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#### aetzbar

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##### physical theory of sophisticated lines
« on: 13/02/2015 16:57:53 »
Physical theory of the Sophisticated lines........ 1

Line is the basic concept of geometry
Line has two date – physical length and form.
Physical length is measured ,for  example 12mm   , 45m
And the form ? just look at the line, and find its form.

One simple line and endless sophisticated lines
The top line is a simple line with unique – uniform.
Under the simple line appears  sophisticated  lines.
Each sophisticated line has a unique – uniform causes it to close and contains area.

The amazing connection between form and length
sophisticated line unique-uniform ,determines his maximum length that appear
in closed condition. (this maximum length will be  marked with the letter  O )
O varies from zero to infinity mm, and each O has a unique-uniform.

Internal number
sophisticated  line can add a simple line which divides the area into two equal parts         The length of this simple line, will marked with the letter  A.                                        From A  and  O received  internal number I………………….…I =  O : A

The first hypothesis of sophisticated lines
Each  O  has a unique internal number, between 3.1416 to  3.164
3.1416  will belong to   infinite mm O    3.164 will belong to zero mm O

Sophisticated lines belong to  Physics -  not to Mathematics
There is no simple line segments, in sophisticated lines.
Therefore, it is impossible to apply on them, mathematical calculations. based on the Pythagorean theorem. Remaining option is to apply measures on them. Measurements can be done on a real sophisticated lines.

Real sophisticated lines appear in the production of steel  cylinders.
A of steel  cylinder can be measured accurately to 0.0005mm.
O of steel cylinder  can not be accurately measured. Therefore the investigation of
sophisticated lines ,will deal the connection between A  and  I .
Each  A  has a unique internal number, between 3.1416 to  3.164
3.1416  will belong to   infinite mm A         3.164 will belong to zero mm A

#### PmbPhy

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##### Re: physical theory of sophisticated lines
« Reply #1 on: 14/02/2015 07:32:08 »
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Line is the basic concept of geometry
That's incorrect. A line is defined in terms of other more basic geometrical concepts such as a point and the concept of between and straight. Therefore the line is not a basic concept but a derived concept.

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There are several more. E.g. a point is also
Line has two date – physical length and form.
What does "two date" mean? What do you mean by the "form" of a line?

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And the form ? just look at the line, and find its form.
That makes no sense. It doesn't tell us what form is. You can't define something merely by saying "look at it".

Sorry but all of this is nonsense. Nothing more but a word salad.

#### aetzbar

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##### Re: physical theory of sophisticated lines
« Reply #2 on: 14/02/2015 13:35:19 »
line drawn with a ruler ,has a unique-uniform ( simple line)
line drawn with a compass,has a unique-uniform.(sophisticated line)
there is a single simple line,and infinite sophisticated lines.
Each sophisticated line has a unique-uniform.

So,each line has length (mm) and form.
point has no length, and no form.

#### aetzbar

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##### Re: physical theory of sophisticated lines
« Reply #3 on: 14/02/2015 14:23:33 »
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#### aetzbar

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##### Re: physical theory of sophisticated lines
« Reply #4 on: 14/02/2015 14:45:25 »
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#### PmbPhy

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##### Re: physical theory of sophisticated lines
« Reply #5 on: 16/02/2015 01:21:05 »
line drawn with a ruler ,has a unique-uniform ( simple line)
line drawn with a compass,has a unique-uniform.(sophisticated line)
there is a single simple line,and infinite sophisticated lines.
Each sophisticated line has a unique-uniform.

So,each line has length (mm) and form.
point has no length, and no form.

#### aetzbar

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##### Re: physical theory of sophisticated lines
« Reply #6 on: 16/02/2015 01:56:28 »
I try to prove that pi is not a single number.

#### Colin2B

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##### Re: physical theory of sophisticated lines
« Reply #7 on: 16/02/2015 16:14:16 »
I try to prove that pi is not a single number.
What do you mean by a single number.
Do you mean there is more than one value for pi? Or do you mean that the number of decimal places for pi is indeterminate or infinite?

I don't understand your diagrams. You have chosen mm as your vertical axis, this is an artificial unit of measure not a defined mathematical number. You have not shown how you have derived the numbers on the horizontal axis.
I think you are confusing yourself with imprecise words and sophistry.
I think I understand what you might mean with lines, but we already have terms for a simple line=straight line, and sophisticated line=curve. It would help if you used these standard terms so we could understand what you are trying to say.

#### aetzbar

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##### Re: physical theory of sophisticated lines
« Reply #8 on: 16/02/2015 19:42:45 »

The amazing connection between form and length
sophisticated line unique-uniform ,determines his maximum length that appear
in closed condition. (this maximum length will be  marked with the letter  O )
O varies from zero to infinity mm, and each O has a unique-uniform.

( A1: A2 ) > ( O1 : O2 )   ?
( A1: A2 ) < ( O1 : O2 )   ?
( A1: A2 ) = ( O1 : O2 )   ?

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##### Re: physical theory of sophisticated lines
« Reply #9 on: 16/02/2015 22:24:28 »

The amazing connection between form and length
sophisticated line unique-uniform ,determines his maximum length that appear
in closed condition. (this maximum length will be  marked with the letter  O )
O varies from zero to infinity mm, and each O has a unique-uniform.

( A1: A2 ) > ( O1 : O2 )   ?
( A1: A2 ) < ( O1 : O2 )   ?
( A1: A2 ) = ( O1 : O2 )   ?
As the dragons say "I'm out"

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##### Re: physical theory of sophisticated lines
« Reply #10 on: 17/02/2015 06:31:49 »
Fundamental problem here: a Euclidean circle is not a line, it is a locus.

You can define a line in any number of dimensions as the minimum connector of two points. A circle does not connect points minimally except on the surface of a cylinder (and then only in a special case) or a sphere.

Aetzbar's inability to measure the circumference of a cylinder to better than ±1% is the result of rubbish engineering, not brilliant mathematics.

#### aetzbar

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##### Re: physical theory of sophisticated lines
« Reply #11 on: 18/02/2015 00:44:41 »
Sophisticated lines law
sophisticated line unique-uniform ,determines his maximum physical  length that appear
in closed condition. (this maximum physical  length will be  marked with the letter  O )
physical length is presented with number of mm
Therefor, the mathematics do not know to handle sophyisticated lines.
Sophisticated lines belong to  Physics -  not to Mathematics

#### aetzbar

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##### The new formula
« Reply #12 on: 22/02/2015 00:43:34 »

Dmm = 3*10-7 : (pi of D – pi min)2
D – diameter of circule in mm
Pi min = 3.14159…
Pi of D – from pi min up to 3.1589

#### PmbPhy

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##### Re: physical theory of sophisticated lines
« Reply #13 on: 22/02/2015 02:14:16 »
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Physical theory of the Sophisticated lines........ 1
What is a Sophisticated line?

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Line is the basic concept of geometry
That is incorrect. The basic concept is the point.

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Line has two date – physical length and form.
What does "two date" mean?

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Physical length is measured ,for  example 12mm   , 45m
And the form ? just look at the line, and find its form.
That's not how physics works. In order to "look at the line" we first have to have a line to look at. How is one supposed to determine whether what they have is a line or not?

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One simple line and endless sophisticated lines
Meaningless until you define what "sophisticated lines" is defined.

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The top line...
What is a "top line"?

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Sorry, .but there are far too many questions that must be answered before we can continue this. It'd be much better if you studied geometry before you posted on this subject again.

#### aetzbar

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##### look at the end result of the article - pi is not a single number
« Reply #14 on: 22/02/2015 04:55:32 »

Dmm = 3*10-7 : (pi of D – pi min)2

D – diameter of circule in mm
Pi min = 3.14159…
Pi of D – from pi min up to 3.1589

#### PmbPhy

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##### Re: look at the end result of the article - pi is not a single number
« Reply #15 on: 22/02/2015 07:08:12 »

Dmm = 3*10-7 : (pi of D – pi min)2

D – diameter of circule in mm
Pi min = 3.14159…
Pi of D – from pi min up to 3.1589
Why do you keep posting these things. Without context they're absolutely meaningless. Since you've so far refused or been able to clarify all these nonsense you've been posting I can't see a reason to continue with this thread.

#### aetzbar

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##### This is a great geometric revolution since the Greeks, no wonder it is hard to
« Reply #16 on: 22/02/2015 15:28:05 »
understand it.
The new formula of the circles ,tells wohle story.

The new formula of circles – pi is not a single number

Dmm = 3*10-7 : (pi of D – pi min)2

D – diameter of circle in mm
Pi min = 3.14159…….  = 3.1416
Pi of D – from pi min up to 3.1416

#### aetzbar

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##### Dmm = 0.0000003 : (pi of D - pi min ) ^2
« Reply #17 on: 22/02/2015 15:34:57 »
The new formula of circles – pi is not a single number

Dmm = 0.0000003 : (pi of D – pi min)2

D – diameter of circle in mm
Pi min = 3.14159…….  = 3.1416
Pi of D – from pi min up to 3.1416

#### aetzbar

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##### Dmm = 0.0000003 : ( pi of D - pi min ) ^2
« Reply #18 on: 22/02/2015 15:52:50 »
The new formula of circles – pi is not a single number

Dmm =  0.0000003 : (pi of D – pi min) ^2

D – diameter of circle in mm
Pi min = 3.14159…….  = 3.1416
Pi of D – from pi min up to 3.1589

#### aetzbar

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##### The new formula of circles with variable pi effect
« Reply #19 on: 23/02/2015 13:12:43 »

The new formula of circles with variable pi effect

Physical D = 0.0000003 : (pi of D  -  pi min )^2

Physical D is physical length of circle diameter.
Physical length will be marked with number of mm

Pi min = 3.14159……= 3.1416
Pi of D variable from 3.1416 to 3.1589

When pi of D = 3.1416 ,   D = infinite  mm
When pi of D = 3.1589 ,   D = 0.001mm
When pi of D = 3.14161 ,  D = 3000mm

#### PmbPhy

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##### Re: This is a great geometric revolution since the Greeks, no wonder it is hard to
« Reply #20 on: 23/02/2015 15:29:47 »
More meaningless drivel and you can't even answer a simple question, huh?

#### aetzbar

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##### Re: physical theory of sophisticated lines
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