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#### DanielB

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##### The Singularity
« on: 08/03/2014 01:50:08 »

When it comes to explaining the Singularity, the existence of what it is, was in my mind that kept me, from what I feel was behind closed doors.   And of course, it was the fact, that all I ever heard was nothing would travel faster than the speed of light.  700,000,000 miles an hour,,, Kind of fast if you know what I mean.

And I was  thinking about a Massive Star, 1,000,000,000 miles across,, the (Black Hole Makers) and of course , knowing when they are made, the Jets, that rip out through it's coronal edges, and blasting out within seconds of the fuel running out.  And only done when the gravity, rushes in , compressing the core.

Well that can't be, because that would mean, it should take the gravity, to move down to the singularity, about  1 hour and 20 minutes.  And the only other way it could do that, would be with not only gravity compressing, but if that were the  case, wouldn't that also create a gravitational vacuum that would follow and compress even denser initially.  I would see it as Hyper gravity, and with the way that gravity causes rotation, and closing in upon a object already in rotation, by the laws of inertia and compression, gives the core, the Hyper drive.  Creating Compression Fusion, the heat that would be inside the core as that of the star, but heating and compressing.

This is the point, that Hyper Gravity, and Density, along with the Compression would compress atoms into atoms, fusing them, and since by compression.  Two atoms would be occupying the same space, as pressed into one.   And the Dark matter would be radiated, giving off dark energy.

Singularity, the final point of compression fusion where two atoms become one.

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##### Re: The Singularity
« Reply #1 on: 08/03/2014 02:39:38 »
This would be why every physicist will tell you, at the edges of the Event Horizon, when spaghettification would occur, and then pulling the atoms from your feet stronger than your head.  Until it literally would pull the atoms from your body, it does all matter the same way.  Star's, planet's, and galaxies, breaking them down to atom form, for what it's been doing since the moment of it's creation.  Breaking matter down into atoms, crushing them to the point of singularity, where when the crushing effect, takes two into one.  That energy would be released and radiated, over and over .
It's breaking down it's dinner, burping at times, but getting matter broken down to the level that it can ingest it for the recycling of our cosmos.  Where Mc2=E

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##### Re: The Singularity
« Reply #2 on: 08/03/2014 03:12:24 »
MC2=E

Now if you look at it  M(atter)C(ompressed)2(x's occupying space)=E(nergy)
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##### Re: The Singularity
« Reply #3 on: 08/03/2014 03:33:20 »
MC2=E

when you think about what type of energy that would produce,  in the presence of Hyper Gravity (yea I love that word lol) .

Dark Energy= Would be the product of matter transfer to energy with Compression Fusion,  in which the energy release was done without a photon burst of nuclear fusion, and no light discharged, there for rendering the energy created unseen.   No photon discharge, aka no light, you can't see it ,, aka Dark Energy.  Waste particles from the compression fusion, Dark Matter.

(yawns) ok I am talking to myself again.  Nite , and if you have read this far.  You need to sleep,,this stuff will fry your brain.     Peace and Luv.

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##### Re: The Singularity
« Reply #4 on: 08/03/2014 04:18:00 »
Would this mean then,, that with a galaxy with a black hole formed around it,, you could almost see, the black hole,, emitting dark matter,, and radiating the energy.  And as it does, when it pulls in the billions of stars, that hang as we do now in our spiral dance among the cosmos..

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##### Re: The Singularity
« Reply #5 on: 08/03/2014 05:05:23 »
And this would mean that the existence of a black hole down to what it's actually doing, kind of works in the realm of physics.  Not out of it.

And if I see it that way, I would see the string theory , more of the fact, at how galaxies, and stellar life exist, in the fabric of our universal web, created by black holes, through dark matter supporting everything, and instead of the destroyers of life.   Would then become the creators of life.  Giving us the home inside of it's many arms,, a place to grow, and learn.

(coming next week, how dark matter and dark energy are used for time dilation )

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##### Re: The Singularity
« Reply #6 on: 08/03/2014 15:39:32 »
P.S.  you may want to rethink, a black hole, actually swallowing up another, the laws of physic's would cause for gravitational forces to break the smaller one down into atom's.  Either that,, or two spinning tops, with solid core's and possible infinite power colliding.

Now that would be the event horizon (solid core) that I would love to watch and see how it would play out.

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##### Re: The Singularity
« Reply #7 on: 09/03/2014 22:07:16 »
How do you figure dark matter and dark energy, coming from a black hole. A black hole is collapsing matter due to the high intensity of gravity it is not forming a solid rock, or fusion. If you have some evidence to  support this theory, Please explain.

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##### Re: The Singularity
« Reply #8 on: 09/03/2014 22:26:08 »
Is it possible to fuse two atoms together, ((Without)) producing engergy?

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##### Re: The Singularity
« Reply #9 on: 09/03/2014 22:40:12 »
Is it possible to fuse two atoms together, ((Without)) producing engergy?

Yes, if one is Iron-sized , or bigger ...

Quote from: e-education.psu.edu
when you fuse iron, the product of iron fusion has more mass than the reactants. Therefore, iron fusion does not create energy; instead, iron fusion requires the input of energy.
https://www.e-education.psu.edu/astro801/content/l6_p5.html

Quote from: wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleosynthesis
Supernova nucleosynthesis is also thought to be responsible for the creation of elements heavier than iron and nickel, in the last few seconds of a type II supernova event. The synthesis of these heavier elements absorbs energy (endothermic) as they are created
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleosynthesis
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##### Re: The Singularity
« Reply #10 on: 10/03/2014 01:50:37 »
Alan,

The evidence to support my theory ,,, is easy,, I don't have it..    Then again,, it's either that,, or you would believe in the possibility of the string theory and it's , something outside the realm of physic's.  And a magical gate way to another universe, in representation of a multi-verse.  Where the objects there, would have passed through such gravitational forces to the point,  of where their density, would be,, just monumental.

No,, I myself have to go with what it's doing,, gravity, is kicking some ass.

Now, I promise you,,, if I put something down,, and you know for a fact, it's wrong, by all means, please tell me,  I crave knowing.  Same as you do, and the only pure science to me,, is truth, it's why we seek it.

When gravity, wins the battle with a Super Massive Star,, it slams in on the core,  but with Hyper forces,, compression, causing the temperature to go off the charts, as matter is compressed.  You and I both know that is way gravity works, but it's also got a rotation to it.  It's like having a old fashioned spinning top,, add a good round swift kick to the super compression,, and by the laws of physic's.   And I am no mathmagican , yes I spelled, that correctly to me, because a mathematician to me, does that magic.  I don't have the number's thing down.  Oh well.

But would the force cause the core to spin? Yea it would.  (Because they rotate at such a high rate of speed )

Would a solid core, as compressed have super density?  Yes it would.  (Because you can measure the surface speed)

Would it induce Hyper gravity?  Yes it would (Pulls billions of stars around it)

Would it break down the very atoms of matter?  Yes it would  (Accretion disk is there) (and spaghettification)

Can compresion fusion exist?  (This would be the instance of the singularity)

Would compressed atoms into the other upon the compression , instead of nuclear fusion,, then cause both atoms to discharge energy?   ( if it will not,, then my question would be ,, why not?)

See,, some say,, Dark Matter,, (in theory)  was here at the beginning of the universe,, while at the same time,, say there are multi verses, and black holes are gateways.   I am putting it here, to clear my head of those thoughts, and look at what it is exactly, I see with my own eyes.

Why would a black hole emit dark matter or dark energy?    How about this, if it's creating energy, and compressed fusion, would be occuring, just on again the basic laws of physic's.   Add two atoms,, with a cup of Hyper Gravity,, no need to stir it,, the Hyper gravity, already has that taken care of,, and Boom energy.

When a super massive star, burns out the last of the nuclear energy, the gravity closes in,, yea, you know I was going to use it as my example.  :)  This is the fun part of a Theory,  you get to play with your idea's.  (again basic laws of physic's and thoughts)

Canis Majoris.   It's diameter is 1.8 billion miles,,  RFB=Really Freaking Big.

On the scale of black holes,, it would crush objects down to what they say,, is,, what?  1/10 of their size.  With out a doubt, atoms would fuse.   And since there is no energetic build up, not one that we have seen in our lifetime or evidence, of a explosion of that level.   Ever recorded, heard, scanned, etc.......  It would then on the laws of basic physic's,, just not on a level you would normally think of,, matter transformed into Energy by compression. (you know I always spell energy wrong, and have to retype it) .

Anyway,, as I was saying,, say, Canis Majoris, goes Hyper Nova,, (first thing,, let's just say it's not as big as it is,, and instead of the 1.8 billion miles in diameter,, lets cut it down to just 1 billion miles in diameter.  No,, I tell you what,,let's cut  it once more down to .5 half a billion miles  in diameter, 500,000,000 miles .

Ok,,its in space rotating (its what gravitydoes)  and we run out of fuel,, And it's mass is well over 100 times that of our own star (the sun) I love that we name our star.   Anyway,, we know that when this happens,, the inner core, will compress and eat the inside of the star, causing the Quaser to Erupt through it's corona.   Before the star even collapses.  And this is done within seconds,, Physicist will tell you,, it happens quickly,, Not,, about hour later.  It's all the same,,within seconds.,, and then of course the sheer awesome power of the Quasar's.   (Yea I think they are just  pure beauty.)

Gravity, from the Corona's edge to the singularity..... we cut that in half,, and then in half,,and then in half again just on the size of,, half a billion , 500,000,000 miles..   And yet within seconds of running out of  fuel,, the compression is done. That would mean that gravity would have to travel at how fast?

If speed of light is 700,000,000 miles a hour.  Wouldn't it take like forty minutes,, for gravity,traveling at the speed of light ,,to slam into core for the compression?  And yes, I understand gravity waves,, and that they are constant.   So that  also add's, to constant compression for fusion, and since gravity is also directional.

This force would hit,, and produce,, everything, I have put.  Again,,If you see any part of that puzzle,, that goes in any direction,, that is other than down to the sigularity. Please, tell me.

Again,,this is (My) Theory,,, where the road to discovery start's.   LOL If I had proof, or evidence, it wouldn't be a theory, now would it.

The question's when it comes a theory,, is,, first and foremost,,is it viable?   Does it have merit?  Could it be theoretically possible?

Then, it's the search for proof, and evidence to support it.

(But I can tell you one thing,,to me,,I don't see a gateway)  Just gravity doing what it's been doing since the very first,, Hyper Nova,, building galaxies.  And producing a energy.  And if you cannot see the energy or matter in the fusion compression.  Would it not be dark?

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##### Re: The Singularity
« Reply #11 on: 10/03/2014 03:32:55 »
How do you figure dark matter and dark energy, coming from a black hole. A black hole is collapsing matter due to the high intensity of gravity it is not forming a solid rock, or fusion. If you have some evidence to  support this theory, Please explain.

Laws of basic physic's, if you want to heat something up,,, you compress it.  Now add in,, Hyper gravity compressing down to the singularity.  The temperature's would be off the charts,, and while I don't know,, you can fathom well over 15 million degree's.  And with heated atoms, being pressed into each other,  there would only be one outcome.  The matter would convert into a energetic release.  Producing, energy as it does, and at that point, compression fusion.

Calculate, the amount of force it takes, to fuse two atoms.  And then calculate the amount of force, that a black hole would be doing at it's core.

Now heat is movement, and would that heat, allow the atoms, to move down to the core as the Hyper gravity compresses on them.

Since black hole's, core's,, have been going for billion's and billions of year's, their size and mass, do not grow and build up over time,, otherwise,, they would eat the very galaxies they support.   So comparing the life cycle of how they support the galaxies,, and again,, every physicist agree, that galaxies,, are formed around  the black holes.   So that brings in that they are the gravitational balance,  that set's creation in motion.  (basically, giving us a home to grow)

Below is your statement to my theory.
(A black hole is collapsing matter due to the high intensity of gravity it is not forming a solid rock, or fusion.)

At no point, did I ever say, or state, that it was forming solid rock,, so of course we can toss that comment out.  And the rest, is you saying, that collapsing matter, the same as compressing matter, that it's not possible to compress atoms  to the point of fusion creation.

Again, this is not hydrogen atoms being compressed, this isn't gas,, that's already gone,, it's only solid matter that could be left.  From inside the very star.   Again, gas is gone,, and it's solid,, highly compressed, just as there would be when they become a white dwarf, nuetron star each having a solid core.

Now when trying to theorize, what a black hole, truly is at the core,, and what it does..   That's the fun part, now  I get to try to see how a theorized fusion would be detectable .   So,, now I go to the next step.  Spectrum analysis on the black hole and search for radiation at a level, that we aren't use to seeing.   I have a thought on that to.  Would a comet have a radiation signature, compared to the black hole? Why a comet?   because, to me they would be the particle collectors of the Universe.  Traveling around space, out of our solar system, and back.  Seeing what they gather as they do. Ice is a great cotton swab.

Anyway,, I look forward, to seeing what we find and discover.  And again, I love any feed back.

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##### Re: The Singularity
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« Reply #13 on: 10/03/2014 20:37:48 »
Now, if you take peek,, and add in two factors.  That are not relayed in the explanations.

1.  Hyper Gravity, a star 1.8 billion miles across,  Nuclear Fusion runs out.  (Hyper Gravity) will be in place.
2.  Rotation of solid core , (Hyper Gravity slams in, at the speed of light,, sending the core, just flying)

Hyper Gravity, Plus heat, plus speed= Compression Fusion,

The speed of gravitational waves in the general theory of relativity is equal to the speed of light in vacuum, c.[1] Within the theory of special relativity, the constant c is not exclusively about light; instead it is the highest possible speed for any physical interaction in nature. Formally, c is a conversion factor for changing the unit of time to the unit of space.[2] This makes it the only speed which does not depend either on the motion of an observer or a source of light and/or gravity. Thus, the speed of "light" is also the speed of gravitational waves and any other massless particle. Such particles include the gluon (carrier of the strong force), the photons that light waves consist of, and the theoretical gravitons which make up the associated field particles of gravity (a theory of the graviton requires a theory of quantum gravity, however).

In physics, gravitational waves are ripples in the curvature of spacetime that propagate as a wave, travelling outward from the source. Predicted in 1916 by Albert Einstein to exist[1] on the basis of his theory of general relativity,[2] gravitational waves theoretically transport energy as gravitational radiation. Sources of detectable gravitational waves could possibly include binary star systems composed of white dwarfs, neutron stars, or black holes. The existence of gravitational waves is a possible consequence of the Lorentz invariance of general relativity since it brings the concept of a limiting speed of propagation of the physical interactions with it. Gravitational waves cannot exist in the Newtonian theory of gravitation, in which physical interactions propagate at infinite speed.
Although gravitational radiation has not been directly detected, there is indirect evidence for its existence. For example, the 1993 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded for measurements of the Hulse–Taylor binary system that suggests gravitational waves are more than mathematical anomalies. Various gravitational wave detectors exist. However, they have not yet succeeded in detecting such phenomena. Still, there are many efforts being made currently to study and to see how gravitational waves may be used to further our knowledge of the universe

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##### Re: The Singularity
« Reply #14 on: 11/03/2014 00:30:57 »
So, this comes down to two things when it comes to a Super Massive Star, Canis Majoris (example purposes) at the moment they run out of fuel.

1.  That Hyper gravity (gravity held in forced suspension) travels faster than the speed of light,, and within seconds,, crushes the core,, sets Hyper rotation instantly to the core at the same time it's crushed, and that causes the Quasar's to Erupt out through it's coronal edge.

2.  That gravity, travels down slower than the speed of light,, that would mean, it would take 2.57 hours at exactly the speed of light to crush, cause rotation and then a black hole. No,,, I am sorry,,, that would mean it was traveling at the speed (of) light.  So lets slow it down,, and just say,, cut it in half the speed of light.

Ok,, now cutting the gravitational waves down to half the speed of light, roughty it would take 5 hours and that's only adding two hours for half the time.

So we have a five hour gap?

When you actually stand back and look at how quickly,, which has the Ultimate force.

Hyper Gravity,, yes I know no one has ever heard of it,, but then again,, I just came up with that three days ago.   Gravity,, being stretched, 1.8billion miles around Canis Majoris.  It's giving it all it's got,, and when that one moment of nuclear fusion,,stopping.

There is nothing there to stop Gravity, from slamming down,,,,, With Full Force, in a Hyper State.

I once heard a physicist say,, Just imagine what force it would take,, to explode through a star.  Who knew,, it would come down,, to the force , that actually, not only traveled faster than the speed of light, but slammed into a solid core,, and that amount of force.  I mean that very amount.  Now when you look at the Quaser pulse that is shot out.  You can see not only,,, how it would do it,, but also,, Why.

Of all things though,, the black hole at the center of our galaxy, it makes me wonder,, how massive the older Star's use to be,,after all they had all the Gas back then,, completely full tanks ,, if you know what I mean.  How HUGE,, they would have been.

Black holes,, like ours,, 15,000,000 miles wide, and the monsters,,that have been measured 300,000,000 plus miles wide.

Those Quasar's, still have to be going, I would think.

Energy doesn't die,, it shifts form.  And can do so instantly.  Super  Nova, when they create iron.   And that's a lot of Energy.

Now that's how not gravity,, but Hyper Gravity,, is able to travel faster than the speed of light.  It has to be already in a Hyper State.

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##### Re: The Singularity
« Reply #15 on: 11/03/2014 03:09:16 »

Theoretically speaking,, and I mean this only for thought purposes.  There is a constant harmony in the Universe, there will always be, it's where forces of regeneration continue, every time it does, allowing for what it's created to sustain a chance to exist.  Be it, a comet, a planet, a star to live.  The cosmos, will always be in harmony of what it's doing.

What would be the harmony of Dark matter/Dark energy on the scale,, that I myself believe would be generated, with in the core of the black hole.  I could see the outside core, solid and as it compresses on a Hyper scale, the inner liquid core, due to the gravitational compression.  The heat generated would be mind boggling, when you see it on that scale, super compressed heated matter.  Where the spark of compression fusion happens,, radiating outwards.  As dark matter and dark energy.

But why?  Why would it be needed.   Every physicist that have made the computer model,, and they had to add the something to get the scale and model to work.  It's been theorized to be dark matter.  The other theory is dark matter exist, since the beginning of the big bang.

But, if that's the case,, then the added gravity, would already have existed,, and then we would have been able to offset it in the first place. Since it would be in existence already.    And yes, I know some say it cant be seen or measured,, but if that's true, then how did they measure it to see what it would take to keep the milky way held together?

If the singularity, generates, a fusion, it would be dark matter and dark energy, that would be why it's not detectable as of (yet) .  A black hole , are where galaxies grow,  and give the matter scattered through the cosmos,, a sustainable , more predictable home in our solar system,  just as it does in 600 billion different galaxies, that we currently know of.   Each black hole , allow's for stars to form,  planets to evolve, and the chance for life,, to truly live.  It sparked on our planet, would there be other's.  Well now,, if you were gambling,, 600 billion different galaxies,, each creating it's own dark matter and dark energy, to sustain it's own self,, each touching in the scheme design of the universe, that way. Now that makes a harmony to the Universe.

No special effect's, just pure logic, on the harmony of a already existing 13.8 billion year old home of ours,, we call our universe.

Odds of (us) coming into life on earth,, in the universe.

I love little quick easy mind games, (easy ones are all I know, never was good at math).

600 billion galaxies,, and lets just say each galaxy has only,, like ours,, just to scale it a bit,, some have a lot more,, some fewr, ,,so with our 200 billion stars,  that are in our milky way.  120,000,000,000,000 to 1

Now I stopped there, because, that would be only saying,, each star would have only one planet rotating around it.

If you truly, think of it on the scale it would ,, and I mean, that it would truly be.  It would probably be more like 120,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 1.

But would it be,, that it's that, that we are not alone in our cosmos.

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« Reply #16 on: 11/03/2014 03:31:50 »

Of every thing I know and believe, the one thing I know above all else, when our star, our sun, starts to fade out, our planet earth, will no longer be habitable.  We have roughly between 4 to 5 billion years, to exist elsewhere, and the only way that will happen is with working in our own harmony as the Universe does.  While I won't be here when it get's a little warm, I can't imagine the one's that will be ,, want a time window of about a couple years.   So, what?, Maybe 2 billion years?

If you have ever studied the basic societies, the only one's that truly co-exist.  Would be the ant's.  But, I hate to use them, because, well, they will kill any other ant, that comes to close to it's colony. LOL .

Anyway,, science, learning all we can of our universe, for a better understanding of all humanity.  I honestly do, and never let your mind close or get out of harmony.

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« Reply #18 on: 11/03/2014 13:11:02 »
lol RD,, I did say,, lets cut it down to 2 billion years,, sheesh ,, can't even give me a few 300,000 years.

I agree though,, I really do  1.7  is about right.

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« Reply #19 on: 11/03/2014 22:11:42 »
Gravitational waves.  Gravitational waves,, held in a Hyper state.

How would you calculate the amount of force,, that it would deliver, to a solid round object, already in rotation?  Could you?  Could you calculate the amount of compression, if gravity, is applied faster than the speed of light?  Can you calculate the amount of heat that would be at the core.  But most of all.

Can you calculate, what a solid core,, with Hyper Rotation, and Hyper Density?  Can you determine from that alone.  If that produces the equivalent, of the Gravitational pull that  a black hole would have.  And if you calculate that, you have just calculated enough (raw power) to fuse solid matter for compression fusion.

Then you have done the math,, and see,, that yes,, gravitational waves,, not only travel at the speed of light, but they can also,, travel faster (than) the speed of light.

I just love this pic,, gravity in constant motion :)
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2012/08/Wavy.gif

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« Reply #20 on: 11/03/2014 23:02:02 »
Okay I'm sorry but I must disagree to some extent. unknown compression load, gravity rotation. Everything else, but on the fusing part I have to take a disagreement with you can fuse all the way up to iron, then you must apply energy to fuse anything past that unfortunately you can't get past the size of the nucleolus of current calculations. They are big, they decompose once you get past a certain size. What you would actually end up with is a quark soup, and you would actually be shocked if you figured out how much compression. It would take to cause to quarks of the same sign to touch together,or two electrons. As far as the dark matter and dark energy are concerned, I'd have to disagree with you black hole is a gravity field. It is pulling matter in not releasing matter, and anything that falls into a black hole stays there.
Okay, here alternative theory and dark matter in the beginning of time will matter was created. There are 6 types of quarks they will all decompose to become of quarks and down quarks. They also have the ability to combine and form something if some of them combined, and became dark matter. It would fit the state of matter 14.7 billion years ago dark matter was 68% of the galaxy dark energy is not even mentioned. In order for your theory to be correct. There should be no dark matter or dark matter and energy because there was no black holes at this time. So I say these quarks combined and formed dark matter which has mass and gravity, over time, this dark matter has deteriorated and become dark energy, and now the dark matter is about 25% of the universe. Just a thought. Give me yours.

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« Reply #21 on: 12/03/2014 00:26:03 »
Okay I'm sorry but I must disagree to some extent. unknown compression load, gravity rotation. Everything else, but on the fusing part I have to take a disagreement with you can fuse all the way up to iron, then you must apply energy to fuse anything past that unfortunately you can't get past the size of the nucleolus of current calculations. They are big, they decompose once you get past a certain size. What you would actually end up with is a quark soup, and you would actually be shocked if you figured out how much compression. It would take to cause to quarks of the same sign to touch together,or two electrons. As far as the dark matter and dark energy are concerned, I'd have to disagree with you black hole is a gravity field. It is pulling matter in not releasing matter, and anything that falls into a black hole stays there.
Okay, here alternative theory and dark matter in the beginning of time will matter was created. There are 6 types of quarks they will all decompose to become of quarks and down quarks. They also have the ability to combine and form something if some of them combined, and became dark matter. It would fit the state of matter 14.7 billion years ago dark matter was 68% of the galaxy dark energy is not even mentioned. In order for your theory to be correct. There should be no dark matter or dark matter and energy because there was no black holes at this time. So I say these quarks combined and formed dark matter which has mass and gravity, over time, this dark matter has deteriorated and become dark energy, and now the dark matter is about 25% of the universe. Just a thought. Give me yours.

Thank you for disagreeing Alan, it means we can have a discussion on it.

**Okay I'm sorry but I must disagree to some extent. unknown compression load, gravity rotation. Everything else, but on the fusing part I have to take a disagreement with you can fuse all the way up to iron, then you must apply energy to fuse anything past that unfortunately you can't get past the size of the nucleolus of current calculations.**

Alan, I totally agree it's a uknown compression load,, your right,,, it is.. But it still is gravitational waves,, enclosing on matter in excess of the speed of light.  You know as well as I do,, Gravity held out in a state of hyper gravity will slam back down.  How much force that would be?  See I am no mathmagician ,, and cannot calculate it.   But basics I can,, Upon a star's fuel running out Gravity encloses, the key is how fast.

1.  Fuel runs out on a Super Massive Star,, and for basic calculations,, 100,000,000 wide.  the next thing every scientist will tell you, is the star will explode out of both sides of its corona.  That means the gravitational force, that was held on the outter corona, had slammed in, nothing else to keep it from enclosing.  And BOOM,, Quasar Ejects out.

That would mean that the gravitational waves,, have already crushed the star down to 1/10 it's size on the solid core material left.   10,000,000 miles wide.   It would have had to travel 90,000,000 miles,, and at 93,000,000 miles from earth,,our own star ,, takes 8 minutes to get here.

Either that.. Or?

2.  When a star runs out of fuel,, it just sits there doing nothing,,waiting on the forces,, to move down, compress and enclose.

But they don't react that way.

So,, that would lean more to the plausible, that its the Gravitational waves,, compressing down in excess of the speed of light.

The compression generated, by gravitational waves,, compressing at faster than the speed of light,, is the multiplier that (gives the force, along with heat from compressing) and hyper rotation, that's not factored in.

When atoms are fused together by adding heat, such as hydrogen,, Nuclear Fusion.  Just from two atoms, it's always amazed me. Causing two atoms to burst.  Just intense.

On the level of compression fusion.  And with enough force,, you can push two atoms together to the point of disruption.  And Hyper Compression, with Hyper Heat and Hyper Rotation of a object.   And the reason I am referring to Hyper is the fact, its very induction would be from, the force enclosing faster than the speed of light.

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Dark Matter in theory , has to exist,, in order to give supporting help to gravity, in order for a galaxy to grow.  Physicist, have all agreed, and yes,, say it's been here since the beginning of time.   Same as you do.  But see,, it's that very statement , that makes me stand back,, and look again.

Gravity,, spread throughout the universe,, the giver, and taker of life.  It, starts and end's,, every thing.

Take a star,, a massive star,, and it goes,, BOOM,, and then tosses out the Old Black hole.    Now,, if this is in a place in the Universe,, and it starts pulling in the star's to form a galaxy.   And then,, there is no dark matter there,, that would mean, the chances for galaxies,, to grow,, would be so much less.   And that is against the harmony of the Universe.

yet in the Billions, and Billions, and Billions of examples,, we have,, with the galaxies, where the black hole keeps them spinning and moving,, would show, that the likely hood of the Dark Matter, the invisible space glue,, would more than likely,, be coming from the center of the galaxy at which they are formed.   And the only thing there,, is a black hole.   And while we both agree,, Gravity rocks,, we also know,, dark matter has to be present to support the galaxy structure.

Hence me having a hard time,, actually conceiving it was everywhere at once.

And when it comes down to whats,, not there,, what you cant see.   If it's currently still impossible to see or measure.   It's also possible, that the one's who came up with that (theory) also believe, that the Black hole is a gateway to another universe, and alter dimension.

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« Reply #22 on: 12/03/2014 01:56:13 »
Sorry Alan,

I didn't feel I had answered your question properly after I read what I wrote.   I am going to try to explain it a little bit better.

The Universe has a harmony to it,, and that harmony gives creation to all things created.  Gravity.

Every thing is formed, due to gravity.   That's its harmony, simple as that.  While a star is Awe inspiring, in the sheer amount of energy it generates, its due to gravity.   Comet's hurling through space,, at speeds of 20,000 mph and up, Shoemaker Levy 9 ,,, hit with such force,, still showing on Jupiter.  (sorry if I spelled that comet wrong).

Each star to each star , with their planets and the moons,, weaving in around the black holes,,the Most massive stars.

And back at the very beginning when it was all so fresh,, as the Universe exanded,,, look up at the 600 billion different galaxies,, and see that they weren't there yet.  Only starting to just grow the first stars,, that would then spawn the first planets and moons.   Weaving as it is now,, just like the Dinosaur's on the scale to us.  Those stars,, with all the gases had to be Monsterous, I mean compared to what we have today,,after all by now we are on what,,third generation stars?

Every day,, black holes are being born,, the quasar pulses are being seen daily, how cool is that.   Would the first black hole that was created,, as it pulled in the cosmic cocktail,, to start the galaxies,, that were to come.  Those,, would have started their own dark matter. To be able to support,its own body,, galaxy legs so to speak.  All the stellar bodies, that would be, at that time.

If upon the big bang, as the Universe was expanding,, it started rotating and burning with such speed,, faster than the speed of light.  ZOOOOOM.  Just super heating everything,,, and it was only on the cool down,, that gravity, was able to take effect and then start pulling on matter.  Again every scientist will tell you,,yes,,it had to cool down.  So dark matter,, would have had to be super hot and cooled, yet unseen, unmeasurable.  (serving no purpose) .  In the balance of universal harmony and gravity.

Would it be possible to measure the amount , of a unseen, undetectable force?  Or can it strictly be theorized?

Or, is it possible, that in the middle of a blackhole, as gravity, does as it has done since the beginning of time,, and that is compress , but with a force,, that is 1 trillion times (not really sure the numbers) the first calculated forces,,due to the fact,, that Hyper Gravity slams in faster than the speed of light,,inducing aHyper rotation,, and continually pulls matter down to the superheated molten core, and due to such heat and compression ,,cause fusion to occur.

And that if a galaxy has to have (dark matter) that the  black hole,, since a fusion,energy release,, would be happening inside,produce it's own dark matter. there by being self sustaining, as the Universe,, intended.  Keeping the harmony of creation going.

Alan, I suggest we find us someone, who could actually calculate that type of force on what a Hyper Gravity would cause on a solid core already spinning as well as compression ratio's. And of course we would have to have them calculate the heat that it would cause, so that we would know if the core is liquid or not.

(because if the calculations are right, the of course, so would the fusion) = correct on the entire theory and although dark matter and dark energy, are undetectable , if the rest of the puzzle pieces fit.  That one would have to as well.
and if 1+1=3 then wrong.

What do you think?  Do you know any good mathamagicians?  lol  cause I wouldn't have a snow balls chance in h_ll of doing it .  think we can get a volunteer?
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« Reply #23 on: 12/03/2014 13:20:59 »

Good Morning Alan, I wanted to continue with this.  You said.

**Okay I'm sorry but I must disagree to some extent. unknown compression load, gravity rotation. Everything else, but on the fusing part I have to take a disagreement with you can fuse all the way up to iron, then you must apply energy to fuse anything past that unfortunately you can't get past the size of the nucleolus of current calculations. They are big, they decompose once you get past a certain size. What you would actually end up with is a quark soup, and you would actually be shocked if you figured out how much compression.**
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I believe this will give you,, a glimpse of what type of (Power-Force) that is being done and on what scale.
When it comes to understanding the (Raw) force, of a Super Massive Star, that goes into a Hyper Nova State.  You first have to see what is really happening inside of them.

When Hyper Gravity, comes into play as the Star runs out of fusion, It (slams) and I mean (SLAMS) down with enough raw force, so that as it compresses,, the outer corona burst, with a quasar pulse.  So if a star is 100 million miles wide,, or if it's a billion miles wide.  Everything, that isn't solid matter, and pulled down into the initial compression wave,, that would be crushing down.

This forces matter outwards,, and ejecting it at Speeds that are just unreal.   But the one thing that gravity always does,, is stay constant.  Meaning,, there is no hesitations,, no pauses, no,, waiting.  It happens instantly.

When gravity,, exceeds the speed of light, and compresses inward, while at the same time,, forcing, Energy to Erupt, from the Corona's edge.  The very *instant* this happen's,, if you started hitting the pause button to watch it.

You would have to start measuring the effect's of what's happening in plank-time in order to capture what true effect's inside would be.   If you and I hold onto a metal pole,, if I start pulling on one end,, you instantly feel it on the other.  This force would be the same inside of the Star, just plank-time prior to the quasar pulse being ejected.

The energy, that is inside of the star,, Is what is Erupting,, being blown out ,, by Gravitational waves,, exceeding the speed of light,, and sending the pulse,, through the cosmos.

Gravity, displacing energy at the speed of light.   That is your corona burst,, and why,, and how,, the star stays in a stationary position, upon the instance of a Black Hole forming.  And if enough raw power allows for energy displacement such as it does with the corona's burst.

Get this,, and here it comes,,  (Tosses the baseball from the Pitchers mound,, as hear's the umpire yell STRIKE).

This mean's,, that even in the presence,, of the Ultimate moment of all force,, that we know and understand in the Universe,, that energy,, can,, escape in the presence of Hyper Gravity,, and this would mean,, that the only thing that can escape a black hole,, would be,, energy.   And would leave more of a implication,, that it would be possible with proper spectrum analysis,, of detecting,, how, or what type of radiation (energy) would be emitted, from a black hole where compression fusion is occurring :) .

(I love a good early discussion,, bring coffee)

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« Reply #24 on: 12/03/2014 17:52:11 »
When a neutron decays into a proton, electron, and neutrino, it also releases energy, 780,000 eV, as the sum of the kinetic energy of the 3 particles. It is unreasonably difficult to get 3 separate particles to collide simultaneously, so the exact reverse of this never happens to a significant extent. It is particularly difficult to get the ghost-like neutrino to react on command with an electron and proton . Neutrinos are the particles that sail all the way through the earth, almost never bumping anything.

However, it is not so difficult for a balanced neutrino / anti-neutrino pair to be accidentally made out of pure excess energy, from the collision between an electron and a proton. Then you have the situation of the electron and proton and neutrino in the same place, merging to form a neutron, and an anti-neutrino flying away free carrying any excess energy (beyond the 780 keV that was needed to make up the neutron). I think this is one of the processes which together make sun-sized masses of neutrons when a neutron star is formed in a supernova explosion. Actually, in that situation the electron and proton are steadily squeezed together by pressure of others around them. Increasing pressure and temperature can smoothly change the energy of repeated collisions until the best energy is found, and the conversion becomes quite rapid and energy-efficient.

If the excess energy of collision is over 1,000 keV, other random particles might be made from the energy too. It only takes 1,020 keV to make an electron-positron pair, for example. I'm not sure what it takes to start emitting excess energy as gamma-ray photons.

:)  I love working in the realm of Physic's.  always growing and evolving within ourselves.

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