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Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« on: 10/03/2015 20:51:10 »
Please offer any scientifically accepted, or even plausible, concepts that may addresses this very realistic scenario:

Axiom is a proposition that is assumed without proof for the sake of studying the consequences that follows from it.

Axiom: Life in this universe is not a one-off occurrence.

Scenario:

Earth is gone. Complements of some natural occurrence, you name it, perhaps a rouge primordial black hole that happens to be passing through our solar system which then sends the earth into direct collision with Jupiter. Or perhaps there is a giga-solar flare which perturbs earth’s orbit sending it careening into the sun. Result? All that you and I and your pet salamander were, every cell and every DNA molecule, every atom that was on or in the earth is now ionized nuclear fuel within the sun. The Darwinian evolved chemistry and biology that many fall back upon to describe life, particularly human life, on earth has ceased to exist in this solar system along with its thermodynamically described, Gibbs-free energy processes once used to represent the entirety of earth life.

Additionally, imagine if you will that there is life elsewhere in this universe. Let us imagine there exists at least one other evolved ecosystem (ECO-2) capable of hosting Darwinian life. Different from earth but governed by the same laws of physics and biology and thermodynamic processes that manifested earth’s ecology. This planet orbiting a viable star may be located anywhere in this universe since the laws of physics are expected to be consistently applied throughout. Also for this anecdote let us say that this other bastion of life is some 10 billion light years from earth’s sun. A distance so vast it would take much longer than the age of the big-bang to relativistically travel that distance, assuming of course there were any classically defined remnants of one’s biology left to make the journey.

Like earth ECO-2 has been around for awhile and hosts its own set of Darwinian evolved biological forms likely different from anything that existed on earth. Also, for the comfort of some, let us assume one other unessential embellishment; let us say that ECO-2 also hosts intelligent forms of life (Yes with personalities). Different from human beings but similar to us in that they are sentient, self aware, intelligent, and have a handle on science and technology as did we. On second thought let us not assume intelligent life. There is only wild life in ECO-2. :0)

Regardless, the question becomes; could you or I or any individual formerly hosted by earths ecology ever find oneself a part of ECO-2’s ecology? Is the nature of life in this universe such that one could find oneself naturally born to ECO-2 in the form of a species indigenous (present or future) to ECO-2 just as we were born on earth to species indigenous to earth’s ecology? If one adheres to the classically understood, Gibbs-free energy etc. thermodynamically describable, relativistically constrained mechanisms to explain life writ large then you are forced to say no, (please correct me if not so), and in so doing you would necessarily ignore most of nature. Because in that view, clearly some aspect of what biologically, thermodynamically, chemically, defined ones singular existence must relativistically travel to bridge the unbridgeable distance between your last physical location, earth’s solar system, and ECO-2’s.



 
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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #1 on: 31/03/2015 13:57:31 »
The following is one plausible hypothesis for a natural mechanism that likely describes the way life populates this universe with living individuals; "The Instantiation Of Life By Natural Entanglement"

This topic presents, perhaps for the first time, a practical implementation for the natural processes that govern the instantiation of the individual as a being distinct from the evolution of that beings current species. It will introduce you to;

• Instantiation of the individual: The establishment of your Life.
• Your Position-Of-View (POV): That component of your being which resides in this universe.
• The Metaverse: The only real verse, and that from which the universe emerges.
• Your LifeID: That component of your being which resides outside of this universe, in the metaverse.
• The Quantum Entanglement Spectrum (QE): The Life Spectrum.
• Your Quantum Entanglement Frequency (QEF): The real and only immutable, you.
• The Cell: A biological QE circuit, the critical component in instantiating all life as we know it.
• The Entanglement Cells; Cells responsible for heterodyning the QEF in complex hosts and establishing the LifeID.
• Metamatter: An undiscovered but very real form of matter critical in instantiating and in the evolution of all life. Think dark matter without gravity.
• Entanglement Molecules; Molecules in every living cell which establish the QE connection with metamatter to create all life.


The hypothesis in summary: The most fundamental element of life is a molecule called, if you will, the Entanglement Molecule (EM). This molecule has the unique property of naturally establishing a quantum entanglement connection to a form of matter called metamatter, life-matter if you will. Think dark matter but expressing quantum entanglement (the life-force) in place of the force of gravitation. Metamatter like other natural entities exists outside of our space-time and is not subject to locality or relativistic constraints. Together these entanglement molecules and metamatter are the two endpoints of each isolated, naturally occurring quantum entanglement connection contained within every living cell that has ever existed. An entanglement molecule once arranged from its constituent atoms, not unlike the ferrite magnet in a transistor radio, is instantly sensitive to available, uninstantiated quantum entanglement frequencies (QEF) upon which to entangle available metamatter.


Such isolated pairings existed on Earth for eons, and in this universe, for even longer before the naturally occurring circumstances arose on Earth and perhaps elsewhere, to provide a ring of molecules that could be described as an early cell wall. Not all entanglement molecules were likely to encounter a cell wall but those that did, enclosed by this barrier, obtained the benefit of an extra level of protection that allowed them to develop beyond the typical. This basic entanglement relationship is the most fundamental manifestation of life. It establishes the position-of-view (POV to be discussed in this volume). Over time other types of molecules joined with these proto-cells sometimes to their mutual benefit sometimes not. Those that added no benefit or diminished the proto-cells survival prospects would not survive. The entanglement connection gave surviving proto-cells something very special. It gave the otherwise inanimate molecular components on the inside of this early cell a form of intra-cellular communication. That is, the ability to interact at a distance, but more critically at that point, the quantum entanglement connection gave the proto-cell the capacity to share or imprint internal cellular state information into its entangled metamatter. Metamatter because of its extra dimensional, non-locality and non-relativistic nature acts as a kind of cloud-storage accessible instantaneously from any location in this universe and in any other as well.


This universal cloud storage is the critical factor required to get evolution started and is what makes being possible anywhere in this universe. At that point evolution existed only via random environmental contact or interactions between proto-cells and other structures in the primordial environment of early Earth. Thus, the cell became nature’s biological entanglement circuit. Each such entanglement pairing constitutes an instantiation of life whether on Earth, in this universe, or anywhere in existence. Life could now be hosted by any viable formation of cell(s) that may emerge anywhere in existence. Ones instantiation is established at one specific quantum entanglement frequency (QEF), a narrow frequency band in the infinity of possibilities on the quantum entanglement spectrum. A quantum entanglement frequency that is unique in all existence to each life and to no other, but only while that QE connection persists. This yet to be determined property, perhaps frequency, on the quantum entanglement spectrum is the singular property in nature that defines each individual being. All other components of the instantiation process may change or be exchanged but it is the QEF that positions you as the central and only target of your instantiation, of your life, and not someone else’s. Change or retune ones QEF enough and you change the being, the individual. You are your quantum entanglement frequency. You are not your cells or your metamatter.


It is very likely that the QE spectrum predated even the big bang. Your QEF is the immutable, the indestructible you. When cells on any given planet around any given star anywhere in existence entangles metamatter at your QEF that is where you will instantiate. That is where you will be, a place like that is where you are right now. A place like that is where you are likely to have been many times before your current instantiation. Places like that are where you will inevitably reinstantiate many more times in your future. This is instantiation, this is life. You and I, and your pet otter, every insect, every cell and every organization of cells all life anywhere in existence instantiates by this mechanism. While each cell entangles at a unique QEF a few specialized cells in complex organisms called entanglement cells (EC) are able to heterodyne or combine their QEF to establish and entangle at a different unique QEF thus instantiating the emerged individual, you.


The composite quantum entanglement frequency together with the metamatter it entangles is called the lifeID. No memories or behavior of the host body is carried or transferred by the lifeID. In nature such properties are electromagnetic manifestations of the host species or vessel only. The closest cultural meme to the lifeID come via religions throughout human history having referred to this, using one word or another, as the soul. Once any quantum entanglement connection is terminated, by sufficiently disrupting the cellular component (inducing death of the host vessel), the previously entangled metamatter becomes available for entanglement by other cells. However this particular metamatter has been imprinted to some extent by its previous entanglement. Each generation of entanglement, each instantiation, each life, imprints information, from both the cell and QEF, to its entangled metamatter. The degree of this imprinting is yet to be determined. This time dependant, perishable imprinting of cellular state in metamatter becomes available to future cells that entangle this metamatter while simultaneously limiting its entanglement opportunities to cells of matching state. The passage of time decays the imprint left on metamatter causing a return to a state best described as stem-metamatter (to be discussed later in this volume). This transfer of cellular state information may impact cellular behavior and/or development and to the extent that this imprinted information manifests an advantage for the cell, may provide a survival benefit. This is the evolutionary mechanism used by early life that predated the development of the DNA/RNA molecules. With QE communication the proto-cell became the laboratory of evolutionary innovation we see today from which emerged a great many useful cellular structures and processes, but most pivotally, a clear benefit to augment the cloud storage mechanism of metamatter with a more local, more expandable and flexible information storage mechanism which became RNA and eventually DNA. This was the birth of the modern living cell. Much is yet to be learned but the implications of this process are vast and pervasive.


Implications of the hypothesis; The degree to which metamatter imprints on its host cell and unique QEF will determine after deinstantiation (death) the likelihood that your imprinted metamatter will, for a time, reject entanglement opportunities from dissimilar host cells (of even your same or similar species) in favor of entanglement with cells that contain your familial DNA which are more compatible with its imprinting, thereby increasing the probability of reinstantiating you in your former family line or if less finely imprinted, to any random line in your previous species, or if less finely tuned still, to another species entirely. Also when we discover the entanglement molecule in nature and in the cell, just as we eventually discovered the DNA molecule in the cell decades after Darwin presented his theory of evolution by natural selection, likewise this may allow us to develop technologies capable of detecting and tracking each individuals unique QEF in this life or across multiple instantiations. This alone will change the world, at the very least it will change the way we write our wills. As for practical implementations, discovering and using metamatter could change everything. Metamatter satellites would be very different yet similar to regular orbital satellites even though they will reside outside of our space-time they'll permit instantaneous communication with any point in the cosmos. This will forever alter the human relationship not just to each other, but to all living creatures biological or otherwise. Also for the first time in human history we could begin to take practical actions in life that would affect our reinstantiation prospects into our next life, thereby tailoring your next instantiation ahead of time, minus the mysticism and ideology.
 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #2 on: 01/04/2015 19:20:34 »
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could you or I or any individual formerly hosted by earths ecology ever find oneself a part of ECO-2’s ecology? Is the nature of life in this universe such that one could find oneself naturally born to ECO-2 in the form of a species indigenous (present or future) to ECO-2 just as we were born on earth to species indigenous to earth’s ecology?

It all depends on what you mean by the question!

If you mean "could I be born or wake up spontaneously on another planet and know that I was once on earth" the answer is probably not, since we have very little evidence if any of the survival of memory after death. There are a few moderately strong anecdotes of reincarnation but always in another human body, and AFAIK all from within a culture that holds reincarnation as axiomatic anyway.

If you are talking more generally to include the possibility of an entirely alien species having analogous senses and intellectual properties to ourselves, the answer is almost certainly yes.

Before delving into your later hypotheses, you might care to define "life" for the purpose of this argument. As far as I can see, in terms of the cosmos a selfreplicating molecule is a pretty trivial bit of chemistry that could occur anywhere that water exists as a liquid (it's the hydrogen bond that does it!), and no new hypotheses are required.
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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #3 on: 03/04/2015 13:54:15 »
Thanks for the inquiry…

The association of ones being with ones form is a powerful and deeply ingrained aspect of our identity that will pose the greatest barrier to human understanding of the true nature of our circumstances. Also, nature does not cater to human sensibilities. We may count on the fact that natures implementation of life in this universe is a process based on natural laws of cause and effect. Therefore, a steely objectivity on our part is required to discover the reality of it.

As I stated: “...naturally born to ECO-2 in the form of a species indigenous (present or future) to ECO-2 just as we were born on earth to species indigenous to earth’s ecology...”

We were not born here on Earth with neural memories of activities that may have occurred before life on earth, likewise on ECO-2. In fact, for you or I, Earth may be ECO-2, or for all we know eco-ten million.

Evolution and biology has always described life without having to define life. However, the instantiation hypothesis uniquely suggests that life is in fact individuality. We confuse biology, as we know it, with the individual as we currently have no examples to the contrary (i.e. a non-biological individual). In nature each individual life is one current instance of some uniquely quantifiable property of nature. Whatever natural mechanism locates and instantiates the individual operates similarly upon all life throughout this universe. Therefore in nature every cell is as alive as any otter, mosquito, human, or sperm whale. After all, the living cell is in fact the only life on Earth. By this definition emergent properties of the host such as neural memories, and personality, and behavior, consciousness, intelligence etc., are in nature all irrelevant to lifes’ implementation and also irrelevant to individuality and being.

In nature individuality and life in any form is the establishment within this universe of a position-of-view (POV). The POV is an instance of the individual. The POV determines ones physical placement in this space-time. You are currently instantiated to your host (body) which happens to be on this planet but could obviously be in any other viable ecosystem in this universe. Instantiation is a natural mechanism that can eventually be measured and quantified. Ones POV is a unique singleton solution of state via the natural quantum entanglement established between two entities; the predicted naturally occurring entanglement molecule (EM) within every viable host (i.e. the living cell) with metamatter, a yet to be discovered form of non-relativistic matter which must exist in Hilbert-space. Metamatter is as necessary to life as dark-matter is to galaxy formation.

Metamatter is entangled to every living cell at a unique value of some property (i.e. frequency) of the entanglement spectrum (QEF). This QE tuning, if you will, is what implements each being in this universe or perhaps in any other. Your composite QEF, heterodyned by your entanglement cells, is the immutable you, a natural phenomena which likely predated even the big bang. You are not your body you are your quantum entanglement frequency. Any viable host anywhere, evolved or otherwise, that naturally entangles metamatter at your QEF will establish your position-of-view, your presence, your target if you will. That individual will be you every bit as you are you at this moment, sensory capabilities or lack thereof notwithstanding.

Why is this necessary? As outlined in the main post, no classical, Higgs constrained biological implementation or chemistry or thermodynamic process could account for the mobility of individuality (you) throughout this vast universe. Many therefore default to the idea that there is no natural mobility of the individual; ergo individuality is a one-off phenomenon. This is a scientifically and logically inconsistent position. Humankinds’ current confusion of individuality (being) with form (species) has led us to confuse the biology and chemistry of our form with our individuality. Individuality is our placement in space-time. The mechanism outlined in the instantiation hypothesis describes a species independent, form agnostic (i.e. biological vs. non-biological) scientifically plausible mechanism able to describe each instance of individuality, its reinstantiation and its placement within this space-time. This naturally implemented mechanism describes not only multi-cellular instantiation but necessarily that of every cell on this planet composing any multi-cellular host and also any non-biological form of life that we may encounter.     
 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #4 on: 03/04/2015 15:01:33 »

Why is this necessary? As outlined in the main post, no classical, Higgs constrained biological implementation or chemistry or thermodynamic process could account for the mobility of individuality (you) throughout this vast universe.


On the contrary. You haven't proved or demonstrated the existence of "mobility of individuality" at any level, let alone throughout the universe. Science begins with an observation;  philosophy, politics and religion begin with an assertion, which is why they are demeaning to the intellect and unworthy of discussion in this forum.

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.....individuality is a one-off phenomenon. This is a scientifically and logically inconsistent position.

No, it's a tautology!

As for the population of the universe with living things, it appears to be a rare but entirely inevitable consequence of carbon chemistry, and potentially other chemical processes such as selfreplicating silicone chains. Ther doesn't appear to be a need for any undiscovered forces or unknown properties.
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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #5 on: 03/04/2015 23:46:29 »
Axiom: A proposition that is assumed without proof for the sake of studying the consequences that follows from it.

The instantiation of life hypothesis is a plausible hypothesis for the axiom; Individuality exists and it is naturally mobile in this universe.

I don’t believe that proof of individuality needs to be presented since two individuals are at this moment having this conversation. Unless you are actually a rather convincing computer program, in which case there maybe only one individual having this conversation. Also, given the current state of scientific understanding the only exhibit of evidence for individuality that can be offered to you, is you. So it falls upon each of us to decide if oneself is an individual or not. Further, each instance of life, to any other instance of life, is only an extrapolation or an assumption of individuality currently based upon appearance and behavior. The affirmation of ones own individuality, at least for most reasonable minded individuals can be accounted for. If we agree to the axiom that you and perhaps I as well as every other discernibly living entity is an individual instance of life then this conversation as challenging as it may be toward strongly held beliefs or ideologies, may proceed.

Not everyone can entertain a new, and different and rather invasive existential concept when it is first introduced. In 1859 not many could give the idea of evolution by natural selection, for example, a fair thought particularly not in public. However in 2015, I would like to think we have progressed a bit since then. I will proceed on the assumption that we have. I realize the concept of instantiation of life sounds very familiar, as it should. The historical nature of human understanding has never emerged from a lack of intellect but from a deficit of information. So it should come as no great surprise if our ancestor’s beliefs may not have been completely wrong and science today may not be completely right. Scientific information has never been handed down to us from some superior source, it is and always has been people willing to reinterpret “evidence” many had seen before but seen much differently.

The justification for due consideration of the mobility of individuality is clear. Either one assumes there is no such thing as individuality, one may then elect to opt out of this thread. Or one assumes that you, and possibly all apparently living entities are individualized instances of life, but whose first-person existence is defined exclusively by ones classically described biology and will therefore empirically cease to exist for eternity, both prior and future, along with that form. This perspective violates many fundamental scientific and logical principles.  Or you are at least open to consider the possibility that nature is sufficiently deep, varied and functional to not only originate instances of individual beings in any viable form but also allows for the placement and reinstantiation of any individual in space-time in a form and species agnostic implementation of natural law. Of course each of these perspectives are as much an unsubstantiated view as is the other. If one doesn't see that then you may be hopelessly religious or ideological.  Nonetheless, as persons of science the possibility that some or any of what the instantiation hypothesis suggests must be on some level tantalizing.
 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #6 on: 04/04/2015 08:14:23 »
Surely individuality and universality are antonymous?

You have proposed several axioms from which you have derived a consequence that you can't substantiate with evidence, and indeed seems selfcontradictory. That's religion, not science.
 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #7 on: 05/04/2015 23:27:25 »
Tony, this should be in New Theories. Much of it seems to be a re posting of an earlier post of yours.
You do not seem to be inviting comments on the title question!

Please offer any scientifically accepted, or even plausible, concepts that may addresses this very realistic scenario:
That would be difficult as the scenarios and conclusions do not have a clear scientific basis and contain logical inconsistencies.

Axiom is a proposition that is assumed without proof for the sake of studying the consequences that follows from it.

Axiom: Life in this universe is not a one-off occurrence.

The scenario and conclusion you offer are not consequential on your axiom.

If one adheres to the classically understood, Gibbs-free energy etc. thermodynamically describable, relativistically constrained mechanisms to explain life writ large then you are forced to say no, (please correct me if not so), and in so doing you would necessarily ignore most of nature.
This makes assumptions about the beliefs of the reader and contains illogical conclusions

Because in that view, clearly some aspect of what biologically, thermodynamically, chemically, defined ones singular existence must relativistically travel to bridge the unbridgeable distance between your last physical location, earth’s solar system, and ECO-2’s.
Your conclusion does not follow from any information you have presented. The statement "....must relativistically travel......" is illogical.

The following is one plausible hypothesis for a natural mechanism that likely describes the way life populates this universe with living individuals; "The Instantiation Of Life By Natural Entanglement"

This is not a plausible hypothesis based on evidence. You use terms which have specific meanings on a science forum, but your use of these terms does not provide a coherent argument.
You make a number of statements which you cannot justify eg the existence of a Metamatter, entanglement molecule, "Such isolated pairings existed on Earth for eons, and in this universe" These weaken, rather than strengthen, your proposition.

This is more appropriate to a religious or philosophical forum than a science one.

 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #8 on: 07/04/2015 17:04:17 »
This thread is based on a post that solicits ideas for a very real natural question that is not historically considered by science but which I suggest can, and should, and eventually must be. I have offered one scientifically plausible idea on this topic in the form of a hypothesis, and I clearly welcome all others. I expect that most ideas will take the form of a well considered hypothesis as well, or the form of some rational as to why the various proposed ideas may be implausible. Certainly some will feel the question itself shouldn't be addressed but that should be taken as one of many opinions. The scenario regarding the instantiation of the individual in this universe is clearly a realistic one and the implications only seem philosophical because most may have never before considered them from the viewpoint of a practical implementation of natural law. Akin to asking prior to 1859; how might species be implemented in nature? This is exactly what I am encouraging to be asked of the individual, you. Clearly if the various ideas were proven they would not be plausible hypothesis.

“This is not a plausible hypothesis based on evidence.”
The evidence that this tread speaks to is the possibility that each of the trillions of life forms in Earths ecosystem are each recurring instances of individual life. If so what is its natural implementation, if not so then explain empirically why not.


"Such isolated pairings existed on Earth for eons, and in this universe, for even longer"
Please clarify your issue with this: It suggests the proposed entanglement molecule was likely around even before the Earth formed. Also the instantiation hypothesis predicts the existence of certain entities as all good hypothesis may. These permit the idea to eventually be tested.


 "The statement "....must relativistically travel......" is illogical."
Relativistic travel describes the movement in space-time of Higgs affected entities as outlined by the theories of relativity. The point is that all classically defined facets of one’s biology currently thought to describe the individual (DNA/RNA etc.), will become non-existent in the scenario, or if not, they will be constrained to travel well below the speed of light, therefore could not act as the natural distributive mechanism to implement a new instance of the individual to other distant life hosting ecosystems. This does not only refer to the distribution of species from ones former ecosystem but rather how nature establishes a new instance of the individual, you, hosted by available indigenous species elsewhere independent of distance and time to destination, ergo the non-relativistic instantiation of individualized life in this space-time. 

"The scenario and conclusion you offer are not consequential on your axiom."
Please clarify your opinion on this item.
 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #9 on: 07/04/2015 19:02:50 »
You are up against a major problem here: Occam's Razor.

There being no apparent need or evidence for an "entanglement molecule", and it being apparent that life is a consequence of the properties of carbon compounds and the hydrogen bond, you are starting from an unnecessary premise.

The labile nature of DNA pretty much guarantees evolution - it is most unlikely that any daughter cell will be an exact copy of its parents, and those that are significantly different but viable will define a new or evolving entity.

It is true that we don't know exactly how or when anything we would describe as living first appeared on this planet, or whether anything similar has happened elsewhere. But the question is no more important than what time the previous bus left, or whether they have buses in Ulan Bator: the important fact is that we are on a bus in London and we have every reason to expect that the service will continue, even though this bus looks quite different from those that ran a hundred years ago.
 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #10 on: 13/04/2015 17:10:54 »
As reading the summary of the Instantiation hypothesis would reveal, no aspect of the modern scientific understanding of biology or its chemical properties is being challenged. The challenge being posed is to the misconception that in nature species (biology) is the individual. The cell and the verifiable aspects of its biological evolution are as science currently describes them. The instantiation hypothesis begins where the modern scientific narrative admittedly, voluntarily abstains and traditionally religions are permitted to fill what is arguably the most important of all voids, and likely the only void any living being may actually care most about. That is, the natural mechanisms governing the instantiation of life. It is for this reason that humankind has fought and prayed for a time far longer than science itself has existed. It is much overdue for the narrative to be extended not by mysticism or ideological entrenchment but by well reasoned, steely objective thought followed by measurement, because clearly not just some, but all of nature is ultimately science.


The instantiation hypothesis suggests that each life is an instance of a specific individual. Also, the natural process that instantiates an individual to that host (i.e. species) is independent of the specific biology, chemistry (i.e. carbon, silicon etc.) or technological principles upon which such forms may be evolved, implemented or depend for function or for its local evolution. Therefore, any individual may instantiate (live) in any viable form in any viable environment in this universe. Ergo Earth is not special.


1-   Individual life (you) is species independent.
2-   The natural process that places you or any living being in the life they currently live is not dependent upon any particular chemistry, biology, species or form, evolved or otherwise. Just as for example, memory, or intelligence does not depend upon any particular brand or type of technology for its implementation.  That is to say, memory is abstracted from its implementation. So to in nature is the individual life abstracted from any specific implementation of its host form, or species.
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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #11 on: 14/04/2015 11:24:50 »


1-   Individual life (you) is species independent.

Life is a phenomenon. Species is a construct. Why make it more complicated (unless you are a priest or  philosopher, in which case your living depends on making the obvious complicated)?
 
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2-   The natural process that places you or any living being in the life they currently live is not dependent upon any particular chemistry, biology, species or form, evolved or otherwise.
Crap! Living things have a very narrow tolerance of physics and chemistry. I can't live in a deep ocean fumarole, and the shrimps and worms that live there won't last long in England, never mind the Arctic.
 
 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #12 on: 14/04/2015 11:29:32 »
I would say, yes. But I am also qualifying that with "life like us". If there is life just like us...either we are the progenitors...or they are. But since we do have a demonstrable record of evolutionary hominids...I'd say Earth is "home"...and any other life similar to us...is from here, originally. This presents a lot of ethics to sort out....
 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #13 on: 15/04/2015 23:53:50 »
Some responses to this topic reveal just how erroneously entrenched with our physical form is our sense of individual being. Once again our eyes deceive us.
The instantiation hypothesis describes; In nature any individual, may naturally entangle any available host species wherever such viable hosts for life may emerge. Ignoring for one moment humankinds’ classifications of species, every living being like yourself is yet another individual, albeit in a form different from your own, however significant or insignificant that difference may be. The irrevocable extinction of viable forms in nature implies that individual life is not dependent upon any particular form to instantiate, to live.

So too will be the case when ones current host dissipates. Natures’ implementation of life does not require, or depend upon, nor is it defined by earths’ chemistry or biology, whether unique or common in this universe. The instantiation hypothesis predicts that one can be certain that life may be otherwise implemented by the host agnostic process of natural entanglement. Reinstantiation of the individual mandates that your unique entanglement frequency will inevitably, naturally entangle again as it has before, allowing you to live in any viable form available. Classically speaking, ones parents are only the parents of your form, your host body. Likewise species indigenous to some other ecosystem on some other planet orbiting some other star in this universe may play host to you. Hosts perhaps based on entirely different chemistry, even ones we may today be reluctant to recognize as biology, but which will serve in a similar capacity to entangle your QEF and thereby host a singleton instance of your life. You will be in that life every bit as alive and as committed to that being as you are to this one, at this moment, sensory capabilities notwithstanding.

Clearly distances vast as they are prone to be between emerged ecosystems in this universe would pose an existential obstacle to reinstantiation of the individual for any classically understood components of biology and chemistry; however, natural entanglement describes a process that is naturally superfluous to such limitations. Such is the metaphorical genius of nature. Hence, the process continues as it has, however significant the differences may be between your current form and your next, however significant the distance between ones’ current placement in this space-time and other indigenous emerged ecosystems in this universe.

To itemize the concepts being proposed;

1-   In nature, whatever the design of ones' current host, you are not present solely as a result of it or its biology, technology or its chemistry.
2-   Ones’ being ones’ individuality is in fact a position-of-view (POV) which is independent of ones’ form.
3-   A POV is a naturally occurring solution of state established between this space-time and Hilbert-space, a space from which this universe emerges.
4-   The hypothesized entanglement molecules (EM) exist entirely within this universes’ space-time while metamatter exists entirely within Hilbert-space.
5-   The POV is the result of the naturally occurring sharing of state called natural quantum entanglement (QE) which temporarily exists between these two entities.
6-   At some point in earth’s history these naturally occurring entanglement molecules joined with other structures to form the proto-cell, the progenitor to the modern cell.
7-   This temporary QE connection between these two very different entities is established at some unique property or aspect of the entanglement spectrum perhaps frequency (QEF) at some value or finite band that is unique to each individual.
8-   While this QE connection persists, the individual cell lives.
9-   Every living cell maintains its own natural entanglement connection to Hilbert-space via its EM contained within the cell.
10-   In multi-cellular hosts, like beavers and human beings, the emerged individuals’ QE connection is maintained by specialized cells called entanglement cells which combine their individual unique QEF to establish a new entanglement with metamatter in Hilbert-space unique to the emerged individual, you.
11-   While ones’ heterodyned QE connection persists, you live.
12-   The POV brings no experience or memories, but only that which may have an experience. Ones’ target for experience if you will.
13-   The POV mathematically speaking is effectively a unique solution of state for the quantum state functions (Hamiltonians) of the surrounding environment.
14-   Ones’ POV solution effectively collapses the surrounding environments quantum state to render the reality that the individual may experience with whatever senses are afforded to them by their current physical form. Whether one instantiates in the form of a single cell or a millipede, a sperm-whale or a human being.
15-   Every individual life in this universe instantiates and reinstantiates by this mechanism.
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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #14 on: 16/04/2015 00:10:22 »
A fundamental distinction between science and poetry is in the poet's concretisation or reification of an abstract quality. Life is a quality possessed by objects, not an object in itself. There is no evidence that life has any qualities or capabilities since it has no actual existence, nor is such existence necessary to explain any observed phenomenon.
 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #15 on: 16/04/2015 14:33:55 »
Testable Element(s) of the Hypothesis:

One initial approach would be to seek evidence for, or against some fundamental aspect of the working hypothesis: Test for the existence, or lack thereof, of the proposed entanglement cells (EC) that establish and maintain life via the QE connection in complex hosts: Termination of the host's EC's and no other cells, should result in the termination of the subject.

Premise: Can death be induced without damage? Can an otherwise healthy living subject be terminated with empirically no physical damage contributable to the subject’s termination, Barring any limitations of technical proficiency or of equipment in analyzing and identifying the root cause of the subject’s death.

Axiom: There exists some absolute minimum number of cells that may be terminated in any complex organism whereby such cells may be scientifically established to be the root and only cause of death of the subject organism with no pre-mortem adverse effects to other cells in the subject. Cells that meet these criteria are candidates for the theorized entanglement cells and the collection has a high probability of including some or all of the subject’s proposed entanglement cells.

Practical Test: Perform controlled experiments using approved subjects, i.e. fruit flies, to terminate the minimal number of cells per specimen to conclusively induce death of the test subject. Carefully repeat and document the number and location of target cells per subject for each scientifically substantiated successful sample. Repeatability per species is mandatory as the specifics may vary from species to species or subject to subject. In qualifying samples the cells that are the root cause of death must be gradually minimized and physically isolated. Cellular damage must be limited to only the target cells for a duration beginning at the time of the target cells death up to and including the time of confirmed subject death. In other words, for a successful trial no cells in the subject other than the target cells may be adversely physically affected pre-mortem.
 
 

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« Reply #16 on: 24/04/2015 20:22:50 »
The classical ideas of thermodynamic entropy although essential in many practical technological applications, cease to exist at and below the atomic level. So attempting to describe the existence of life in these terms requires some implausible assumptions. Firstly one must accept that in nature individual life (you) is only defined at the cellular level where DNA is functionally implemented. In other words one must believe that nature does not have a mechanism or basis for distinguishing individual life once that individuals DNA has dissipated. This suggests that you and I and all instances of life begin and end with ones cellular DNA. This is logically and empirically inconsistent.

There are examples of living individuals with identical DNA, twins who are clearly not the same individual even when they are physically connected as are Siamese twins. More pointedly however, If any one or all of your trillions of cells were responsible for uniquely defining and distinguishing you from any other living being then separating even a single cell from your holistic body would cause you to lose your current identity (become someone else) or else terminate you as a living individual. However since all life in our ecosystem loses, replaces, transforms and exchanges our entire body mass daily over the course of a few short years, this also invalidates this belief.

Thirdly, this untenable notion violates the principle of re-occurrence of natural phenomena which states that for any natural phenomena to occur there must exist natural mechanisms which by their existence will also permit that phenomena to reoccur given appropriate circumstance. In other words whatever caused the big-bang can cause other big-bangs. Whatever causes nova and super-nova can cause other instances of both. Whatever caused and permits life here can and probably has caused life elsewhere. Further, whatever caused you can cause you again. The universal basis for this postulate of consistency in the laws of nature is the observed consistency of the fine structure constant in this universe.

Any individual life that can occur can reoccur. This last point mandates that you do not end with your DNA/RNA or with your thermodynamic, entropic biology. That nature must indeed have mechanisms known or unknown which serves to define or instantiate you from all other existing or possible instances of life, and such a mechanism must be an essentially immutable and reoccurring property of either this universe or of nature. This feature necessarily exists below the cellular and molecular level into the quantum realm.
 
 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #17 on: 25/04/2015 00:43:29 »
In other words whatever caused the big-bang can cause other big-bangs.

Not if the laws of physics were determined by the big bang itself.

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That nature must indeed have mechanisms known or unknown which serves to define or instantiate you from all other existing or possible instances of life, and such a mechanism must be an essentially immutable and reoccurring property of either this universe or of nature.


Tell that to a clone - either a human twin or a potato will do.
 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #18 on: 27/04/2015 21:59:50 »
Posted by: alancalverd
« on: 25/04/2015 00:43:29 »
"Tell that to a clone - either a human twin or a potato will do."


The point of these ideas is precisely that most of the properties of the host forms (i.e. potatoes or twins) such as; clone or not-clone, single-cellular or multi-cellular, evolved or not, biological or technological are inconsequential features to the instantiation of individual life in this universe.

Each living being is hypothesized to be an available viable host (of one or more cells like you or me or a potato or a single cell) that is naturally entangled at a specific property (QEF) of the entanglement spectrum with metamatter in Hilbert-space. Any host that evolves or is manufactured anywhere in this universe which properly implements natural entanglement will be a living being.

Each cell in your potato and also in any living entity does this. However, not all multi-cellular hosts evolve entanglement cells responsible for heterodyning their own QEF to establish a unique lifeID and position-of-view (POV). So a potato may have no lifeID or accompanying POV. Although determining which living entities do and which do not possess these features requires more advanced understanding and detection technologies based on these principles.
 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #19 on: 27/04/2015 23:53:52 »
So, as this is a science forum, make a prediction based on your hypothesis and tell us how to test it.
 

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« Reply #20 on: 28/04/2015 02:59:27 »
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« Reply #21 on: 28/04/2015 07:32:38 »
So, as this is a science forum, make a prediction based on your hypothesis and tell us how to test it.
Now that you mention it, I've never seen anybody do anything like that.
 

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Re: Is life in this Universe a one-off occurrence?
« Reply #22 on: 28/04/2015 14:44:55 »
So, as this is a science forum, make a prediction based on your hypothesis and tell us how to test it.
Now that you mention it, I've never seen anybody do anything like that.

Me neither, there are a number of threads in New Theories where proof, or further detail (non word spaghetti detail that is) is avoided.

Even the test suggested by the OP won't provide proof of entanglement, just that killing some cells will kill you!
 

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« Reply #23 on: 29/04/2015 22:46:26 »
The proposed test depends on the ability to "terminate" cells without damaging them. I rather think this deserves a little amplification - what on earth does "terminate without damage" mean, what would you use to do it, and how would you know you had done it?
 

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« Reply #24 on: 05/05/2015 14:03:26 »

I believe you misunderstood the description. The endeavor is to identify and locate the subjects’ hypothesized entanglement cells  via a systematic decremental process of targeted termination of candidate cells within the test subject (i.e. fruit flies),  and thereby to finally terminate a healthy subject by destroying only the subjects’ entanglement cells, while inflicting no damage to the hosts’ non-EC cells, ergo death without damage.

Today all death known to modern science is eventually forensically caused by cellular damage to structures singularly or collectively vital to the host form. Such damage can invariably be determined to sufficiently disrupt conditions required for proper host function thereby resulting in the termination of the emerged individual, death. The instantiation hypothesis describes death as the disentanglement between ones entanglement cells (EC) with metamatter. This results in the loss of the individual’s position-of-view (POV). Today we see only the physical symptoms of the damage to the host and we quite adequately associate these conditions with the termination of the individual. This is fine for all that we currently do. However this is not the complete description of life in this universe.

If indeed it is the sole function of the hosts’ EC to maintain life of the emerged individual and if it falls upon all other cells of the host only to maintain the environmental, internal and or external conditions for the individual’s continued function then a few interesting insights may be posed.

1-   Theoretically, terminating only an individual’s EC cells while leaving non-EC cells unaffected will result in the termination of the emerged individual while producing no damage to any system of the host, ergo death without damage.
2-   Further, effectively transplanting an individual’s EC to another viable host will result in a successful exchange of an individual’s host form.
3-   Identifying and isolating the EC will certainly aid in the identification of the hypothesized entanglement molecules.
4-   Studying the entanglement molecule could lead to untold developments and technologies.

Some creatures on earth are evolved to terminate even healthy cells once other vital cells undergo necrosis, this is usually done by the release of a chemical death signal that moves through the rest of the healthy portions of the host and cause them to terminate. For creatures that do not possess this self-destruct feature, once the emerged being dies healthy or undamaged cells of the host may continue to live on. These occurrences suggest that the emerged individual is only linked to its other, non-EC, cells of the host by a dependency or reliance upon them to maintain vital conditions for continued life. Conditions such as the need for energy, and temperature and pressure and vital chemicals that may be required by the systems of the host form for continued function. Therefore, the function of every host for life is singularly dedicated to maintaining the internal and perhaps also the external environment for continued entanglement by the hosts EC thus maintaining the individuals POV.  The POV being the composite QEF established and maintained by those same EC.
 

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