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Offline jccc

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Re: How is diamond formed by carbon atoms?
« Reply #25 on: 23/08/2014 21:58:17 »
100 years is nothing. Theory/reality can be wrong for thousands years. For example, we use fire to smoke tobacco till this invented
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Are we even sure that there are 6 electrons in a carbon atom? 

 

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Re: How is diamond formed by carbon atoms?
« Reply #26 on: 23/08/2014 22:58:26 »
Yes. If there were more or less, it wouldn't be carbon. And don't confuse theory with reality: science is not religion.
 

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Re: How is diamond formed by carbon atoms?
« Reply #27 on: 24/08/2014 01:41:34 »
Yes. If there were more or less, it wouldn't be carbon. And don't confuse theory with reality: science is not religion.

How do you count 6 electrons? What is reality? QM?
 

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Re: How is diamond formed by carbon atoms?
« Reply #28 on: 24/08/2014 03:38:39 »
You can ionize carbon atoms with radiation. Up to six electrons can be removed, leaving a nucleus with a charge of +6. That is how we can experimentally verify there are six electrons.

It is also a definitional thing. It is carbon because there are six protons in the nucleus. To be a neutral carbon atom, it must have six electrons.
 

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Re: How is diamond formed by carbon atoms?
« Reply #29 on: 24/08/2014 04:23:53 »
You can ionize carbon atoms with radiation. Up to six electrons can be removed, leaving a nucleus with a charge of +6. That is how we can experimentally verify there are six electrons.

It is also a definitional thing. It is carbon because there are six protons in the nucleus. To be a neutral carbon atom, it must have six electrons.

If that's true, please show me the test/source?
 

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Re: How is diamond formed by carbon atoms?
« Reply #30 on: 24/08/2014 12:57:36 »
This is the first paper I found without a pay wall that experimentally demonstrated sequential ionization of carbon atoms: http://www.iaea.org/inis/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/07/276/7276215.pdf

Most of it is in Russian, but even if you can't understand Russian there is an English summary on the 4th page, and most of the tables and figures are understandable.
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Re: How is diamond formed by carbon atoms?
« Reply #31 on: 24/08/2014 18:21:30 »
Yes. If there were more or less, it wouldn't be carbon. And don't confuse theory with reality: science is not religion.

How do you count 6 electrons? What is reality? QM?

Reality is what happens. Quantum mechanics is how we understand and predict what happens. Read up on Moseley and the determination of atomic number.
 

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