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Aether Displacement
« on: 25/10/2014 18:50:46 »
Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.

The Milky Way's halo is not a clump of stuff anchored to the Milky Way. The Milky Way is moving through and displacing the aether.

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

The Milky Way's halo is the deformation of spacetime.

What is referred to geometrically as the deformation of spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

Q. Why is the particle always detected traveling through a single slit in a double slit experiment?
A. The particle always travels through a single slit. It is the associated wave in the aether which passes through both.

What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.

Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality; both are waves in the aether.

Aether displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.


 

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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #1 on: 26/10/2014 02:37:12 »
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Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.

The Milky Way's halo is not a clump of stuff anchored to the Milky Way. The Milky Way is moving through and displacing the aether.

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

The Milky Way's halo is the deformation of spacetime.

What is referred to geometrically as the deformation of spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the aether.
On what basis are you making such assertions? There is absolutely no basis to assume that anything like an aether exists. So what are you basing its existence on?

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A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.
Do you have anything to justify such a claim? What has ever been observed for you to make such a claim?

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In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both.
According to quantum mechanics it's impossible to say which slit a particle travels through unless you either measure which one it came through or block the other one off. However, when you measure which one it goes through the interference pattern disappears. If you block one of them then it's no longer a double slit experiment.

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Q. Why is the particle always detected traveling through a single slit in a double slit experiment?
That's wrong. The only time a particle is detected traveling through a slit is when an experiment is constructed to detect it and when that's done the experiment no longer behaves like a double slit experiment and the interference pattern disappears.
 

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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #2 on: 26/10/2014 03:18:19 »
On what basis are you making such assertions? There is absolutely no basis to assume that anything like an aether exists. So what are you basing its existence on?

"The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University

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That's wrong. The only time a particle is detected traveling through a slit is when an experiment is constructed to detect it and when that's done the experiment no longer behaves like a double slit experiment and the interference pattern disappears.

Detecting the particle strongly causes the particle to lose its cohesion with its associated wave, the particle continues on the trajectory it was traveling and it does not form an interference pattern.

See the 2:40 mark of the following video for a macro version of a double slit experiment where the associated wave guides the particle.

Yves Couder . Explains Wave/Particle Duality via Silicon Droplets [Through the Wormhole]

There is evidence of the aether every time a double slit experiment is performed; it's what waves.
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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #3 on: 22/12/2014 03:59:59 »
'EPR program: a local interpretation of QM'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1412.5612

"Wave particle duality is described as the compound system of point particle plus accompanying wave (in the æther)."
 

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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #4 on: 22/12/2014 08:55:19 »
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Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.

The Milky Way's halo is not a clump of stuff anchored to the Milky Way. The Milky Way is moving through and displacing the aether.

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

The Milky Way's halo is the deformation of spacetime.

What is referred to geometrically as the deformation of spacetime physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

...

What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double slit experiment; the aether.

Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's wave of wave-particle duality; both are waves in the aether.

Aether displaced by matter relates general relativity and quantum mechanics.
What evidence do you have to support any and all of your assertions? It's of no use to anybody to merely go to a forum and make claims like this. Anybody can do that. The only ones of interest to science are those which you can demonstrate and so far all you've done has been to make unsupported claims and those are of no interest to anybody.
 

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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #5 on: 22/12/2014 14:01:01 »
What evidence do you have to support any and all of your assertions? It's of no use to anybody to merely go to a forum and make claims like this. Anybody can do that. The only ones of interest to science are those which you can demonstrate and so far all you've done has been to make unsupported claims and those are of no interest to anybody.

Every time a double slit experiment is performed the particle is always detected traveling through a single slit. This is evidence the particle always travels through a single slit. When the particle is not detected it forms an interference pattern. This is evidence of the associated wave in the aether.
 

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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #6 on: 02/01/2015 18:03:06 »
Liquidspacetime ,

You may enjoy this ,  May 4, 2011 Nasa along with Stanford University, sent a GPB probe out and they actually mapped the spacetime (distortion) that your looking for, which also verified one of Einstein's prediction's in regard to what your looking for. 

https://einstein.stanford.edu/highlights/status1.html
 

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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #7 on: 03/01/2015 22:16:52 »
Liquidspacetime ,

You may enjoy this ,  May 4, 2011 Nasa along with Stanford University, sent a GPB probe out and they actually mapped the spacetime (distortion) that your looking for, which also verified one of Einstein's prediction's in regard to what your looking for. 

https://einstein.stanford.edu/highlights/status1.html

Yup. Watch the following video starting at 0:45. What is referred to as a twist in spacetime is the state of displacement of the aether. What is referred to as frame-dragging is the state of displacement of the aether.


'NASA's Gravity Probe B Confirms Two Einstein Space-Time Theories'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/gpb/gpb_results.html

""Imagine the Earth as if it were immersed in honey. As the planet rotates, the honey around it would swirl, and it's the same with space and time," said Francis Everitt, GP-B principal investigator at Stanford University."

Honey has mass and so does the aether. The swirl is the state of displacement of the aether.
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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #8 on: 04/01/2015 02:25:56 »
What is described is the profile of the gravitational field of a rotating body. This is the type of vortex described by Einstein and nothing to do with an ether. It is like a spiral generated over time via the rotation of the source. Except the spiral formed does not spin it is the distribution of the field and the vectors that describe its directionality that show this. The curves will look like they intersect, criss-crossing each other. This is spacetime curvature.
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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #9 on: 04/01/2015 14:02:41 »
What is described is the profile of the gravitational field of a rotating body. This is the type of vortex described by Einstein and nothing to do with an ether. It is like a spiral generated over time via the rotation of the source. Except the spiral formed does not spin it is the distribution of the field and the vectors that describe its directionality that show this. The curves will look like they intersect, criss-crossing each other. This is spacetime curvature.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the course of time; or else-with the help of small floats, for instance - we can observe how the position of the separate particles of water alters in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for tracking the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental impossibility in physics - if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium."

if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the aether as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that aether consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium having mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable" - Albert Einstein

The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused by pressure (or vorticity).

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old Cosmological Constant Problem'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G ̈del metric'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.5654

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53−αg,6a2 so, it is positive if αg < 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval αg < 15 corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new form of matter. This is the real substance"

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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #10 on: 04/01/2015 14:30:10 »
What is incorrect in mainstream physics is the notion dark matter is anchored to matter.

Dark matter is now understood to fill what would otherwise be considered to be empty space.

'Cosmologists at Penn Weigh Cosmic Filaments and Voids'
http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/cosmologists-penn-weigh-cosmic-filaments-and-voids

"Dark matter ... permeate all the way to the center of the voids."

'Physicists find dark matter: It's everywhere'
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/46387769/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/physicists-find-dark-matter-its-everywhere/#.VKlLjt_08WM

"their model shows that dark matter extends from each galaxy far into intergalactic space, overlapping with the dark matter from adjacent galaxies to form a pervasive web that envelops the whole universe."

'No Empty Space in the Universe --Dark Matter Discovered to Fill Intergalactic Space'
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/02/no-empty-space-in-the-universe-dark-matter-discovered-to-fill-intergalactic-space-.html

"A long standing mystery on where the missing dark matter is has been solved by the research. There is no empty space in the universe. The intergalactic space is filled with dark matter."

Dark matter which fills 'empty' space is otherwise known as the aether. Aether has mass, physically occupies three dimensional space and is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it. Including 'particles' as large as galaxies and galaxy clusters.

'The Milky Way's dark matter halo appears to be lopsided'
http://arxiv.org/abs/0903.3802

"the emerging picture of the dark matter halo of the Milky Way is dominantly lopsided in nature."

The Milky Way's halo is not a clump of dark matter traveling along with the Milky Way. The Milky Way's halo is lopsided due to the matter in the Milky Way moving through and displacing the aether.

'Offset between dark matter and ordinary matter: evidence from a sample of 38 lensing clusters of galaxies'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1004.1475

"Our data strongly support the idea that the gravitational potential in clusters is mainly due to a non-baryonic fluid, and any exotic field in gravitational theory must resemble that of CDM fields very closely."

The offset is due to the galaxy clusters moving through and displacing the aether. The analogy is a submarine moving through the water. You are under water. Two miles away from you are many lights. Moving between you and the lights one mile away is a submarine. The submarine displaces the water. The state of displacement of the water causes the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water to be offset from the center of the submarine itself. The offset between the center of the lensing of the light propagating through the water displaced by the submarine and the center of the submarine itself is going to remain the same as the submarine moves through the water. The submarine continually displaces different regions of the water. The state of the water connected to and neighboring the submarine remains the same as the submarine moves through the water even though it is not the same water the submarine continually displaces. This is what is occurring as the galaxy clusters move through and displace the aether.

'Galactic Pile-Up May Point to Mysterious New Dark Force in the Universe'
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/01/musket-ball-dark-force/

"The reason this is strange is that dark matter is thought to barely interact with itself. The dark matter should just coast through itself and move at the same speed as the hardly interacting galaxies. Instead, it looks like the dark matter is crashing into something — perhaps itself – and slowing down faster than the galaxies are. But this would require the dark matter to be able to interact with itself in a completely new an unexpected way, a “dark force” that affects only dark matter."

It's not a new force. It's the aether displaced by each of the galaxy clusters interacting analogous to the bow waves of two boats which pass by each other.
 

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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #11 on: 28/01/2015 17:13:12 »
'Physical vacuum is a special superfluid medium'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1501.06763

"  Another interpretation was proposed by Louis de Broglie [18], which permits to explain such an experiment. In de Broglie’s wave mechanics and the double solution theory there are two waves. There is the wave function that is a mathematical construct. It does not physically exist and is used to determine the probabilistic results of experiments. There is also a physical wave guiding the particle from its creation to detection. As the particle moves from a source to a detector, the particle perturbs the wave field and gets a reverse effect from it. As a result, the physical wave guides the particle along some optimal trajectory, Bohmian trajectory [9, 10], up to its detection.
  A question arises, what is the de Broglie physical wave? Recently, Couder and Fort [15] has executed the experiment with the classical oil droplets bouncing on the oil surface. A remarkable observation is that an ensemble of the droplets passing through the barrier having two gates shows the interference fringes typical for the two slit experiment. Their explanation is that the droplet while moving on the surface induces on this surface the weak Faraday waves. The latter provide the guidance conditions for the droplets. In this perspective, we can draw conclusion that the de Broglie physical wave can be represented by perturbations of the ether when the particle moves through it."
 

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« Reply #12 on: 31/01/2015 23:16:52 »
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"The word 'ether' has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University
What this guy wrote is did a disservice to the physics community because many people trying to learn physics, such as yourself, will inevitably get the wrong idea and think that an ether really does exist and there's absolutely no reason to believe that such an ether exists.
 

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« Reply #13 on: 01/02/2015 01:25:10 »
What this guy wrote is did a disservice to the physics community because many people trying to learn physics, such as yourself, will inevitably get the wrong idea and think that an ether really does exist and there's absolutely no reason to believe that such an ether exists.

In the following two articles it is the aether that waves in a double slit experiment.

'From the Newton's laws to motions of the fluid and superfluid vacuum: vortex tubes, rings, and others'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.3900

"This medium, called also the aether, has mass and is populated by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it" ...

... and displace it.

'EPR program: a local interpretation of QM'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1412.5612

"Wave particle duality is described as the compound system of point particle plus accompanying wave (in the æther)."
 

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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #14 on: 01/02/2015 08:34:31 »
What this guy wrote is did a disservice to the physics community because many people trying to learn physics, such as yourself, will inevitably get the wrong idea and think that an ether really does exist and there's absolutely no reason to believe that such an ether exists.

In the following two articles it is the aether that waves in a double slit experiment.

'From the Newton's laws to motions of the fluid and superfluid vacuum: vortex tubes, rings, and others'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.3900

"This medium, called also the aether, has mass and is populated by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it" ...

... and displace it.

'EPR program: a local interpretation of QM'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1412.5612

"Wave particle duality is described as the compound system of point particle plus accompanying wave (in the æther)."
Don't believe everything that you read. There's a ton of nonsense on the internet. Even in physics textbooks. This is especially true if you merely take quotes out of context and/or don't follow them through. For example; in the first article all it does it state that this "thing" (whether it exists or not) has the name aether and refers to another article which describes it in a manner which has been disproven by experiments.

This is my last post in this thread. I don't like chasing down and reading papers which haven't been published. A great deal of the time they're garbage. Many times that's why they're not published. Why do you think those papers you quoted haven't been published?
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« Reply #15 on: 01/02/2015 09:19:01 »
This is my last post in this thread. I don't like chasing down and reading papers which haven't been published. A great deal of the time they're garbage. Many times that's why they're not published. Why do you think those papers you quoted haven't been published?

The following is an updated/revised version of the first article.

'Physical vacuum is a special superfluid medium'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1501.06763

"  Another interpretation was proposed by Louis de Broglie [18], which permits to explain such an experiment. In de Broglie’s wave mechanics and the double solution theory there are two waves. There is the wave function that is a mathematical construct. It does not physically exist and is used to determine the probabilistic results of experiments. There is also a physical wave guiding the particle from its creation to detection. As the particle moves from a source to a detector, the particle perturbs the wave field and gets a reverse effect from it. As a result, the physical wave guides the particle along some optimal trajectory, Bohmian trajectory [9, 10], up to its detection.
  A question arises, what is the de Broglie physical wave? Recently, Couder and Fort [15] has executed the experiment with the classical oil droplets bouncing on the oil surface. A remarkable observation is that an ensemble of the droplets passing through the barrier having two gates shows the interference fringes typical for the two slit experiment. Their explanation is that the droplet while moving on the surface induces on this surface the weak Faraday waves. The latter provide the guidance conditions for the droplets. In this perspective, we can draw conclusion that the de Broglie physical wave can be represented by perturbations of the ether when the particle moves through it."


Why do you think you are unable to understand the particle always detected traveling through a single slit in a double slit experiment is evidence the particle always travels through a single slit?

You are able to understand in a boat double slit experiment the boat travels through a single slit even when you close your eyes, correct?

The medium the boat moves through and displaces is the water. The medium the particle moves through and displaces is the aether.
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« Reply #16 on: 01/02/2015 11:48:11 »
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Why ...
Tell me something. When I decide that nothing good can come from further participation in a thread I let people know that by stating so such as when I said in my last post This is my last post in this thread.. So why is it that people such as yourself post again asking more questions like this one? To me that's nothing but trolling and I'll thank you to not do it.
 

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« Reply #17 on: 01/02/2015 13:01:02 »
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Why ...
Tell me something. When I decide that nothing good can come from further participation in a thread I let people know that by stating so such as when I said in my last post This is my last post in this thread.. So why is it that people such as yourself post again asking more questions like this one? To me that's nothing but trolling and I'll thank you to not do it.

You make a statement saying there is no reason for there to be an aether. The aether is what waves in terms of wave-particle duality. The aether is what waves in a double slit experiment.

It's as simple as understanding in a boat double slit experiment the boat always travels through a single slit and the associated bow wave passes through both.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both.

The reason why the particle is always detected traveling through a single slit in a double slit experiment is because it always travels through a single slit; just as the boat always travels through a single slit in a boat double slit experiment.
 

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« Reply #18 on: 09/02/2015 13:03:47 »
'Pilot-wave hydrodynamics
John W.M. Bush
Department of Mathematics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology'
http://dspace.mit.edu/openaccess-disseminate/1721.1/89790

"Pilot-wave theory was first proposed by de Broglie (1923), who envisaged microscopic particles being guided by an accompanying wave field, pushed in a direction perpendicular to surfaces of constant phase (de Broglie 1926, de Broglie 1930, Bacchiagaluppi & Valentini 2009). His original conception, his ‘double solution theory’ (de Broglie 1956), involved two waves, a real pilot wave centered on the particle, and the statistical wave predicted by standard quantum theory"

"The walker system is closer to de Broglie’s double-solution theory than to Bohmian mechanics (Couder & Fort 2012). In the double-solution theory, as in this hydrodynamic system, the statistical wave must be augmented by the real pilot wave: the standard wave–particle duality must be extended to the wave–particle–pilot-wave trinity."

What waves in a double slit experiment is the aether.
 

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« Reply #19 on: 10/02/2015 00:59:19 »
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You make a statement saying there is no reason for there to be an aether. The aether is what waves in terms of wave-particle duality. The aether is what waves in a double slit experiment.
I'm bored so I thought I'd chat with you for a little while.

You're asserting that The aether is what waves in terms of wave-particle duality. What you haven't done is to justify this statement. You're assuming that there must be something physical in nature that is undergoing oscillations. That's simply not true. Have you ever actually studied quantum mechanics? It doesn't appear so because in quantum theory the exists having to do with waves is the wave function, not a physical wave. There is nothing in the theory of quantum mechanics that suggests that something is actually waving. The wave function is merely a computational tool which is used to calculate the probability density of a particle and other things. It's a very powerful tool in fact because it contains all the information that anybody would want to know about the system that it's describing. But as I said, it has nothing to do with any physical "waving". Since you have a problem in understanding this part of quantum mechanics please read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_function

If your really want to be knowledgeable about your hypothesis then you should at least be knowledgeable about the terms that you're using. In particular see the part where it says
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This explains the name "wave function", and gives rise to wave–particle duality. The wave of the wave function, however, is not a wave in physical space; it is a wave in an abstract mathematical "space", and in this respect it differs fundamentally from water waves or waves on a string.

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It's as simple as understanding in a boat double slit experiment the boat always travels through a single slit and the associated bow wave passes through both.
You don't have to explain how waves work. I'm a physicist, remember?

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A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.
Nope. Mainstream physics has no such aether in it. And for good reasons in fact. This interpretation was due to De Broglie. It was one of the first attempts at a hidden variable theory, which have all been rejected on physical grounds. E.g. if nature really worked by pilot waves then it would be deterministic and particles really would have classical trajectories. Therefore when electrons moved around in atoms they'd radiate. However we don't observe any such radiation. Therefore the theory fails.
 

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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #20 on: 10/02/2015 01:16:39 »
You're asserting that The aether is what waves in terms of wave-particle duality. What you haven't done is to justify this statement. You're assuming that there must be something physical in nature that is undergoing oscillations. That's simply not true. Have you ever actually studied quantum mechanics? It doesn't appear so because in quantum theory the exists having to do with waves is the wave function, not a physical wave. There is nothing in the theory of quantum mechanics that suggests that something is actually waving. The wave function is merely a computational tool which is used to calculate the probability density of a particle and other things. It's a very powerful tool in fact because it contains all the information that anybody would want to know about the system that it's describing. But as I said, it has nothing to do with any physical "waving".

Which is why in de Broglie's double solution theory there are two waves. There is the statistical wave function wave which is used to determine the probabilistic results of experiments and the physical wave which guides the particle.

'Physical vacuum is a special superfluid medium'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1501.06763

"Another interpretation was proposed by Louis de Broglie [18], which permits to explain such an experiment. In de Broglie’s wave mechanics and the double solution theory there are two waves. There is the wave function that is a mathematical construct. It does not physically exist and is used to determine the probabilistic results of experiments. There is also a physical wave guiding the particle from its creation to detection. As the particle moves from a source to a detector, the particle perturbs the wave field and gets a reverse effect from it. As a result, the physical wave guides the particle along some optimal trajectory, Bohmian trajectory [9, 10], up to its detection."

'Pilot-wave hydrodynamics
John W.M. Bush
Department of Mathematics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology'
http://dspace.mit.edu/openaccess-disseminate/1721.1/89790

"Pilot-wave theory was first proposed by de Broglie (1923), who envisaged microscopic particles being guided by an accompanying wave field, pushed in a direction perpendicular to surfaces of constant phase (de Broglie 1926, de Broglie 1930, Bacchiagaluppi & Valentini 2009). His original conception, his ‘double solution theory’ (de Broglie 1956), involved two waves, a real pilot wave centered on the particle, and the statistical wave predicted by standard quantum theory"

"The walker system is closer to de Broglie’s double-solution theory than to Bohmian mechanics (Couder & Fort 2012). In the double-solution theory, as in this hydrodynamic system, the statistical wave must be augmented by the real pilot wave: the standard wave–particle duality must be extended to the wave–particle–pilot-wave trinity."



What waves in a double slit experiment is the aether.
 

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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #21 on: 10/02/2015 01:24:55 »
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Which is why in de Broglie's double solution theory there are two waves. There is the statistical wave function wave which is used to determine the probabilistic results of experiments and the physical wave which guides the particle.
You can't prove that he was right merely by saying so. In the first place the consensus is overwhelmingly against that theory for very good reasons, reasons you keep ignoring when I post them. In the second place that's a very old paper written in a time when quantum mechanics was young. Things have changed and many experiments have been done which indicate that he's wrong. Also you keep ignoring the meaning of the wave function.

Your references aren't worth anything in this thread. It's not even clear to me that you read and understood them.

Do you have anything else to say other than to repeat your opinion? Opinions aren't very useful and we're not too interested in them. However it you have a theorem you can prove or have done and experiment whose results you've published which are consistent with predictions made by your theorem then let me know. So far you haven't made any predictions with your theory and as such you haven't set it off from the current theory.

I think you really need to study the philosophy of physics to get a full understanding of how physics works. I'd give you some references online which you can read which are superb but I don't believe that you'd read them. Would you?
 

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Re: Aether Displacement
« Reply #22 on: 10/02/2015 01:41:02 »

You can't prove that he was right merely by saying so. In the first place the consensus is overwhelmingly against that theory for very good reasons, reasons you keep ignoring when I post them. In the second place that's a very old paper written in a time when quantum mechanics was young. Things have changed and many experiments have been done which indicate that he's wrong. Also you keep ignoring the meaning of the wave function.



I agree Pete........... It's amusing how people come to our forum quoting outdated material to support their ideas when current experiments has proven such things to be incorrect. These men were giants in their day but knowledge has moved beyond their place in history today. We should always honor these great men of science but also remember that just because, "so and so said" or "such and such was written" don't mean that they were 100% right about everything. Facts will change as new knowledge is gathered and if we don't stay current with the latest science, we might find ourselves in error as well.
 

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« Reply #23 on: 10/02/2015 01:45:43 »
In the second place that's a very old paper written in a time when quantum mechanics was young.

5 Feb 2015 is an old paper?

'Physical vacuum is a special superfluid medium'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1501.06763

January , 2015 is an old paper?

'Pilot-wave hydrodynamics
John W.M. Bush
Department of Mathematics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology'
http://dspace.mit.edu/openaccess-disseminate/1721.1/89790
« Last Edit: 10/02/2015 01:51:55 by liquidspacetime »
 

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« Reply #24 on: 10/02/2015 01:47:45 »
I agree Pete........... It's amusing how people come to our forum quoting outdated material to support their ideas when current experiments has proven such things to be incorrect. These men were giants in their day but knowledge has moved beyond their place in history today. We should always honor these great men of science but also remember that just because, "so and so said" or "such and such was written" don't mean that they were 100% right about everything. Facts will change as new knowledge is gathered and if we don't stay current with the latest science, we might find ourselves in error as well.

5 Feb 2015 is outdated material?

'Physical vacuum is a special superfluid medium'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1501.06763

January , 2015 is outdated material?

'Pilot-wave hydrodynamics
John W.M. Bush
Department of Mathematics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology'
http://dspace.mit.edu/openaccess-disseminate/1721.1/89790

« Last Edit: 10/02/2015 01:51:14 by liquidspacetime »
 

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