel though, is in definitive danger of extinction should the grey be allowed to encroach into it's habitat !...I for one would be really upset to see it go



And is this sufficient reason to go around killing greys?



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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #9 on: 07/08/2006 00:52:36 »
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Originally posted by another_someone

quote:
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in this case the Red squirrel though, is in definitive danger of extinction should the grey be allowed to encroach into it's habitat !...I for one would be really upset to see it go



And is this sufficient reason to go around killing greys?



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Actually, I think so.

I think a program of humanitarian sterilization techniques could be used here.

No one (no decent animal lover for which I am one) likes the thought of killing animals...but there are are many types of ways to control the numbers of a particular species....there are many culls (some are most certainly contentious) but I think if a  ' kind ' way could be found then I see no reason why there should not be a ' save the red squirrel' program in force.





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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #10 on: 07/08/2006 01:00:16 »
I know this is not exactly on topic, But here where i am from they hunt squirels for food! I can't stand the thought, but have been told they are good eating YUUUUCK!!!

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #11 on: 07/08/2006 01:04:08 »
I bet they're quite gamey !!...or...maybe they just taste like chicken...like everything else does !

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #12 on: 07/08/2006 01:23:41 »
I hear they are a bit like duck , greasy!

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #13 on: 07/08/2006 01:40:11 »
Don't see any problem with eating squirrels  - except they wont have a lot of meat on the carcass.  If we eat cattle, pigs, etc., then why not squirrels?

Probably taste a bit like rabbit, and I don't like rabbit maybe they taste nuttier?

Killing for food, I have no problem with.  Killing simply because something does not fit into our view of what the world order should be is another matter.

I don't consider myself an animal lover, but I don't really like the arrogant view that says we should say how the world should be, and kill anything that does not fit that model.

I am quite willing to do what is necessary for our own comfort and our own well-being, but simply remodelling the world because we think we know better does seem a bit arrogant.



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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #14 on: 07/08/2006 07:29:57 »
Squirrel burgers Karen? Vomitus Maximus lol.

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #15 on: 08/08/2006 10:31:56 »
Yep, I think My granmas old recipe file has a couple recipes for squirrel! YUCK! LOL THEY ARE TOO CUTE!

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #16 on: 08/08/2006 11:45:39 »
quote:
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Yep, I think My granmas old recipe file has a couple recipes for squirrel! YUCK! LOL THEY ARE TOO CUTE!

Karen



And rabbits are not?



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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #17 on: 08/08/2006 12:58:14 »
At least the tails make for a nice duster !....or perhaps an ordormnent for a ladys hair ? :)

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #18 on: 08/08/2006 13:30:46 »
I love bunnies too! DEER TOO< all of which are edible, but i don't eat them as they are so cute and the BAMBI FACTOR does not help either!! I could eat them for the flavor is fine and I have tasted them. But by choice choose to forego them for my palate!

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #19 on: 09/08/2006 08:47:14 »
This weeks episode of thenakedscientists is sponsored by "Granma's squirrel burgers". They're Crunchy !


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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #20 on: 09/08/2006 11:25:48 »
As I have said before, I am not a very visual person, in the sense that I do not have a strong emotional response to visual cues (not even to beautiful women every other sense than visual is more evocative for me), so being visually cute does not of itself make any difference to whether I will eat you or not.



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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #21 on: 10/08/2006 06:21:04 »
George, Thats quite funny! Poor whittle squirrel...run run little guys run!!!LOL!! Just ribbing you George! I am definitely a meat girl and if I had to, I would make due Squirrel or whatever!

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #22 on: 10/08/2006 11:25:16 »
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.
I am definitely a meat girl



But are you also tasty in the pot?[}:)]:D



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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #23 on: 10/08/2006 11:42:14 »
WOULDN"T YOU LIKE TO KNOW?:D;)

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Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
« Reply #24 on: 10/08/2006 12:08:04 »
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

I am definitely a meat girl

Karen



Eh Rephrase?

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