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Offline Yahya A. Sharif

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The theory of gravitational negative mass field
« on: 18/02/2015 06:52:21 »
The positive mass is how much matter there is and the negative mass is how much energy disappeared from vacuum to form mass , it is possible to have negative energy  , in relativity energy comes  out of mass by the square of speed of light increment here I would like to present the equation in opposite direction i.e  huge energy produces little mass by the reciprocal of the square of the speed of light factor , by the idea that mass was  obtained  by making huge work,  then the same energy is released by the same equation.
by the argument above when mass was made by  work done , something left which is the negative mass quantity, it is the same as when collecting heat energy from a place cold occurs there , because at first energy came from nothing to be as a certain quantity in the whole universe , as thermodynamics first law states that we have a specific a mount of energy in the universe nothing disappears nothing will be created.
the negative mass equals the positive one in magnitude without the negative sign, the gravity field is the  amount of negative mass  differs in density from the center which it is at its highest density to zero at infinity , the density of negative mass is mass divided by the spherical area:
ρ=  mass/(4π*r*r) , k.g/m*m
where( r) is the distance between the center of the spherical  mass   to the surface to measure density at.  when many particles gather they multiply the density by the same amount of the masses together.
the vacuum is zero mass , positive mass is attracted to area of negative mass to fulfill it, for instance masses on earth   move from less   area density to high area density , from above earth surface to its surface to its center this is the gravitational force which is directly proportional to the density of negative mass:
F=k*ρ*m   newtons
where k is a constant.
to obtain  k:
g= 9.8 m/s*s ,   g= k*ρ
ρ= 6*10E24/ (4π*6378000*6378000)= 1.17E10. k.g/m*m
k=g/ρ = 8.34E-10
 

 when I say:
negative mass is how much energy disappeared from vacuum to form mass
I mean energy was not reduced , instead it disappeared , this gives two questions   :
what was first , energy or matter?
​will the concept of energy disappearance be valid?
 
regardless of  religious  concepts I think energy first exists, and then it transformed into matter, a philosophical argument my be:
every mass is energy and not every energy is mass, i.e energy exists in different ways, and it can be changed into different forms this characteristic   makes it capable to change into mass , however mass exists in one form an atom.
and in order to change into mass it should disappear , another philosophical argument may be:
if mass when it changed into matter did not disappear, then when we release the energy contained in the matter we will have double amount of energy, and energy can not be created , so it should disappear. perhaps this concept is valid in energy transformations , it disappears in a form and appears in another form, the same for a particle  when it moves between two positions A and B , it disappears in position A and appears in position B. so if mass disappears in position A and did not appears in position B it will transform into energy, when energy disappears from a particular form and did not appear in another form it will change into matter.
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Re: The theory of gravitational negative mass field
« Reply #1 on: 20/02/2015 18:22:29 »
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The positive mass is how much matter there is and the negative mass is how much energy disappeared from vacuum to form mass , ..
I see no reason to assume that this is true. When we have a simple gravitating body with a given (positive) mass it doesn't mean that's how much energy appeared from the vacuum to form mass. Merely "appearing" out of nowhere is a violation of the principle of the conservation of energy. When mass forms a body it comes from somewhere. It doesn't simply appear but is moved into position in one way or another.
 

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Re: The theory of gravitational negative mass field
« Reply #2 on: 19/05/2015 09:06:15 »
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The positive mass is how much matter there is and the negative mass is how much energy disappeared from vacuum to form mass , ..
I see no reason to assume that this is true. When we have a simple gravitating body with a given (positive) mass it doesn't mean that's how much energy appeared from the vacuum to form mass. Merely "appearing" out of nowhere is a violation of the principle of the conservation of energy. When mass forms a body it comes from somewhere. It doesn't simply appear but is moved into position in one way or another.
no violation for law of conservation of energy. the energy ON THE UNIVERSE  will never disappear, however this energy first came from nothing, if we thought about something that it exists the  intuitive thing is to think about it coming from nothing , also the universe has a particular age before this particular age nothing existed.
 

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Re: The theory of gravitational negative mass field
« Reply #3 on: 05/06/2015 07:58:05 »
I have just posted a theory on how to achieve this concept of sorts. Except mine shows how you could have everything in a mass effect field, have a negative mass.

My theory is near the top. [Dark matter extraction and FTL use.
 

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Re: The theory of gravitational negative mass field
« Reply #4 on: 08/06/2015 12:39:46 »
   Think about this. Negative mass is really mirror image mass and not inverted mass. If mirror image mass is brought near regular mass they destroy each other into photonic energy. We are really looking at antimatter which is produced by photonic energy.
  Negative gravity exists since matter and antimatter repel gravitationally. This permits them to coexist in the same universe. in any event if you invert your mass and then loo at it, it will be like looking at an inverted image in a magnifying glass. In one universe the laws match our laws. In the inverted universe the laws there match our universe. Therefore it could be argued that your inverted universe is another possibility for the antimatter universe. All you have to go through is a black hole to get to the mirror image or inverted universe. Yet except for the inversion, the laws of physics would be identical.
 

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Re: The theory of gravitational negative mass field
« Reply #5 on: 29/07/2015 14:06:40 »
the law of conservation of energy states that the energy will not disappear , matter can be energy and energy can be matter , however energy itself is a property of matter , think of some energy part of it made matter and part gave it motion , while we think of energy as matter and also a property of matter, we think in the conversion from energy to matter as a unique conversion that makes matter and also giving it some energetic properties , which is the field, the field is a energetic property , it appears as permanent in gravity because the energy is contained and ready to be released at any moment , some energy sources can produce magnetic and electric field these fields are stronger than the gravitational field because in gravity it is some kind of trace for the conversion from energy to matter ,  magnetic field is a full participation of energy in forming the field, when we speak about negative mass , it has a relation with the energy forming the mass, the energy has a relation with the mass itself , that why we can calculate the strength of energy, amount of mass and gravitational force with different constans, they all related to each other in equation with different constants, the strength of the gravitational force increases by the increment in field density , as we move away from the mass the force decreases because the density of the negative mass decreases, also the negative mass can not be separated from the mass itself , the mass is positive and the field is negative , they have huge attraction, what about mass vs mass? what if we put mass close to mass they will not repel each other over distance because mass is contained in its space , there is not mass  between the two masses , however if they contact they will repel , however with a constant force because there is not distance factor. that why every objects touch each other will not overlap through each other, their atoms will not overlap through each other.
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Re: The theory of gravitational negative mass field
« Reply #6 on: 29/07/2015 16:07:15 »
 Motion and mass are they two forms of the same thing?
 

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Re: The theory of gravitational negative mass field
« Reply #7 on: 02/08/2015 06:18:54 »
I would like to ask, if we thought of field as negative mass having a particular amount at the surface of mass and having a zero quantity at infinity ,  is it possible to collect this negative mass from infinity to the positive mass using calculus,  supposing that the amount of negative mass decreases until it is zero at infinity ?
 

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