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« Reply #25 on: 10/02/2015 02:29:14 »
In the second place that's a very old paper written in a time when quantum mechanics was young.

5 Feb 2015 is an old paper?

'Physical vacuum is a special superfluid medium'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1501.06763

January , 2015 is an old paper?

'Pilot-wave hydrodynamics
John W.M. Bush
Department of Mathematics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology'
http://dspace.mit.edu/openaccess-disseminate/1721.1/89790
I'm talking about the original paper which you're basing it on. I'm not convinced that the papers you quote say what you think they're saying. People who don't have a good grasp of physics often resort to quote mining which means that they look for papers which have words they want and appear to use them to support what they claim. I don't think those papers claim what you claim they do. Have you actually read them in full? Did you understand them 100%.

I'll read them this week some time and contact the authors to see if they mean what you claim they do.
 

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« Reply #26 on: 10/02/2015 02:42:11 »
I'm talking about the original paper which you're basing it on. I'm not convinced that the papers you quote say what you think they're saying. People who don't have a good grasp of physics often resort to quote mining which means that they look for papers which have words they want and appear to use them to support what they claim. I don't think those papers claim what you claim they do. Have you actually read them in full? Did you understand them 100%.

What do you think, "There is the wave function that is a mathematical construct. It does not physically exist and is used to determine the probabilistic results of experiments. There is also a physical wave guiding the particle from its creation to detection. As the particle moves from a source to a detector, the particle perturbs the wave field and gets a reverse effect from it. As a result, the physical wave guides the particle along some optimal trajectory, Bohmian trajectory [9, 10], up to its detection." and "His original conception, his ‘double solution theory’ (de Broglie 1956), involved two waves, a real pilot wave centered on the particle, and the statistical wave predicted by standard quantum theory" ... In the double-solution theory, as in this hydrodynamic system, the statistical wave must be augmented by the real pilot wave" mean?

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I'll read them this week some time and contact the authors to see if they mean what you claim they do.

You are going to read the articles before commenting on them further?
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« Reply #27 on: 10/02/2015 03:05:51 »
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You are going to read the articles before commenting on them further?
First off, yes. I'm going to read at least one of them and speak to the author. But do you really think that just because someone wrote a paper using the concept that it means that it must be true when in fact it's rejected by the majority of the quantum mechanics community? Why would you make such an assumption? What facts do you have to support your claim other than it sounds nice?

The main problem with you and your theory is that you keep ignoring the question I asked you. That's a sure sign of being a crackpot. See

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

You fit the following:

1 point for every statement that is widely agreed on to be false.

5 points for each such statement that is adhered to despite careful correction.

10 points for each claim that quantum mechanics is fundamentally misguided (without good evidence).


Regarding 5 and 10 - I explained that according to your theory the electron should radiate while in the atom or while accelerating in the atom. Since it doesn't it can't be following a classical path, which is what you're theory is claiming that it's doing. You keep refusing to address this point making you a crackpot.

See also http://home.comcast.net/~peter.m.brown/ref/what_is_science.pdf
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« Reply #28 on: 10/02/2015 03:25:48 »
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There is evidence of the aether every time a double slit experiment is performed; it's what waves.

Science is being capable of understanding the particle always detected in a single slit is evidence the particle is always in a single slit. It is the associated wave in the aether which passes through both.
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« Reply #29 on: 10/02/2015 04:29:03 »
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There is evidence of the aether every time a double slit experiment is performed; it's what waves.
You can't be serious!!!! That's not the way physics works. You can't use that as proof because you postulated it to explain it. The only evidence that counts are observations made when you used the theory to predict something never before observed. You have a lot to learn about the philosophy of science. And I can't see spending more time with you. There's no point to it. People such as yourself don't come here to learn. They have a pet theory that they want to paste on the forum so that others can admire them for it. It's like a religion in that nothing you can say will make them see that they're wrong regardless of how many holes are in their theory they simply do not have the background in physics to understand the explanations of their mistakes.
 

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« Reply #30 on: 10/02/2015 04:55:46 »
You can't be serious!!!! That's not the way physics works. You can't use that as proof because you postulated it to explain it. The only evidence that counts are observations made when you used the theory to predict something never before observed. You have a lot to learn about the philosophy of science. And I can't see spending more time with you. There's no point to it. People such as yourself don't come here to learn. They have a pet theory that they want to paste on the forum so that others can admire them for it. It's like a religion in that nothing you can say will make them see that they're wrong regardless of how many holes are in their theory they simply do not have the background in physics to understand the explanations of their mistakes.

Are you able to understand in a boat double slit experiment the boat travels through a single slit even when you close your eyes?

Why don't you read the articles.
 

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« Reply #31 on: 10/02/2015 12:33:25 »
Are you able to understand in a boat double slit experiment the boat travels through a single slit even when you close your eyes?

Why don't you read the articles.

You watch a boat double slit experiment performed hundreds of times. Each time the boat travels through a single slit. The next time the experiment is performed you close your eyes and open them to find the boat in the middle of one of the slits. Are you able to deduce the boat entered that slit?
 

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« Reply #32 on: 11/02/2015 21:38:22 »
You're doing it yet again. First off you never answer my question as to why you ask me questions after I say I won't answer anymore questions. That's an odd thing to do. It's like trolling. Then there's the fact that you never answered my question about the problem with that theory in that it implies electrons in atoms should radiate and yet we don't observe that.

What do you have to say for yourself?
 

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« Reply #33 on: 11/02/2015 21:51:17 »
You're doing it yet again. First off you never answer my question as to why you ask me questions after I say I won't answer anymore questions. That's an odd thing to do. It's like trolling. Then there's the fact that you never answered my question about the problem with that theory in that it implies electrons in atoms should radiate and yet we don't observe that.

Provide links.

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What do you have to say for yourself?

It's a very simple question I am asking you. It's also rhetorical.

Are you able to understand if you open your eyes in the middle of a boat double slit experiment and observe the boat in the middle of one of the slits it's because it entered that slit?

It's no different for the particle in a double slit experiment. When you detect the particle in one of the slits it's because it entered that slit.

Did you read the articles yet?
 

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« Reply #34 on: 12/02/2015 00:53:59 »
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Provide links.
Links to what???? I asked you the following: If there was such thing as the physical wave which guides particles then it would mean that the particle has a classical trajectory. If that's true then an electron moving in an atom will radiate energy and the atom will collapse in a fraction of a second. Since they don't if follows that your premise is false.

And I don't know what a boat double slit is. It sounds like a classical set up and as such its not about quantum mechanics. In any case I already told you that I'm not interested in this thread because (1) Its impossible for you to see your mistakes (e.g. such as you gave no reason why this version of QM should be the right one and the one used by 99.9% of the other physicists, etc.). I know what the papers are about. It's a hidden variable theory and those theories can't hold water for the reason I just gave you, i.e. electrons in atoms should radiate etc.

In any case you have a bad habit of not answering questions directed to you so I won't continue with this. E.g. I've asked you many times why you ask me questions when I say I will NOT post again and you ignore me. So how does it feel to be ignored? All I'm doing is giving you a taste of your own medicine.

There are plenty of other crackpots to talk to. I already gave you your share of my time. Now its time to show the other crackpots what they're doing wrong like that guy in the other forum who thought he proved Einstein wrong when in fact it was his ignorance of what relativity was all about that was the problem.
 

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« Reply #35 on: 12/02/2015 01:11:16 »
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Provide links.
Links to what????

I take it you haven't read the articles I linked to previously where there is a particle and an associated wave in wave-particle duality.

Links as in:

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G ̈del metric'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.5654

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53−αg,6a2 so, it is positive if αg < 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval αg < 15 corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused by pressure or vorticity.

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old Cosmological Constant Problem'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new form of matter. This is the real substance"

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a supersolid, which is described in the following article as the 'fluidic' nature of space itself. The article describes a 'back reaction' associated with the 'fluidic' nature of space itself. This is the displaced aether 'displacing back'.

'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and Inertial Backreaction'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458

"We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide further evidence of the “fluidic” nature of space itself. This "back-reaction" is quantified by the tendency of angular momentum flux threading across a surface."

The following article describes the aether as that which produces resistance to acceleration and is responsible for the increase in mass of an object with velocity and describes the "space-time ideal fluid approach from general relativity."

'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and fluidic inertia'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611

"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of mass. ... Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a particle in uniform motion through an ideal fluid (D’Alembert’s paradox) corresponds to Newton’s first law. The law of inertia suggests that the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid, agreeing with the space-time ideal fluid approach from general relativity."

The relativistic mass of an object is the mass of the object and the mass of the aether connected to and neighboring the object which is displaced by the object. The faster an object moves with respect to the state of the aether in which it exists the greater the displacement of the aether by the object the greater the relativistic mass of the object.

The incompressible fluid described in the following article is the gravitational aether which "the theory reduces to GR coupled to an incompressible fluid."

'Empty Black Holes, Firewalls, and the Origin of Bekenstein-Hawking Entropy'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.4176

"But why an incompressible fluid? The reason comes from an attempt to solve the (old) cosmological constant problem, which is arguably the most puzzling aspect of coupling gravity to relativistic quantum mechanics [13]. Given that the natural expectation value for the vacuum of the standard model of particle physics is ∼ 60 orders of magnitude heavier than the gravitational measurements of vacuum density, it is reasonable to entertain an alternative theory of gravity where the standard model vacuum decouples from gravity. Such a theory could be realized by coupling gravity to the traceless part of the quantum mechanical energy-momentum tensor. However, the consistency/covariance of gravitational field equations then requires introducing an auxiliary fluid, the so-called gravitational aether [14]. The simplest model for gravitational aether is an incompressible fluid (with vanishing energy density, but non-vanishing pressure), which is currently consistent with all cosmological, astrophysical, and precision tests of gravity [15, 16]:

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32πGN Gμν = Tμν − Tα gμν + Tμν ,
Tμν = p (uμ uν + gμν ), T μν;ν = 0,

where GN is Newton’s constant, Tμν is the matter energy momentum tensor and T'μν is the incompressible gravitational aether fluid. In vacuum, the theory reduces to GR coupled to an incompressible fluid."

The following articles describe what is presently postulated as dark matter is aether.

'Quantum aether and an invariant Planck scale'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.3753

"this version of aether may have some bearing on the abundance of Dark Matter and Dark Energy in our universe."

"mass of the aether"

'Scalars, Vectors and Tensors from Metric-Affine Gravity'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.5168

"the model obtained here gets closer to the aether theory of , which is shown therein to be an alternative to the cold dark matter."

'Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.4758

"Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the universe using superfluid aether is compatible."

'Vainshtein mechanism in Gauss-Bonnet gravity and Galileon aether'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1107.1892

"the perturbations of the scalar field do not propagate in the Minkowski space-time but rather in some form of ”aether” because of the presence of the background field"

'On the super-fluid property of the relativistic physical vacuum medium and the inertial motion of particles'
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0701155

"In this paper we shall show that the relativistic physical vacuum medium as a ubiquitous back ground field is a super fluid medium."
 

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« Reply #36 on: 12/03/2015 17:35:48 »
'The Other de Broglie Wave'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1503.02534

The other wave is an aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and the associated wave in the aether passes through both.
 

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« Reply #37 on: 21/03/2015 16:11:19 »
Call it whatever you want, 'empty' space has mass which physically occupies three dimensional space and is physically displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.

In a double slit experiment it is the mass which fills 'empty' space that waves.

The Milky Way's halo is not a clump of dark matter traveling along with the Milky Way. The Milky Way is moving through and displacing the mass which fills 'empty' space.

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the mass which fills 'empty' space.

The state of displacement of the mass which fills 'empty' space is the deformation of spacetime.

The Milky Way's halo is the deformation of spacetime.
 

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« Reply #38 on: 21/03/2015 21:33:08 »
Who in the hell are you talking too? I realized months ago how much of a crackpot you are and as such you can't be taught or helped. There hasn't been any comment by me since Feb. 12th! Don't you understand that it means that nobody cares about your nonsense anymore? We know that you're a crackpot already so give it up.
 

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« Reply #39 on: 21/03/2015 21:55:26 »
The Milky Way's halo is the deformation of spacetime.
 

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« Reply #40 on: 27/03/2015 03:20:56 »
'Is dark matter a FLUID?'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3013284/Is-dark-matter-FLUID-Mystery-particles-mapped-galaxy-clusters-results-suggest-not-particles-all.html

"This suggests dark matter may not actually be composed of particles. It could instead be like a 'fluid', or something else entirely"

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the course of time; or else-with the help of small floats, for instance - we can observe how the position of the separate particles of water alters in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for tracking the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental impossibility in physics - if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium."

if, in fact nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the aether as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that aether consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium having mass which is displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.
 

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« Reply #41 on: 27/03/2015 04:37:04 »
Still talking to yourself, huh?
 

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« Reply #42 on: 27/03/2015 12:47:16 »
The Milky Way's halo is the deformation of spacetime.
 

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« Reply #43 on: 01/04/2015 16:35:57 »
'Variations on an aethereal theme'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1503.08911

"so that µ acts like a “dark matter” source of gravity that can be interpreted as the internal energy density of a ponderable aether."

The Milky Way's halo is not a clump of dark matter traveling along with the Milky Way.

The Milky Way is moving through and displacing the aether.

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

The Milky Way's halo is the deformation of spacetime.
 

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« Reply #44 on: 01/04/2015 16:56:38 »
Again with the talking to yourself, huh?
 

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« Reply #45 on: 01/04/2015 17:04:29 »
'Variations on an aethereal theme'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1503.08911

"the “aethereal dark matter fluid” has pressure"

There is no such thing as dark matter anchored to matter. Matter moves through and displaces the aether. The aether 'displaces back'. This is the pressure exerted by the displaced aether toward the matter.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward matter is gravity.

The state of displacement of the aether is gravity.

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

The Milky Way's halo is the deformation of spacetime.
 

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« Reply #46 on: 22/04/2015 20:19:19 »
'DARK ENERGY/DARK MASS: THE SILENT TRUTH'
https://tienzengong.wordpress.com/2015/04/22/dark-energydark-mass-the-silent-truth/

"Matt Strassler: “But if it [dark matter] is something about space itself, I would say that that effect isn’t what we would call dark matter. Rather, it’s an alternative explanation for what we observe."

"That is, all that we are certain about [is] the dark mass, not dark matter, let alone to say about the dark ‘particle’."

The Milky Way moves through and displaces the dark mass.

The state of displacement of the dark mass is curved spacetime.

The Milky Way's halo is curved spacetime.
 

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« Reply #47 on: 09/05/2015 16:20:52 »
'Hubble Scientists Map a Massive Halo of Gas Around Andromeda Galaxy'
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/hubble-team-maps-huge-halo-gas-around-andromeda-galaxy-n355521

"The nearly invisible halo has half as much mass as all the stars in Andromeda combined, and perhaps more — so could such halos account for the mysterious dark matter that astronomers have been puzzling over? Not even close, Lehner said. "It's a very massive halo, but it's still less than a tenth the mass of the dark matter," he told NBC News."

Physicists are starting to realize the notions of dark matter and the dark matter particle are incorrect. They are referring to the mass which fills 'empty' space as the 'dark mass' in order to distinguish it from the baggage associated with dark matter.

'Dark Energy/Dark Mass: The Slient Truth'
https://tienzengong.wordpress.com/2015/04/22/dark-energydark-mass-the-silent-truth/

"That is, all that we are certain about [is] the dark mass, not dark matter, let alone to say about the dark 'particle'."

Particles of matter move through and displace the dark mass, including 'particles' as large as galaxies and galaxy clusters.

The Andromeda Galaxy is not traveling with a clump of dark matter analogous to the gas in its halo.

The Andromeda Galaxy is moving through and displacing the dark mass.

The state of displacement of the dark mass is curved spacetime.
 

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« Reply #48 on: 15/05/2015 18:15:53 »
'Maybe dark matter is not made up of heavy particles after all'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150515083408.htm

"These rare, extreme examples of clusters caught in the act of colliding seem to be challenging the accepted view that dark matter is made up of heavy particles, since no such particles have actually been detected yet, despite the efforts being made to find them by means of the LHC (Large Hadron Particle Collider) accelerator in Geneva and the LUX (Large Underground Xenon Experiment), an underground dark matter detector in the United States. In Tom Broadhurst's opinion, "it's all the more important to find a new model that will enable the mysterious dark matter to be understood better." Broadhurst is one of the authors of a wave-dark-matter model published in Nature Physics last year."

The first thing they need to do is to stop referring to it as 'dark matter'. 'Empty' space has mass which physically occupies three dimensional space and is physically displaced by the particles of matter which exist in it and move through it.

The Milky Way moves through and curves spacetime.

The Milky Way moves through and displaces the 'dark mass'.

The state of displacement of the dark mass is curved spacetime.
 

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« Reply #49 on: 22/05/2015 14:25:13 »
the empty space is the medium of em force, em forces/charges vibrate in the medium to produce em wave. 

the force between all matter/body/charge is already/always there, the pause/wave takes time to propagate.

remember, there is force connected all matter/charge in the space/universe. electrostatic force extends to infinite distance,
 

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