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Did neanderthals show compassion?
« on: 18/12/2013 01:34:30 »
Neanderthals Had Feelings Too, Say Researchers
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101005085505.htm

It's from 2010, but seems appropriate for the season.

The article dates indications of  compassion to six million years ago in a common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees.

In Neanderthals, "There is also archaeological evidence of the routine care of the injured or infirm over extended periods. These include the remains of a child with a congenital brain abnormality who was not abandoned but lived until five or six years old and those of a Neanderthal with a withered arm, deformed feet and blindness in one eye who must have been cared for, perhaps for as long as twenty years.."
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Re: neanderthals and compassion
« Reply #1 on: 19/12/2013 20:08:33 »
Is any of this species specific?

Most mammals as well as birds will care for their young. 

Years ago I caught an injured Golden Eagle (broken wing after being shot).  It lived long enough for the broken wing bones to begin to heal (incorrectly), and may have had help from its mate.

Animals may lick wounds of the injured (which seems to have a benefit for the injured), and herds can be fiercely protective against dangers to the group.

I remember raising a 3 legged pig (one deformed leg).  No special treatment.  Everyone expected it to die (as the weak often do).  However, it survived till market size.

While forbidden in our culture, some cultures may regard infanticide as a form of compassion.

Ritual disposal of corpses may be uniquely human, but may derive from sanitary considerations rather than compassion.
 

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Re: Did neanderthals show compassion?
« Reply #2 on: 09/02/2014 19:20:53 »
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CliffordK: ..."Animals may lick wounds of the injured (which seems to have a benefit for the injured),"...
The dog is the sacred animal of the goddess Gula , It is considered her alter ego is the dog.
http://www.matrifocus.com/IMB06/spotlight.htm (with reference to "licking", i have seen it much more directly referred to in research literature papers  as being a "treatment (and by a dog not them self) ordered by the Gula priests")

But what you didn't know and is around never mentioned because it is seen almost exclusively as "death" or "impending death" or "war"(researchers also interpret as "chaos") is that the ancient Egyptian "Anubus cult" was probably almost a medical cult. Many herbs and potions(aside to embalming) are found along with Anubus(Anubis or Hermanubis) areas.
**Possibly the rarest manifest depiction of Anubis It's Anput, Anubus' wife (with an element of Sobek at the ear position, and a youthful hair style wig - these appear to have had importance together from the time of Tutankamen to RamesisII -  a span of around 50 years and the artist is severely guilty of being a cartoonist!!! -  the "imiut" representations painted in his tomb indicate two imiut. Maybe they sent his crocodile with him to comfort him in the "barge"
(Anputs' duty)): http://www.flickr.com/photos/soloegipto/5089351966/sizes/l/
(better resolution note the side on wig section and ear area) http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_makkhcob7R1rgoah1o1_1280.jpg
(Tomb of Sennedjem TT1)

you may ever find. In some terms of it however, gods on the tomb walls beside the deceased "drawn this way" are always with them as can be seen in the background, but in one or two situations the depiction of the god with them is sometimes fused completely with drawn facets of another god also in the one drawn being(almost 90% of anything painted in their tombs that contains a deity in that picture are deities too just one two others whom are deceased). This one is unusual because the only clear indication it is Anubus not Sobek is the snout feature not properly indicating Sobek (except the area where there could be an ear - note: the eyes of Sobek and Anubus are generally carved or depicted the same way), but, Anubus' emblem is a black and white ox hide spattered with blood(not necessarily present in a picture). Anubus has various other depictions and statues with black and white though it is a little obscure color system for him,(more like what is used for worship, black and gold is like a totem house ornament) but it is a deliberate color system of his alike his red or blue band. (edited: what happened there???)
Aside Wepwewat and Upwawewet(The very foundation old gods unused since the very early dynasties) the only other Jackal for the picture is Duamutef(wait till you get a load of this one's abou' wo' guv!!!).
Anubus name means "opening of the ways" or "opening of the path" and or "cause change" or "force change" which finally in translation would mean to "cause to resolve" or "make a final resolution" alike Res Ipsa Des the Latin diagnosis.
** a. Sobek Picture(possibly Khnum position of the ear): http://www.flickr.com/photos/brostad/233469759/sizes/l/
b. http://factsanddetails.com/media/2/20120214-Sobek%20Kom_Ombo%20Sobek_0315.JPG
c. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Sobek_Oxford.jpg
As you can see the god depiction facets get fused a bit but it does help here prove the past 50 years of tomb walls has been a smirking satire cartoonist as employee!


In this next, take a look at the birdies handling and attitude! Isn't that sweet! CRUNCH! (It's subtle, think of tortuously standing around for hours to be polite while meeting them, and them having no idea how bad that's getting! NOTE: part of that picture is missing, she seems to be drawn twice, but the full picture is him drawn twice TOO behind himself, the other is a tea pot, perhaps that represents anesthetic or herbal relief!)
e.g. http://www.mitchellteachers.org/WorldHistory/AncientEgyptNearEastUnit/Images/EgyptDailyLife/AncientEgyptDailyLifeDomesticPic_large.jpg
CRUNCH! http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/collections/1987/images/df1987-020.gif

This is another of "that sort of a thing", These wolves are at it watching sideways, while the team support attracts your attention!
http://www.mitchellteachers.org/WorldHistory/AncientEgyptNearEastUnit/Images/EgyptDailyLife/AncientEgyptDailyLIfeMusicPic_large.jpg

**(added to correct links to clarify) Anput and Anubus together: these appear to have had importance together from the time of Tutankamen to RamesisII -  a span of around 50 years and the artist is severely guilty of being a cartoonist!!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Tomb_TT3_of_Pashedu_(Kairoinfo4u).jpg
TT3

In looking around for info that the picture is probably a rare depiction of "Anput" whom is Anubus' wife because that was mentioned where she usually sits in a reed boat with the deceased as described for what to paint by lines in "The book of the dead". Anputs' colour is black and white and repainted with what appears to be cartoon list of deities one of which is a black and white cow that would be "Isis"(godess).
Anputs' job is to assist by comforting the dead on their journey in the boat. (So is the artwork compassion or bullying, a stone mason would be quite a big guy)
Also, the opposite black jackal is probably Anput in another picture on upper end wall in the Tomb of Sennedjem a 19th Dynasty Mason(just in effect nobody is looking though with tails like those that would have been easy enough, its all in context).

If its any use in the context of understanding prehistoric compassion, Anput is an interesting point considering Anubus and his various character and titles!
note: http://egypt.hitchins.net/the-three-kingdoms/the-tomb-of-sennedjem.html
Just a point! This tomb rates some sort of sense of humor because he was a Mason for the Abydos but maybe had the best artwork of anything ever buried in ancient Egypt, it is far superior to any of the Pharaohs tombs artwork "except to the effect of expenses such as gold or jewels e.t.c.".

Interestingly, Anubus is not particularly credited with caring or compassion, However just before his cult was done away with in the later Dynasties he became the patron deity for orphans and deranged or misfits.(Long before Biblical times).
This clearly represents two completely different contrasts, one bothering to care, the other like a vulture waiting for death.

Of compassion at least , it's interesting you mention this...
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CliffordK: ..."While forbidden in our culture, some cultures may regard infanticide as a form of compassion"...
because Anubus is not known about much and his representative personification of death and destruction is a little overplayed by all that is known as he is not the most popular to research, well so considering the catacombs recently found that were part of the "Anubus cult of Cynopolis Major (South)".
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/share/research/projectreports/catacombsanubis/catacombs-of-anubis.html
Unfortanately good information about Anubus is obscure and scanty in any form.

Neandethalial era "caring" in terms of war or argument seems from the information curious mixture of both modern reverence for life and serial killing(psychological profile) for what little has been found e.g. a deep cave in Spain i think it is where there were hundreds of bodies found slaughtered.
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