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Right things for wrong reasons !
« on: 06/08/2006 22:28:23 »
We certianly need other ' ology ' forums

Is it really possible to do the right thing for the wrong reason, or the wrong thing for the right reason ?

I don't know...do you ?

Some examples would be nice


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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #1 on: 06/08/2006 23:16:05 »
HI Neil,
I think it is possible to do the right thing for the wrong reason, I have been doing it for over ten years, But cannot elaborate! I think both are possible but I really don't understand why people do them! It just happens, Circumstance dictate what people do in their own hearts and sometimes rational takes a back burner out of neccesity. Life decisions, and basic needs must also factor in and what may be the right for one, may not be right to someone else or vice versa! That is a very very hard question as there are so many factors to weigh in about the situation or decision!

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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #2 on: 07/08/2006 00:01:46 »
I stay at my job for the right reason but for the wrong thing???

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« Reply #3 on: 07/08/2006 00:56:13 »
Yes I have been there too!

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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #4 on: 07/08/2006 01:34:43 »
lol  it is so sad...but I am so glad..

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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #5 on: 07/08/2006 07:07:11 »
Killing one person to save millions. Killing it wrong isn't it but if it saved millions would it not be just?

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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #6 on: 08/08/2006 11:37:02 »
What is right and wrong? I am not sure that there are any moral absolutes. Who judges if the reason for anything is right or wrong. You may do something and the result isn't what you expect....... but not sure about the morals
 

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« Reply #7 on: 08/08/2006 12:44:13 »
quote:
Originally posted by Mjhavok

Killing one person to save millions. Killing it wrong isn't it but if it saved millions would it not be just?

Steven



I see your point and thank you for your response Steven.


Perhaps this is a case where in fact it's the other way round Steven that , as awful as it sounds, killing one person to save millions could be argued as doing the right thing for the wrong reason.....in that...if for some bizarre reason the only way to save these millions would be by the sacrifice of one person then that could be seen to be right.................

.......and the fact that the circumstance exists in the first place is wrong.



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By the way...I am not here to say what is right or what is wrong ..I'm eager to learn to so I often take the role of devils advocate

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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #8 on: 08/08/2006 12:44:59 »

quote:
Originally posted by moonfire

I stay at my job for the right reason but for the wrong thing???

"Lo" Loretta



Explain ? :)

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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #9 on: 08/08/2006 12:50:36 »
quote:
Originally posted by Carol-A

What is right and wrong? I am not sure that there are any moral absolutes. Who judges if the reason for anything is right or wrong. You may do something and the result isn't what you expect....... but not sure about the morals



Hi Carol *waves at Carol*

Welcome to the site.

Thank you for your comment.

Of course you have opened this up to be the BIG topic between right and wrong and if we are to first agree on the definitions then we could take forever but I am just trying to see if there are some relatively clear examples where the answer is not so indeterminate.


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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #10 on: 08/08/2006 13:13:55 »
I think Loretta might mean she stays at her job because she needs the cash to pay bills but she doesn't like the job? I know many people in that situation.

Am I right?

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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #11 on: 08/08/2006 16:39:14 »
quote:
Originally posted by Mjhavok

I think Loretta might mean she stays at her job because she needs the cash to pay bills but she doesn't like the job? I know many people in that situation.

Am I right?

Steven



I am not even sure it is as simple as Lo not liking her job - she does not like some aspects of it, but maybe she would not even be so infuriated by it if she disliked it so much that she did not actually care what happened.

But whatever the issues about that, is doing a job simply because you need the money really a 'wrong reason' for doing a job (I suppose if the job was prostitution, one could get into a complex debate about whether sex and money should mix, but most other jobs, money comes into it somewhere, and if you can get more than money, then that is a bonus).



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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #12 on: 08/08/2006 16:42:35 »
quote:
Originally posted by neilep
Is it really possible to do the right thing for the wrong reason, or the wrong thing for the right reason


How much doing “the wrong thing for the right reasons” overlap the issue of “the ends justify the means”?



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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #13 on: 08/08/2006 17:26:36 »
quote:
Originally posted by another_someone

quote:
Originally posted by neilep
Is it really possible to do the right thing for the wrong reason, or the wrong thing for the right reason


How much doing “the wrong thing for the right reasons” overlap the issue of “the ends justify the means”?



George




He's good isn't he ?....(sorry George...do not mean to speak in the third person about ya)

Nice one George.

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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #14 on: 09/08/2006 01:51:39 »
quote:
Originally posted by neilep


quote:
Originally posted by moonfire

I stay at my job for the right reason but for the wrong thing???

"Lo" Loretta



Explain ? :)

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I stay at my job to help people get their issues straigtened out...but the wrong reason is I end up not taking off early enough to rest myself with just regular hours....

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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #15 on: 09/08/2006 02:01:47 »
quote:
Originally posted by Mjhavok

I think Loretta might mean she stays at her job because she needs the cash to pay bills but she doesn't like the job? I know many people in that situation.

Am I right?

Steven



I like my job as it is challenging...but I don't like the other jobs that should not be associated with it!  Cash to pay bills is important as I don't like being in debt..I have a goal I have set before myself and plan to achieve it!

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Re: Right things for wrong reasons !
« Reply #16 on: 09/08/2006 09:21:14 »
quote:
Originally posted by another_someone

quote:
Originally posted by Mjhavok

I think Loretta might mean she stays at her job because she needs the cash to pay bills but she doesn't like the job? I know many people in that situation.

Am I right?

Steven



I am not even sure it is as simple as Lo not liking her job - she does not like some aspects of it, but maybe she would not even be so infuriated by it if she disliked it so much that she did not actually care what happened.

But whatever the issues about that, is doing a job simply because you need the money really a 'wrong reason' for doing a job (I suppose if the job was prostitution, one could get into a complex debate about whether sex and money should mix, but most other jobs, money comes into it somewhere, and if you can get more than money, then that is a bonus).



George




So TRUE!!!  Good point George...

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