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Offline Drifty

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Were We Told the Truth about WW2?
« on: 08/02/2015 20:47:06 »
Listen to these two speeches of Hitler's.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Adolf+Hitler%3A+Explains+His+Reasons+For+Invading+The+Soviet+Union&sm=12 [nofollow]

Watch the above speech here without having to log in.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0a0_1301486247 [nofollow]


https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Adolf+Hitler%3A+Explains+Reasons+For+Invading+Poland&sm=12 [nofollow]

He may have been lyiing to the German people and soldiers but at least we know what they were thinking as the German army invaded Poland and Russia. Americans are taught that Hitler said to the German people, "We should invade eastern Europe to expand German territory" and the German people said, "Good idea, let's do it". The German people and soldiers believed (perhaps wrongly) they were righting old wrongs and defending their territory. That is one confirmed lie that the American government tells the American people. Does that make you a little suspicious? If there's one lie, there may be others.

Here's some more stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hitler%27s+War+-+What+the+Historians+Neglect+to+Mention&sm=12 [nofollow]
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hitler+Saved+Europe+From+Stalin&sm=12 [nofollow]
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Who+Started%EF%BB%BF+World+War+II%3F+by+Viktor+Suvorov&sm=12 [nofollow]
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Churchill%27s+War&sm=12 [nofollow]
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Mark+Weber+speaks+on+Hitler%27s+Place+in+History&sm=12 [nofollow]
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=David+Irving+-+The+Faking+of+Adolf+Hitler+for+History&sm=12 [nofollow]

This analysis of WW2 seems pretty objective.
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At the 1:03:50 time mark of this video we are told what Hitler's offer of peace to England was during the battle of Britain.
index=33&list=PLOKa3KUnt_R6hQSPh51vmjQ_BgDDWQzBz

Go back to the 57:25 time mark to see more details.


Here's the revisionist version of why the Germans didn't like the Jews.

This happened first.

An alternate look at WW1 & WW2 (p-1 of 4)


Watch all four parts.


Then this happened.
http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.se/2012/03/more-important-history-revealed-how.html [nofollow]

Then the Jews did this in retaliation.
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html [nofollow]
http://guardian.150m.com/jews/jews-declare-war.htm [nofollow]

This was happening while the above was happening.

Dr. Mark Weber: Adolf Hitler's German Economic Miracle



I haven't taken a firm stand on anything yet but it seems like what happened was quite different from what Americans are taught.


 

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about WW2?
« Reply #1 on: 08/02/2015 20:48:19 »
Here's some revisionist info I found about the Holocaust. 


At the 5:45 time mark of this video...
http://www.youtube.com/results...ers+Are+A+Myth&sm=12 [nofollow]

...it's said that the gas chamber doors were opened fifteen or twenty minutes after they were first closed and then they started dragging out the dead bodies.

According to this video that was an impossibility.
http://www.youtube.com/results...Gaz+FRA+avec+ENG+SUB [nofollow]

It's explained again in this video.

Tehran Holocaust Conference 2006: Prof. Robert Faurisson - Victories of Revisionism - part 2/2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne3nYJxU6SM [nofollow]

When a testimony contradicts science, the testimony is obviously bogus.
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1987 - David McCalden - Holocaust Revisionism for Beginners - Part 1 (EN)


http://vho.org/Intro/GB/Brochure.pdf [nofollow]
(excerpt)
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First of all, because of false representations by the media, it
is necessary that we first clarify what Holocaust Revisionism
does not maintain:
– it does not deny that Jews were persecuted under the Third
Reich;
– it does not deny that Jews were deprived of civil rights;
– it does not deny that Jews were deported;
– it does not deny the existence of Jewish ghettos;
– it does not deny the existence of concentration camps;
– it does not deny the existence of crematoriums in concentration camps;
– it does not deny that Jews died for a great number of
reasons;
– it does not deny that other minorities were also persecuted,
such as gypsies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, and
political dissenters;
– and finally, it does not deny that all the above mentioned
things were unjust.

None of these crimes of the National Socialist regime are
doubted by Holocaust revisionists. In the view of the Revisionists, however, all these injustices have nothing to do with the
Holocaust, which is defined as planned and organized mass
murder, carried out specifically in homicidal gas chambers (see
Question 4).
Holocaust revisionists believes the following to be correct:5
1. There was no National Socialist order for the physical extermination of Jews;6
2. Likewise, there was no National Socialist plan for physical extermination of Jews;
3. There was no German organization and no budget for carrying out the alleged extermination plan. Consider the
statement by the world-renowned Holocaust researcher
Prof. Raul Hilberg:7
»But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction
not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any
agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget
for destructive measures [of the Juden]. They [the measures]were taken step by step. Thus came about not so much
a plan being carried out but an incredible meeting of
minds, a consensus mind-reading by a far-flung [German] bureaucracy.«;
4. In detailed investigations of former German concentration
camps, expert researchers have established: The internment camps had no sophisticated methods for mass murder, in particular no homicidal gas chambers.8
Furthermore, the reports of mass shootings behind the GermanRussian front were greatly exaggerated and taken out of
context;9
5. There were neither adequate industrial facilities nor sufficient fuel to cremate such a huge number of corpses. In
fact, the capacity of the crematories was barely sufficient
to cremate the bodies of those who died from starvation
and epidemics.10
6. There is no documentation for the existence of homicidal
gas chambers,11 and no material traces of alleged mass
murders.12 All ‘proof’ relies on eyewitness accounts only,
whose unreliability is widely acknowledged.13
7. Despite massive observation by spies and resistance
groups in areas in the near vicinity of the German concentration camps, all of Germany’s wartime enemies conducted themselves as if no exterminations of Jews were
taking place. The charges of genocide were not raised until after Germany’s defeat, when there was no German
government to dispute them.14
8. Statistical investigations of living Jews worldwide show
clearly that the losses of this ethnic group during the Second World War were nowhere near six million. The exact
number is probably well under half a million.15
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Here's some more stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/results...olocaust+Myths&sm=12 [nofollow]
http://www.youtube.com/results...ers+Are+A+Myth&sm=12 [nofollow]
http://www.youtube.com/results...%BF+HOLOCAUST+&sm=12 [nofollow]
http://www.youtube.com/results...rayal+Of+Evil+&sm=12 [nofollow]
http://www.youtube.com/results...on+Germany%22+&sm=12 [nofollow]
http://www.youtube.com/results...Williams+Show+&sm=12 [nofollow]
http://www.youtube.com/results...ichael+Shermer&sm=12 [nofollow]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4nY6T46aGA [nofollow]
http://www.youtube.com/results...+David+Cole%22&sm=12 [nofollow]
http://www.youtube.com/results...s+Stupid%3F%22&sm=12 [nofollow]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtlPlZGvgY0 [nofollow]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j30sWIOMIak [nofollow]
http://forum.codoh.com/viewforum.php?f=2 [nofollow]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...E0MVIdW0bOrc4nfiZd6g [nofollow]
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_lampshades [nofollow]
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/soap.shtml [nofollow]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN4P-YGRbOs [nofollow]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPibi1ozd50 [nofollow]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...t=PL57CF031B7D887289 [nofollow]
http://ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking.shtml [nofollow]
The Realist Report: How the "Holocaust" was faked
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http://nazigassings.com/ [nofollow]
(excerpt)
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There are NO photographs of corpses of Nazi gassing victims. The cheap, dirty trick which really makes the hoax succeed is the wilful misuse of pictures of countless sick and dead in the camps at the end of the war—none of which are of people killed in gas chambers—but which are repeatedly shown to give the false impression that millions of people must have been murdered in gas chambers. There really is no direct connection--but for the more than gullible masses, the connection is “undeniable.” The people who show those pictures are all in on the trick. They all know perfectly well that the pictures are of people who died of other causes such as typhus—but they use the pictures anyway for their powerful psychological effect to precondition their audience for the gassing and mass extermination pitch which inevitably follows. The pictures are irrelevant except for their enormous shock value. Pictures of countless healthy prisoners in the same camps are generally not shown for reasons that are all too obvious. This delibeerate misuse of photographs is rather widespread and illustrates the collective eagerness of many people (the “hoaxers“ or co-conspirators in the hoax), especially in the American media, to throw whatever they can find against the Nazis, SS and Germans generally just like spiteful children. They want to believe in the hoax.
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http://vho.org/Intro/GB/Brochure.pdf [nofollow]

More good info here....
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?board=65.0 [nofollow]
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?board=28.0 [nofollow]



I have to admit that the revisionists make a good case.
 

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about WW2?
« Reply #2 on: 09/02/2015 22:57:15 »
All the revisionists in the world count as nothing compared with the statements of those nazis who were proud of what they did.

No apologist has produced any of my German relatives alive and well.

A few years ago I sat in a progress meeting on a new clinic, with engineers, scientists, doctors, bankers and builders. The architect opened the meeting by saying that he had just returned from a visit to Auschwitz "....and it was designed, built and operated by people just like us". 

The banality of evil is nothing new, and not confined to one generation of Germans. They were just rather better organised than most others, and very proud of it.
 

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about WW2?
« Reply #3 on: 10/02/2015 00:07:30 »

Holocaust revisionists believes the following to be correct:5
1. There was no National Socialist order for the physical extermination of Jews;6
2. Likewise, there was no National Socialist plan for physical extermination of Jews;
3. There was no German organization and no budget for carrying out the alleged extermination plan.

I guess the gas chambers just sprang up all by themselves. I guess nobody designed them or financed them as well. I guess all 6 million just died of old age and no organized effort was initiated to complete the task. It was all just a tragic accident when the Jews accidently stumbled into the chambers and another accident when the gas was introduced.

If you really believe this all occurred just by accident, I have a bridge to sell you and the price is quite right.

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about WW2?
« Reply #4 on: 10/02/2015 13:33:03 »
You people don't seem to have even looked at the info.
 

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about WW2?
« Reply #5 on: 10/02/2015 16:57:21 »
You people don't seem to have even looked at the info.
Yes we have, and it doesn't stack up.
What really puzzles me is why people who support holocaust denying also support many other conspiricy theories.
From an ideological point of view I can understand that Einstein was a Jew therefore modern physics is rubbish, this also aligns with the Nazi tirades against what they called Jewish Physics. I can also see that because a high proportion of Jews worked on the  Manhattan Project that HDs might believe the A Bomb must be a hoax. I know NASA had a Jewish director, but come on guys get over it. Why apologise for the actions of Islamic extremists? Eg 9/11,  I know it aligns with Hitler's views that Islam was a common enemy of the Jews. Unfortunately this rot has moved to the UK where a website claims that the murderers of Fusilier Rigby were set up by M15 - that website is awash with HD and anti jewish articles.
On the other hand, recent research into the psychology of conspiracy believers shows personality flaws that could easily be shared by HDs. Is it worth arguing with either group? Well when ideology becomes closer to a religion, no. This is a science site not a politics or religious discussion group.
There are many countries where expressing the views you have would lead to your arrest and disappearance. Do you think a Neo Nazi state would allow you that freedom? Having spoken to people who lived near Dachau during the war, you would be in fear of your, and your families life if you said anything.


 

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about WW2?
« Reply #6 on: 10/02/2015 17:42:10 »
You people don't seem to have even looked at the info.
Yes we have, and it doesn't stack up.

Agreed........................and bravo for an excellent rebuff!
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about WW2?
« Reply #7 on: 10/02/2015 18:54:55 »
These two videos pretty much explain the revisionists' position.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Auschwitz+-+Why+The+Gas+Chambers+Are+A+Myth&sm=12 [nofollow]
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ONE+THIRD+of+the%EF%BB%BF+HOLOCAUST+&sm=12 [nofollow]

Have you taken the time to watch them?
 

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