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Superluminal X-Rays?
« on: 11/11/2014 04:16:00 »
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Well apparently this guy has made 9 important discoveries in the field of physics, and the most perplexing one is the 9th, light in the  x-ray part of the spectrum, travelling at greater than c velocities. Any thoughts about it?


 

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« Reply #1 on: 12/11/2014 15:16:38 »
I find it hard, if not impossible, to believe.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 12/11/2014 16:57:40 »
All electromagnetic radiation has to find its way thru a sea of CMBR photons perhaps high energy X-rays are better at blasting a path
 

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« Reply #3 on: 12/11/2014 17:56:28 »
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All electromagnetic radiation has to find its way thru a sea of CMBR photons perhaps high energy X-rays are better at blasting a path
Nope. That's not the way EM waves work. They don't have to "blast" their way through any kind of gas of photons.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 12/11/2014 20:14:28 »
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All electromagnetic radiation has to find its way thru a sea of CMBR photons perhaps high energy X-rays are better at blasting a path
Nope. That's not the way EM waves work. They don't have to "blast" their way through any kind of gas of photons.

Unless they do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics
 

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« Reply #5 on: 12/11/2014 21:40:42 »
So does that mean that gravitation is monopolar? Not as in the electric or magnetic sense though. Another force type which is composite in nature.
 

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Re: Superluminal X-Rays?
« Reply #6 on: 15/11/2014 16:50:07 »
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Well apparently this guy has made 9 important discoveries in the field of physics, and the most perplexing one is the 9th, light in the  x-ray part of the spectrum, travelling at greater than c velocities. Any thoughts about it?
I'm sceptical. But I had a look at the paper anyway. I don't think the speed of light depends on frequency. But there is a relationship between frequency (or wavelength) and speed for ocean waves. So I'd say it's important to look at the evidence.   
 

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Re: Superluminal X-Rays?
« Reply #7 on: 16/11/2014 00:15:28 »
Even if the evidence shows that they are moving faster than light that doesn't take into account time dilation. The value of the energy of the x-rays would be at a value that counteracts the dilation. That is all. They would appear to dilated observers to move faster than light.
 

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Re: Superluminal X-Rays?
« Reply #8 on: 16/11/2014 01:20:15 »
Difficult to read the paper as it refers to bharat radiation, which is not defined and apparently only appears in a few other papers by the same author.

The finding that x-rays precede the arrival of ultraviolet radiation from a given event merely suggests that it is a two-stage event with the x-ray emission preceding or even triggering the UV emission. This is entirely normal for nuclear processes.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 16/11/2014 01:45:43 »
Difficult to read the paper as it refers to bharat radiation, which is not defined and apparently only appears in a few other papers by the same author.

The finding that x-rays precede the arrival of ultraviolet radiation from a given event merely suggests that it is a two-stage event with the x-ray emission preceding or even triggering the UV emission. This is entirely normal for nuclear processes.

That makes much more sense.
 

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« Reply #10 on: 16/11/2014 04:08:04 »
Quote from: syhprum
All electromagnetic radiation has to find its way thru a sea of CMBR photons perhaps high energy X-rays are better at blasting a path
Nope. That's not the way EM waves work. They don't have to "blast" their way through any kind of gas of photons.

Unless they do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics
Hardly. We're talking about interactions between gamma rays and there are hardly any gamma rays in the cmbr
 

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Re: Superluminal X-Rays?
« Reply #11 on: 16/11/2014 13:23:47 »
He seems serious, that doesn't guarantee anything though, unless his ideas and experiments gets authenticated by other sources. As for him stating that light being 'ftl' I don't know where it comes from? Can't find any references to it? Unless you're referring to light inside some gas, material, etc?

What this 75-yr-old’s Story tells us About Discovery in India.

U Fission Causing Sunlight by Padmanabha Rao Effect.
 

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Re: Superluminal X-Rays?
« Reply #12 on: 16/11/2014 14:19:20 »
Ahh, k, thanks John, missed that link. Thought that one had been debunked? "

Several solar spectra recorded at various wavelengths by Woods et al in 2011 demonstrated GOES X-rays arriving earlier than 13.5 nm emission, which in turn arriving earlier than 33.5 nm emission"

It's been some time since I saw that one, but it's not in any way verified, as I know. If it was it would change a lot though. On the whole I would say M.A. Padmanabha Rao falls inside the spectra of those that we want placed in 'New Theories' here. That as he wants the Sun to work by fission, not fusion, as well as actually ignoring the duality, instead assuming a wave picture in where different waves should propagate at different velocities. Together they become something entirely different from what we think us see today. That doesn't mean that he hasn't observed something not defined before, just that, if he has, now take a very long jump into the great blue younder from it.
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The point with me mentioning a duality is that you can, and physics do, translate any wave into 'photons'. As photons consist of momentum and energy, (with a same speed) it then comes down to defining them as having different speeds depending on that momentum/energy. Do we see that?
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Re: Superluminal X-Rays?
« Reply #13 on: 16/11/2014 14:20:32 »
Thanks - the first paper made immediate sense. It seems that bharat radiation is caused by excitation of outer-shell electrons by gamma radiation, followed by relaxation of the electron with the release of lower-energy photons. 

This much seems logical, but it is equally logical that the gamma emission must precede the UV.
 

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