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Does anyone experience pain....
« on: 30/09/2006 22:45:25 »
Okay, weird subject line....but I have a question. Men are welcome to answer too....but do any of you women ever experience sharp pain in any of your breasts?  I have an issue with one lately....but do not want mamo procedure as I don't want radiation put in my body....or if there is a new procedure, let me know???  I haven't heard of such, but will use an alternative method to see inside the tissue if possible...

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« Reply #1 on: 30/09/2006 23:42:00 »
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Okay, weird subject line....but I have a question. Men are welcome to answer too....but do any of you women ever experience sharp pain in any of your breasts?  I have an issue with one lately....but do not want mamo procedure as I don't want radiation put in my body....or if there is a new procedure, let me know???  I haven't heard of such, but will use an alternative method to see inside the tissue if possible...

"Just Me, Lo" Loretta



Can't say much about the pain (other than to be concerned for your health, but clearly you are also aware of the possible risks).

We are all exposed to radiation all of the time, so I do not see that very low level radiation will make a significant difference in the risk we take every day.

There are other ways of looking at the breast, although they are generally less common, and I do not know how well they do the job.

Clearly, the most obvious is ultrasound, but I am not at all sure if that will pick up a tumour (a very large solid tumour will probably be detected, but I would guess it will have to be significantly more advanced than the level of tumour that X-rays will detect – and a CT scan would be more sensitive yet).

The other two imaging technologies that might be able to detect tumours, but I do not know how well or how available they are, is MRI, and infra-red imaging (which can possibly detect changes in the vascular system if the tumour is fairly close to the surface).



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Re: Does anyone experience pain....
« Reply #2 on: 01/10/2006 00:56:51 »
Loretta - how often has this happened.  Please don't take any chances, go see the doctor asap.  It could be something simple, please just go.

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Re: Does anyone experience pain....
« Reply #3 on: 01/10/2006 01:27:21 »
Can't say much about the pain (other than to be concerned for your health, but clearly you are also aware of the possible risks).

We are all exposed to radiation all of the time, so I do not see that very low level radiation will make a significant difference in the risk we take every day.

So true George, but I have a doctor who is a friend of mine who recommends women should not use it as it is direct skin contact through tissues...I have to agree with this.  Indirect is different..if it is not, please expound a bit on it...?



There are other ways of looking at the breast, although they are generally less common, and I do not know how well they do the job.

I agree with this, I remember reading something, but tossed it ???  Will research this further...

Clearly, the most obvious is ultrasound, but I am not at all sure if that will pick up a tumour (a very large solid tumour will probably be detected, but I would guess it will have to be significantly more advanced than the level of tumour that X-rays will detect – and a CT scan would be more sensitive yet).

Yes, ultrasound is a nice source, but I know it to be used for organs, etc...I don't think if there is a tumour it is large, but, I know there are dieseases that are not picked up for years on women with their breasts...

The other two imaging technologies that might be able to detect tumours, but I do not know how well or how available they are, is MRI, and infra-red imaging (which can possibly detect changes in the vascular system if the tumour is fairly close to the surface).

I know about MRI, but mostly used here for bones and organs..hmmm, maybe breasts...?  I will check with my doctor and my friend who is nearly unreachable most of the time...aagghh

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Re: Does anyone experience pain....
« Reply #4 on: 01/10/2006 01:29:10 »
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Loretta - how often has this happened.  Please don't take any chances, go see the doctor asap.  It could be something simple, please just go.

Carolyn



Everyday for the past 2 weeks...my mind automatically goes into denial mode and today it has to stop...I will see my old doctor and see what she thinks...I have never thought much about it but it is intermittently, not constant pain...but have notice that the breasts seem to be much fuller too, but both of them?

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Re: Does anyone experience pain....
« Reply #5 on: 01/10/2006 01:39:49 »
I don’t thing that it is anything serious.
Many people (man and women) on some point in life experience sudden sharp pain in the breast, lasting a few second.
It can happen a few times a day or a few times a week.
Causes are stress and physical exhaustion.

Presence of this type of pain is usually mistaken for heart attack by male and by female for sign of breast cancer. In reality, it is nothing serious.
 

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« Reply #6 on: 01/10/2006 02:39:24 »
Loretta when I gained weight my breasts became much heavier and this also was a cause for the type of pain you are describing. I was very worried and had the mamagram..It was worth the risk and not painful like I thought! After loosing this huge amount of weight, my breasts have felt much better and have alot less pain then they did before.. I have always been large buted, DD cup my whole life, so even when I loose the weight I am very top heavy so have known that for along time.. but excess weight can really cause breast pain!! Not constant but intermittant like you described.. Go get checked anyway friend .. You are worth it! We don't want to loose you!

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Re: Does anyone experience pain....
« Reply #7 on: 01/10/2006 03:14:05 »
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Originally posted by GBSB

I don’t thing that it is anything serious.
Many people (man and women) on some point in life experience sudden sharp pain in the breast, lasting a few second.
It can happen a few times a day or a few times a week.
Causes are stress and physical exhaustion.

Presence of this type of pain is usually mistaken for heart attack by male and by female for sign of breast cancer. In reality, it is nothing serious.




I agree with you on stress...it is related to 80 percent of office visits to physicians..but this is throughout the day, in the same place, for two weeks consistently, in the same spot, and I am fighting denial in my mind everyday..thinking it is nothing really bad...

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Re: Does anyone experience pain....
« Reply #8 on: 01/10/2006 03:18:28 »
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Loretta when I gained weight my breasts became much heavier and this also was a cause for the type of pain you are describing. I was very worried and had the mamagram..It was worth the risk and not painful like I thought! After loosing this huge amount of weight, my breasts have felt much better and have alot less pain then they did before.. I have always been large buted, DD cup my whole life, so even when I loose the weight I am very top heavy so have known that for along time.. but excess weight can really cause breast pain!! Not constant but intermittant like you described.. Go get checked anyway friend .. You are worth it! We don't want to loose you!

Karen



I wouldn't have mentioned it, but I know it has been daily...so that is why I asked thinking some of you women or doctors would know something about it being normal..read upon some sites thank you George!!!  I have learned some interesting alternative ways to deal with it...cabbage leaves for covering of course, iodine, mineral oil, primrose oil, barroge, black current oil, bind myself up in bandages...and this should take care of the swelling and pain!  Voila!  What do you think?;)  I think I will be fine...I think I am just in a panic mode as it is like a sharp needle like pain

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Re: Does anyone experience pain....
« Reply #9 on: 01/10/2006 05:08:58 »
Loretta Go to the Doctor don't wait two more weeks, just go!!

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Re: Does anyone experience pain....
« Reply #10 on: 01/10/2006 05:38:23 »
hmmmm, Let me look into this...I will call the doctor and call my friend continuously...hehe

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Re: Does anyone experience pain....
« Reply #11 on: 01/10/2006 07:01:42 »
It's probably something minor, but have it checked just in case.. Sharp stabbing pains are not good, and they are in the same spot... Is there any redness? You said they are a bit swollen right! Maybe a hormonal thing maybe not... have it checked... You do it!

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« Reply #12 on: 01/10/2006 11:10:05 »
Lo, please check your e-mail.

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« Reply #13 on: 01/10/2006 13:20:25 »
Okay, no redness, searched for that too...no spots, no outside soreness, no lump, nothing unusual looking or feeling.  I read most of the night...no one mentioned sharp stabbing pain...I have it day and night...I don't feel it when I am asleep...on the scale of 1-10 of pain, I would say a tolerable 6...but it is a mite uncomfortable during the day...the main caffeine I consume is not by drink as I am not much of a soda person unless I am at a high stress level and must have a coke or a pepsi...(I had one the other day with my deadline for marketing)but i do consume chocolate about 1-3 times a week...I still cannot get a hold of my friend who deals with women in this area...(darn doctors!)I called my girlfriend who just got married not too long ago, as she is not a specialist but an general MD.  She seemed to be concerned a bit...states I definitely should have it checked out...She states she wouldn't be concerned if it was every other day or just once in a while but not throughout the day or night...crudola!  I am calling my doctor tomorrow...geez...

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« Reply #14 on: 01/10/2006 23:45:25 »
RE: X-Rays and radiation
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We are all exposed to radiation all of the time, so I do not see that very low level radiation will make a significant difference in the risk we take every day.

So true George, but I have a doctor who is a friend of mine who recommends women should not use it as it is direct skin contact through tissues...I have to agree with this.  Indirect is different..if it is not, please expound a bit on it...?

There is some argument against regular X-rays that annual exposure to X-ray radiation carries an incremental risk that has to be offset against the very slight probability that in any one year it may actually detect a tumour.
The risk of a single X-ray, particularly where there are other indications of risk, will rebalance that balance of risks, as the single X-ray is less risk than repeated X-rays, and the expectations of detecting a tumour are slightly higher because of the other symptoms.
quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by another_someone
The other two imaging technologies that might be able to detect tumours, but I do not know how well or how available they are, is MRI, and infra-red imaging (which can possibly detect changes in the vascular system if the tumour is fairly close to the surface)

I know about MRI, but mostly used here for bones and organs..hmmm, maybe breasts...?  I will check with my doctor and my friend who is nearly unreachable most of the time...aagghh



Actually, MRI is very good for soft tissue – in particular, it tends to display blood flow quite well, which is why they use it to investigate brain function, since they use it to identify which parts of the brain receive increased blood flow, and from that (probably a little simplistically) try and deduce which parts of the brain are heightened in level of function during different experiments.

http://www.i-c-m.org.uk/Journal/2004/feb/002.htm
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How does Thermography work?


All objects with a temperature above absolute zero emit infrared radiation from their surface. Measurements of infrared radiation emitted by the skin can be converted directly into accurate temperature values and a law of physics called the Stefan-Boltzmann Law defines this relationship. Human skin emits infrared radiation mainly in the 2 - 20 micron wavelength range, with an average peak at 9-10 microns. State-of-the-art infrared radiation detection systems utilise ultra-sensitive infrared cameras and sophisticated computers to detect, analyze, and produce high-resolution diagnostic images of these infrared emissions. The problems encountered with first-generation infrared camera systems (such as improper detector sensitivity, thermal drift, calibration, analogue interface, etc) have been solved for almost two decades. The strict environmental control that is essential whilst performing a thermal image, eg. 1 degree C of change during the examination, is necessary to produce a physiologically neutral image free from artefact.  
Breast thermography, therefore, is a clinical diagnostic procedure, which uses highly specialised infrared cameras to measure the heat coming from the body, in this case, the breast. Thermography as a test of physiology is not capable of, and will never be, capable of detecting breast cancer. Anatomical testing, such as mammography, can also not detect breast cancer. Both procedures demonstrate abnormalities indicating the possibility of the presence of cancer, as well as a host of other breast conditions. These clinical findings require differential diagnosis. Only laboratory confirmation of abnormal cell morphology can make the correct diagnosis of cancer.
Thermography of the human breast is not a stand-alone tool as some have suggested in the screening and diagnosis of breast cancer; it is adjunctive. We cannot ignore thermography's tremendous role as an early risk indicator or as a monitor for treatment. In this way changes in tumour angiogenesis can be evaluated and other procedures can be performed to aid in the earliest possible diagnosis. The procedure is non-ionising and safe and there is no reason to simply "wait and see" any longer.

Another advantage that I believe that breast thermography has over breast X-rays is that I believe it is not particularly comfortable having the breasts squeezed between the plat plates that form the X-ray unit, whereas I believe the thermography does not require the breasts to be squeezed between plates, but are comfortably left free of any direct contact with the equipment; and ofcourse, it is not invasive, there is no energy (X-ray or acoustic or magnetic and radio – the last being part of the MRI process) that is projected into the breasts.



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Re: Does anyone experience pain....
« Reply #15 on: 02/10/2006 00:48:10 »
Yes heat imaging...makes sense to me...or rather I am senseless today...LOL  Having too much fun and have to end it by going to work tonight...blahhhhh

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« Reply #16 on: 02/10/2006 04:00:04 »
Bye Loretta have a good one!

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« Reply #17 on: 02/10/2006 04:28:19 »
okay, you too!

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« Reply #18 on: 02/10/2006 10:49:39 »
Did you make an appointment?

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« Reply #19 on: 02/10/2006 12:37:38 »
Doctor's office is not open until 9am...I promise to call...I only talked to Robin who told me to skiddaddle and get in doctor's office...geez, she put the fear of God in me.

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« Reply #20 on: 02/10/2006 19:22:10 »
It must be gone 9am in your neck of the woods by now. Did you make an appointment? You must realise that we're all going to keep on nagging you until you do!

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« Reply #21 on: 03/10/2006 00:22:08 »
Ok Miss Loretta, it's now 6:27 in your neck of the woods.  Did you make an appointment?  Well?  Did ya?

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« Reply #22 on: 03/10/2006 01:05:41 »
yes, i made appt and seen doctor...we came to an agreement with the "M" as he has records of giving me papers to go and get one done...and he chuckled when he discovered I have not done it of course...of course, he gave me a new sleeping medicine...which we kinda discussed this too...bless his heart...hehe  I will go in January for mammogram...we agreed 5 years is enough as I started out with no!

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« Reply #23 on: 03/10/2006 01:48:54 »
So are you still in pain?  Do you have to put up with pain for another 3 months?

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« Reply #24 on: 03/10/2006 02:57:05 »
No, I feel great today. I am fine really

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