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Carbonated Milk ?
« on: 16/09/2006 23:57:43 »
Is it possible to carbonate milk ?

or coffee ?..or tea ?

For the alcys....can you carbonate whisky ?..port ?..gin ? brandy ?

..but it's the milk I'm primarily interetsed in !

I want to know because I want to know !!

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #1 on: 17/09/2006 00:07:30 »
LOL<LOL<LOL

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #2 on: 17/09/2006 00:35:23 »
Glad to make you smile Karen Mam,

Someone..PLEASE stick some milk in one of those fizzy drink makers and tell us...I would do it but I don't have one....I am eager to enjoy a fizzy milkshake !!!(which will involve me buying a fizzy drinky maker thing then !!)

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #3 on: 17/09/2006 01:08:43 »
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Originally posted by neilep

Glad to make you smile Karen Mam,

Someone..PLEASE stick some milk in one of those fizzy drink makers and tell us...I would do it but I don't have one....I am eager to enjoy a fizzy milkshake !!!(which will involve me buying a fizzy drinky maker thing then !!)
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What exactly is a fizzy drinky maker thing??

Wouldn't carbonation cause the milk to curtle?

Sir if you carbonated it and added ice cream or whatever would that prevent the fizzy drinky thing from sending the carbonation everywhere like when you shake a can...? or does adding that milk kind of tame the fizzy part?

Wonder what would happen if you bought carbonated water and added milk either powdered or plain and dilute it with the carbonated water and see what it does.. I wonder what flavors would go well.. I bet coconut would for those who like coconut , not me.. I woder if strwberries would work? like stawberries and cream... I actually think I have this stuff and will go check it out!!


Karen
« Last Edit: 18/09/2006 00:53:24 by Karen W. »
 

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #4 on: 17/09/2006 03:55:35 »
Well, now you can put ice cream in a carbonated drink and have a nice combo....just a thought Neil.

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #5 on: 17/09/2006 06:24:09 »
Rootbeer float.. I have fresh stawberries, cabonated water and ice and milk, I am going to combine with the stawberries and put on my milk shake machine and see what happens!maybe with a scoop of french vanilla ice cream and top it off with whipping cream!! we will see!!

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #6 on: 17/09/2006 09:04:26 »
Yep...also ice cream freezes...mixing the ice cream together with the soda...

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #7 on: 17/09/2006 09:45:42 »
quote:
Originally posted by neilep

Is it possible to carbonate milk ?

or coffee ?..or tea ?

For the alcys....can you carbonate whisky ?..port ?..gin ? brandy ?

..but it's the milk I'm primarily interetsed in !

I want to know because I want to know !!

Ta

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You can always cheat and use a mixer [:p]

Oh yeah?! [}:)]

Gaia  xxx
 

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #8 on: 17/09/2006 11:50:38 »
I do see a problem with carbonated milk, partly because I know that the gas they use for making whipped cream is not carbon dioxide (but N2O or "laughing gas).  I tried to check up on a couple of things, and indeed the acidity of the carbon dioxide could be sufficient to make the milk "shift".  Actually, the way butter is made, is to make cream first, and to lower the pH by fermentation.
You can carbonate coffee or tea, but only when cold.  The solubility of carbon dioxide decreases sharply with increase of temperature.  Most of the iced teas they serve you in (continental) Europe will be carbonated.  And I don't realy like the taste of carbonated cold coffee.
Can you carbonate strong alcoholic drinks ?  Frankly, I don't know, and I have never tested.  Of course, the destilation process needed to make the strong drinks will remove all carbon dioxide.  But it is quite possible that adding alcohol will decrease the solubility of carbon dioxide in water.  Compare the effect of adding some strong alcoholic drink to soda water, to the effect of adding a similar amount of "flat" water to the same amount of soda water.  (The few tests I just made are not conclusive)
« Last Edit: 18/09/2006 16:39:19 by eric l »
 

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #9 on: 17/09/2006 19:53:18 »
ERIC..THANK YOU for your wonderful reply....I learn so much just by being around you guys. THANK YOU.

KAREN..have you not seen those fizy drink makerts ?..they've been around at least 30 years Mam

LO Hmmmmm...Coke and ice cream...hmmm..a coke float !!

GAIA...Hmmm..mixers eh ?....like a milkshake being drunk in a jacuzzi ? ;)

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #10 on: 17/09/2006 23:25:30 »
Yep Neil,  you got it...but if you mix it...it is really awesome..you can use orange soda, rootbeer, pepsi, etc...

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #11 on: 18/09/2006 00:49:51 »
Now Eric are you indeed saying that the carbonated water would in fact curtle the milk causing it to turn? Just wondering! I will try it!!! Hmmm lets see what happens!I will try mixing powdered milk first! My ice cream I thought was vanilla, is stawberry cheesecake.. but it should be fine as I have strawberries, frozen ones, someone ate the rest of the fresh! I will check it tonight!I will do an experiment send you pics and you post pics ok Neil, then you tell me if my milkshake maker is what your talking about or like gaia said a blender, which I have also!



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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #12 on: 18/09/2006 12:18:48 »
Imagine how burby the babies would be [^]

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #13 on: 18/09/2006 14:59:27 »
Fizzy Milk :-S.
 

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #14 on: 18/09/2006 17:06:52 »
quote:
Originally posted by neilep

Is it possible to carbonate milk ?

or coffee ?..or tea ?

For the alcys....can you carbonate whisky ?..port ?..gin ? brandy ?

..but it's the milk I'm primarily interetsed in !

I want to know because I want to know !!

Ta




You could try these experiments for yourself if they still make "SodaStream" machines.
http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10438111

"Get busy with the fizzy"
http://www.ciao.co.uk/Sodastream__Review_5070702
« Last Edit: 18/09/2006 17:09:27 by ROBERT »
 

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #15 on: 18/09/2006 17:13:07 »
To quote Monty Pyton :  "Blessed are the cheesemakers !".  It is actually from a retired cheesemaker that I got part of the wisdom on dairy processes.  I combined what he told me with what I know about water soluble proteins (which I studied intensively in their function as binders).
The water soluble proteins in milk work as emulgators rather than as binders, but they are just as sensitive to pH changes.
It may be that the results will be slightly different when comparing fresh milk (straight from the cow), processed milk (you buy in the supermarket) or powdered milk.  Processed milk is "homogenized", but my cheesmaker friend tells me there are no additives involved.  It is just a mechanical proces to decrease the size of the fat droplets, in order to prevent the milk from separating into cream and skimmed milk on standing.  And it is possible to make cheese from homogenized milk.  Furthermore, I remember from my African days, when we had only powdered milk available, that you can make a kind of cottage cheese from powdered milk.
But all that is a long way from the carbonated milk Neil was after.
 

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #16 on: 17/09/2006 00:07:30 »
LOL<LOL<LOL

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #17 on: 17/09/2006 00:35:23 »
Glad to make you smile Karen Mam,

Someone..PLEASE stick some milk in one of those fizzy drink makers and tell us...I would do it but I don't have one....I am eager to enjoy a fizzy milkshake !!!(which will involve me buying a fizzy drinky maker thing then !!)

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #18 on: 17/09/2006 01:08:43 »
quote:
Originally posted by neilep

Glad to make you smile Karen Mam,

Someone..PLEASE stick some milk in one of those fizzy drink makers and tell us...I would do it but I don't have one....I am eager to enjoy a fizzy milkshake !!!(which will involve me buying a fizzy drinky maker thing then !!)
Men are the same as women, just inside out !



What exactly is a fizzy drinky maker thing??

Wouldn't carbonation cause the milk to curtle?

Sir if you carbonated it and added ice cream or whatever would that prevent the fizzy drinky thing from sending the carbonation everywhere like when you shake a can...? or does adding that milk kind of tame the fizzy part?

Wonder what would happen if you bought carbonated water and added milk either powdered or plain and dilute it with the carbonated water and see what it does.. I wonder what flavors would go well.. I bet coconut would for those who like coconut , not me.. I woder if strwberries would work? like stawberries and cream... I actually think I have this stuff and will go check it out!!


Karen
« Last Edit: 18/09/2006 00:53:24 by Karen W. »
 

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #19 on: 17/09/2006 03:55:35 »
Well, now you can put ice cream in a carbonated drink and have a nice combo....just a thought Neil.

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #20 on: 17/09/2006 06:24:09 »
Rootbeer float.. I have fresh stawberries, cabonated water and ice and milk, I am going to combine with the stawberries and put on my milk shake machine and see what happens!maybe with a scoop of french vanilla ice cream and top it off with whipping cream!! we will see!!

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #21 on: 17/09/2006 09:04:26 »
Yep...also ice cream freezes...mixing the ice cream together with the soda...

"Lo" Loretta
 

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #22 on: 17/09/2006 09:45:42 »
quote:
Originally posted by neilep

Is it possible to carbonate milk ?

or coffee ?..or tea ?

For the alcys....can you carbonate whisky ?..port ?..gin ? brandy ?

..but it's the milk I'm primarily interetsed in !

I want to know because I want to know !!

Ta

Men are the same as women, just inside out !



You can always cheat and use a mixer [:p]

Oh yeah?! [}:)]

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #23 on: 17/09/2006 11:50:38 »
I do see a problem with carbonated milk, partly because I know that the gas they use for making whipped cream is not carbon dioxide (but N2O or "laughing gas).  I tried to check up on a couple of things, and indeed the acidity of the carbon dioxide could be sufficient to make the milk "shift".  Actually, the way butter is made, is to make cream first, and to lower the pH by fermentation.
You can carbonate coffee or tea, but only when cold.  The solubility of carbon dioxide decreases sharply with increase of temperature.  Most of the iced teas they serve you in (continental) Europe will be carbonated.  And I don't realy like the taste of carbonated cold coffee.
Can you carbonate strong alcoholic drinks ?  Frankly, I don't know, and I have never tested.  Of course, the destilation process needed to make the strong drinks will remove all carbon dioxide.  But it is quite possible that adding alcohol will decrease the solubility of carbon dioxide in water.  Compare the effect of adding some strong alcoholic drink to soda water, to the effect of adding a similar amount of "flat" water to the same amount of soda water.  (The few tests I just made are not conclusive)
« Last Edit: 18/09/2006 16:39:19 by eric l »
 

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Re: Carbonated Milk ?
« Reply #24 on: 17/09/2006 19:53:18 »
ERIC..THANK YOU for your wonderful reply....I learn so much just by being around you guys. THANK YOU.

KAREN..have you not seen those fizy drink makerts ?..they've been around at least 30 years Mam

LO Hmmmmm...Coke and ice cream...hmmm..a coke float !!

GAIA...Hmmm..mixers eh ?....like a milkshake being drunk in a jacuzzi ? ;)

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