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Neat graphics but that doesn't correspond with reality ...

A propeller creates a vortex ... e.g.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:C17_Reverse_Thrust.JPG
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Is the idea that you're creating artificial lift by creating a mini tornado across the wings?

If not enclosed, it would be easy enough to fly through your vortex, and thus you'd loose it's lifting effect.

I'm trying to imagine the effect of carrying a closed system with oneself.  I think the problem is that you would create an area of low pressure above the wing, and high pressure below the wing.  If you enclosed it in a box, the high and low pressure regions in the box would cancel themselves out.  Not to mention having to carry the bulky apparatus.
 

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Why it won't work?

Already checked, than air you can divert and the force of the air does not "touch" to the box.

This allows the air to move without stop the plane backwards.

You can do this deflecting the air with atmospheric pressure:





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It is likely resulting, using the pressure of the air as object, i.e., that this propellant is ejecting a weight backwards and the weight do will not brake the blades or propellers

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If you had an empty sealed pipe in a ring shape, would you expect it to suddenly have "lift"?



Now, if you propelled air in a circle around inside of the ring, so that it passes by two fans, and over two fixed "wings", then what?



You would find that in the second situation, you would get no more lift than in the first situation.  Consider what is happening to the air outside of your ring, which is absolutely nothing. 

Pressures inside the ring would all cancel out, and there would be no net movement of the ring.
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If you had an empty sealed pipe in a ring shape, would you expect it to suddenly have "lift"?



Now, if you propelled air in a circle around inside of the ring, so that it passes by two fans, and over two fixed "wings", then what?



You would find that in the second situation, you would get no more lift than in the first situation.  Consider what is happening to the air outside of your ring, which is absolutely nothing. 

Pressures inside the ring would all cancel out, and there would be no net movement of the ring.



It is likely resulting, using the pressure of the air as object, i.e., that this propellant is ejecting a weight backwards and the weight do will not brake the blades or propellers.

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Victor Elias Espinoza Guedez
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They are square wings...



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This character has been posting nonsense on forums for some time. Where the meaning can be made out, it's 'not even wrong'; where the meaning can't be made out, it's best left alone.
 

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