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If Gravity is the result of the warping/bending of time, what is responsible for creating magnetic force(s) ?

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« Reply #1 on: 23/08/2006 07:58:41 »
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If Gravity is the result of the warping/bending of time, what is responsible for creating magnetic force(s) ?

Gravity is not the warping of time but of space-time. According to general relativity, mass is seen as space-time curvature, and this produces gravity.

Magnetic force is only a relativistic effect of electric force, infact we talk about "electromagnetic force", which are produced from electric charges (still electric charges only produce electric forces).

According to some theories, for example string theory if I remember correctly, as mass is seen as a space-time curvature, electric charge is seen as the curvature of another dimension. "Simple", isnt'it?!
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Re: Magnetic Force(s)
« Reply #2 on: 23/08/2006 17:18:17 »
To add to that.  The latest theorists see particles with mass as being formed out of "braids" in spacetime.  Charged particle have twists in these braids it is quite logical that everyhing originates out of spacetime because in perticle physics because particles can be changed into each other given the right conditions so they must eventually all be made out of the same sort of stuff.

See the  12 August issue of the new scientist page 28 for a more detailed explanayion or
www.arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0603022 for the original paper by a group if highly respected theoretical physicists.

The theory is an offshoot of "loop quantum gravity"  one of the best contenders for the theory of everything.

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Re: Magnetic Force(s)
« Reply #3 on: 24/08/2006 02:29:48 »
quote:
Originally posted by unstman

If Gravity is the result of the warping/bending of time, what is responsible for creating magnetic force(s) ?

David



Is the answer "magnets"? (Do I win a prize?)


Re: the above link - one of the authors is Lee Smolin - he wrote a book called "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" a few years ago - I'd strongly recommend it as a really good layperson's introduction to developments over the last few decades in the search for a unification of quantum theory with general relativity.
(Well, when I say "layperson", the book assumes that you at least know something about modern physics - e.g. that you've already got the sort of understanding that comes from reading "A Brief History of Time" or "In Search of Schrodinger's Cat", say.)
 

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« Reply #4 on: 23/08/2006 07:58:41 »
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If Gravity is the result of the warping/bending of time, what is responsible for creating magnetic force(s) ?

Gravity is not the warping of time but of space-time. According to general relativity, mass is seen as space-time curvature, and this produces gravity.

Magnetic force is only a relativistic effect of electric force, infact we talk about "electromagnetic force", which are produced from electric charges (still electric charges only produce electric forces).

According to some theories, for example string theory if I remember correctly, as mass is seen as a space-time curvature, electric charge is seen as the curvature of another dimension. "Simple", isnt'it?!
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Re: Magnetic Force(s)
« Reply #5 on: 23/08/2006 17:18:17 »
To add to that.  The latest theorists see particles with mass as being formed out of "braids" in spacetime.  Charged particle have twists in these braids it is quite logical that everyhing originates out of spacetime because in perticle physics because particles can be changed into each other given the right conditions so they must eventually all be made out of the same sort of stuff.

See the  12 August issue of the new scientist page 28 for a more detailed explanayion or
www.arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0603022 for the original paper by a group if highly respected theoretical physicists.

The theory is an offshoot of "loop quantum gravity"  one of the best contenders for the theory of everything.

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Re: Magnetic Force(s)
« Reply #6 on: 23/08/2006 07:58:41 »
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If Gravity is the result of the warping/bending of time, what is responsible for creating magnetic force(s) ?

Gravity is not the warping of time but of space-time. According to general relativity, mass is seen as space-time curvature, and this produces gravity.

Magnetic force is only a relativistic effect of electric force, infact we talk about "electromagnetic force", which are produced from electric charges (still electric charges only produce electric forces).

According to some theories, for example string theory if I remember correctly, as mass is seen as a space-time curvature, electric charge is seen as the curvature of another dimension. "Simple", isnt'it?!
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Re: Magnetic Force(s)
« Reply #7 on: 23/08/2006 17:18:17 »
To add to that.  The latest theorists see particles with mass as being formed out of "braids" in spacetime.  Charged particle have twists in these braids it is quite logical that everyhing originates out of spacetime because in perticle physics because particles can be changed into each other given the right conditions so they must eventually all be made out of the same sort of stuff.

See the  12 August issue of the new scientist page 28 for a more detailed explanayion or
www.arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0603022 for the original paper by a group if highly respected theoretical physicists.

The theory is an offshoot of "loop quantum gravity"  one of the best contenders for the theory of everything.

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Re: Magnetic Force(s)
« Reply #8 on: 24/08/2006 02:29:48 »
quote:
Originally posted by unstman

If Gravity is the result of the warping/bending of time, what is responsible for creating magnetic force(s) ?

David



Is the answer "magnets"? (Do I win a prize?)


Re: the above link - one of the authors is Lee Smolin - he wrote a book called "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" a few years ago - I'd strongly recommend it as a really good layperson's introduction to developments over the last few decades in the search for a unification of quantum theory with general relativity.
(Well, when I say "layperson", the book assumes that you at least know something about modern physics - e.g. that you've already got the sort of understanding that comes from reading "A Brief History of Time" or "In Search of Schrodinger's Cat", say.)
 

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« Reply #9 on: 23/08/2006 07:58:41 »
quote:
Originally posted by unstman

If Gravity is the result of the warping/bending of time, what is responsible for creating magnetic force(s) ?

Gravity is not the warping of time but of space-time. According to general relativity, mass is seen as space-time curvature, and this produces gravity.

Magnetic force is only a relativistic effect of electric force, infact we talk about "electromagnetic force", which are produced from electric charges (still electric charges only produce electric forces).

According to some theories, for example string theory if I remember correctly, as mass is seen as a space-time curvature, electric charge is seen as the curvature of another dimension. "Simple", isnt'it?!
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Re: Magnetic Force(s)
« Reply #10 on: 23/08/2006 17:18:17 »
To add to that.  The latest theorists see particles with mass as being formed out of "braids" in spacetime.  Charged particle have twists in these braids it is quite logical that everyhing originates out of spacetime because in perticle physics because particles can be changed into each other given the right conditions so they must eventually all be made out of the same sort of stuff.

See the  12 August issue of the new scientist page 28 for a more detailed explanayion or
www.arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0603022 for the original paper by a group if highly respected theoretical physicists.

The theory is an offshoot of "loop quantum gravity"  one of the best contenders for the theory of everything.

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Re: Magnetic Force(s)
« Reply #11 on: 24/08/2006 02:29:48 »
quote:
Originally posted by unstman

If Gravity is the result of the warping/bending of time, what is responsible for creating magnetic force(s) ?

David



Is the answer "magnets"? (Do I win a prize?)


Re: the above link - one of the authors is Lee Smolin - he wrote a book called "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" a few years ago - I'd strongly recommend it as a really good layperson's introduction to developments over the last few decades in the search for a unification of quantum theory with general relativity.
(Well, when I say "layperson", the book assumes that you at least know something about modern physics - e.g. that you've already got the sort of understanding that comes from reading "A Brief History of Time" or "In Search of Schrodinger's Cat", say.)
 

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