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Re: For or against the death penalty?
« Reply #75 on: 01/10/2006 10:58:58 »
Sounds like a relaxing time.. What kind of dog do you have? I like dogs!!

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Re: For or against the death penalty?
« Reply #76 on: 01/10/2006 18:12:02 »
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Literature and Social Studies.  The only reason he doesn't have an A in both of these is because the little bugger is making an F in the homework portion of his grades.  He's making a C in algebra, but I know he's trying in that class and he's only a few points away from a b, so he has time to get his grade up before report cards come out.  I don't know about science yet, but he better be doing well in that too.



Don't you think you are being a tad unreasonable. My mum used to try and push me all the time and i ended up going the opposite way to rebel against her. So what if he did'nt get A grades?



Hi Andy - I know I sound unreasonable here.  Yes a B is a good grade.  If it were the best he could do, then I would be satisfied. But it is way below his abilities.  The only reason he isn't making A's in these subjects is because he doesn't do his homework.  He has been reading since he was a 4 year old.  He loves to read.  He's one of the few boys his age (that I know) that reads for pleasure.  He just doesn't want to spend an hour an evening doing homework. He'd rather play his video games or be online.

His punishment isn't really about the B, it's about the F in his homework.  I couldn't tell you if his IQ is genius or not, but I do know his intelligence is well above average.   He has big dreams for his future and that includes college.  I consider it one of my most important jobs as his mom, to do everthing within my power to help him see his dreams come true.  I don't want him to look back in 10-15 years and have regrets about what he should've done with his education.

I appreciate your concern about me pushing him too far.  I worry about that as well, so I am careful to pay attention as to when to push and when to back off. Notice I didn't punish him about the C in algebra.  I know he's working hard to do better there.  And if I do push to hard, he's quick to remind me to back off, because he'll be the one picking out my nursing home.:D

Carolyn
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Re: For or against the death penalty?
« Reply #77 on: 01/10/2006 18:17:40 »
LOL good job MOM!! Sounds Like my kids!

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Re: For or against the death penalty?
« Reply #78 on: 01/10/2006 18:43:22 »
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Thou shall not kill - exactly. Murderers kill and that is why god made us carry out his will when they do (ie, execute them).



I think the simple answer to this is that two wrongs don't make a right.



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Re: For or against the death penalty?
« Reply #79 on: 01/10/2006 18:48:35 »
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Yes exactly.  Every where I went, people whispered and giggled.  I had been very active in my church, and was a Sunday school teacher for the teenagers.  Almost the entire church community turned against me.  It broke my heart.  You would've thought I  had burned their homes down or something equally bad.  Of course, now they're real sweet.  You know the type, sugar wouldn't melt in their mouths.

Carolyn



I have to say that I find this disgraceful behaviour from any group of people (I am not even going to go into the hypocrisy of a church that preaches forgiveness and inclusion – and in Jesus's own words “let him who is without sin cast the first stone”).  But then, maybe it is an unfortunate aspect of human nature that he who preaches the loudest least follows their own doctrine – maybe one should listen more to the quiet voices to show by their actions and not by their load words.



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Re: For or against the death penalty?
« Reply #80 on: 01/10/2006 19:04:54 »
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Hi Andy - I know I sound unreasonable here.  Yes a B is a good grade.  If it were the best he could do, then I would be satisfied. But it is way below his abilities.  The only reason he isn't making A's in these subjects is because he doesn't do his homework.  He has been reading since he was a 4 year old.  He loves to read.  He's one of the few boys his age (that I know) that reads for pleasure.  He just doesn't want to spend an hour an evening doing homework. He'd rather play his video games or be online.

His punishment isn't really about the B, it's about the F in his homework.  I couldn't tell you if his IQ is genius or not, but I do know his intelligence is well above average.   He has big dreams for his future and that includes college.  I consider it one of my most important jobs as his mom, to do everthing within my power to help him see his dreams come true.  I don't want him to look back in 10-15 years and have regrets about what he should've done with his education.

I appreciate your concern about me pushing him too far.  I worry about that as well, so I am careful to pay attention as to when to push and when to back off. Notice I didn't punish him about the C in algebra.  I know he's working hard to do better there.  And if I do push to hard, he's quick to remind me to back off, because he'll be the one picking out my nursing home.:D

Carolyn


I have to say that my instinct if to agree with Andy here – but maybe we are both wrong.
I must admit, I never rebelled, but then my mother never really pushed me with regard to schooling – she knew I was learning, and was interested in things, and never really worried too much about what actual grades I got (in fact, her attitude was often that if I knew my stuff, and the school were complaining, then it was the schools problem for not recognising that I had learnt all I was meant to learn).

OK, i will freely admit, all of this has caused me problems – the trouble was that the learning was too easy, so I never learnt the need to put any effort into anything difficult.  This is often a problem with bright kids (particularly in a school system that pays more attention to helping the stragglers than to stretching the bright kids – not saying that the stragglers do not need help, but it can be very boring for the bright kids).

It is also a problem that some people are happy just to plod along, and run at 75% capacity all of the time; but other people (particularly boys – it is a gender thing) work better on adrenalin, and are capable of doing 100% for short bursts, and then need to shut down for a while, while the recover their energy.  No-one is ever capable of running at 100% capacity all of the time.



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Re: For or against the death penalty?
« Reply #81 on: 01/10/2006 19:15:43 »
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Yes exactly.  Every where I went, people whispered and giggled.  I had been very active in my church, and was a Sunday school teacher for the teenagers.  Almost the entire church community turned against me.  It broke my heart.  You would've thought I  had burned their homes down or something equally bad.  Of course, now they're real sweet.  You know the type, sugar wouldn't melt in their mouths.

Carolyn



I have to say that I find this disgraceful behaviour from any group of people (I am not even going to go into the hypocrisy of a church that preaches forgiveness and inclusion – and in Jesus's own words “let him who is without sin cast the first stone”).  But then, maybe it is an unfortunate aspect of human nature that he who preaches the loudest least follows their own doctrine – maybe one should listen more to the quiet voices to show by their actions and not by their load words.



George




Thanks George.  I thought the same thing.  

One day, when I had just about reached my breaking point, a minister that I had heard of but never met, called on me.  He called me and talked briefly and asked if he could come to my home.  I agreed.  He turned out to be a retired judge, before that he was a prosecuting attorney.  He listened to every aspect of what was going on and was very reassuring.  He prayed with my husband and with me.  Corky joining in was amazing in itself as he was livid with the religious community in their treatment of me.  When this minister left, I felt renewed in my faith.  For the first time in months I felt at peace.

I tried to stay at my church but could not handle the hypocrisy any longer, so I left it.  The church finally closed it's doors.  

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Re: For or against the death penalty?
« Reply #82 on: 02/10/2006 01:02:47 »
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Originally posted by Carolyn

Literature and Social Studies.  The only reason he doesn't have an A in both of these is because the little bugger is making an F in the homework portion of his grades.  He's making a C in algebra, but I know he's trying in that class and he's only a few points away from a b, so he has time to get his grade up before report cards come out.  I don't know about science yet, but he better be doing well in that too.




Bravo Bad A-- Betty!  LOL

Don't you think you are being a tad unreasonable. My mum used to try and push me all the time and i ended up going the opposite way to rebel against her. So what if he did'nt get A grades?



Hi Andy - I know I sound unreasonable here.  Yes a B is a good grade.  If it were the best he could do, then I would be satisfied. But it is way below his abilities.  The only reason he isn't making A's in these subjects is because he doesn't do his homework.  He has been reading since he was a 4 year old.  He loves to read.  He's one of the few boys his age (that I know) that reads for pleasure.  He just doesn't want to spend an hour an evening doing homework. He'd rather play his video games or be online.

His punishment isn't really about the B, it's about the F in his homework.  I couldn't tell you if his IQ is genius or not, but I do know his intelligence is well above average.   He has big dreams for his future and that includes college.  I consider it one of my most important jobs as his mom, to do everthing within my power to help him see his dreams come true.  I don't want him to look back in 10-15 years and have regrets about what he should've done with his education.

I appreciate your concern about me pushing him too far.  I worry about that as well, so I am careful to pay attention as to when to push and when to back off. Notice I didn't punish him about the C in algebra.  I know he's working hard to do better there.  And if I do push to hard, he's quick to remind me to back off, because he'll be the one picking out my nursing home.:D

Carolyn



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Re: For or against the death penalty?
« Reply #83 on: 02/10/2006 01:05:12 »
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Originally posted by Carolyn

Yes exactly.  Every where I went, people whispered and giggled.  I had been very active in my church, and was a Sunday school teacher for the teenagers.  Almost the entire church community turned against me.  It broke my heart.  You would've thought I  had burned their homes down or something equally bad.  Of course, now they're real sweet.  You know the type, sugar wouldn't melt in their mouths.

Carolyn



Hmmm, it is amazing how people can be...why kill their own, when they should embrace them and support them through this trial![V]

I have to say that I find this disgraceful behaviour from any group of people (I am not even going to go into the hypocrisy of a church that preaches forgiveness and inclusion – and in Jesus's own words “let him who is without sin cast the first stone”).  But then, maybe it is an unfortunate aspect of human nature that he who preaches the loudest least follows their own doctrine – maybe one should listen more to the quiet voices to show by their actions and not by their load words.



George




Thanks George.  I thought the same thing.  

One day, when I had just about reached my breaking point, a minister that I had heard of but never met, called on me.  He called me and talked briefly and asked if he could come to my home.  I agreed.  He turned out to be a retired judge, before that he was a prosecuting attorney.  He listened to every aspect of what was going on and was very reassuring.  He prayed with my husband and with me.  Corky joining in was amazing in itself as he was livid with the religious community in their treatment of me.  When this minister left, I felt renewed in my faith.  For the first time in months I felt at peace.

I tried to stay at my church but could not handle the hypocrisy any longer, so I left it.  The church finally closed it's doors.  

Carolyn



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